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Meh, I'd be wary of exaggerating Macron's rhetoric. Here's the usual "but now is not the moment" disclaimer.

PARIS (AP) — French President Emmanuel Macron reiterated Thursday his position that sending Western troops into Ukraine should not be ruled out, but said that today’s situation doesn’t require that.

“We’re not in that situation today,” he said, but added that “all these options are possible.”
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https://apnews.com/article/france-macron-ukraine-troops-caa788d2455dafb06dd87f79c4afe06f
 
VorZakone said:
Meh, I'd be wary of exaggerating Macron's rhetoric. Here's the usual "but now is not the moment" disclaimer.


https://apnews.com/article/france-macron-ukraine-troops-caa788d2455dafb06dd87f79c4afe06f
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I agree, nobody should expect to see European troops in Ukraine anytime soon, it ain't happening. It is still an important change in rhetoric though and shows at least one EU leader is taking the situation as seriously as it should be, hopefully that influence spreads.
 
Rajma said:
Finally we have a proper coalition in Europe (France/UK/Poland/Czech/ Romania/Nordics/Baltics).
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If that carries on, it would be the largest pan-European coalition to make a stand against one single enemy since the Seventh Coalition fought against Napoleon in 1815.
 
Simbo said:
I agree, nobody should expect to see European troops in Ukraine anytime soon, it ain't happening. It is still an important change in rhetoric though and shows at least one EU leader is taking the situation as seriously as it should be, hopefully that influence spreads.
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France could spread the rhetoric sending more arms to Ukraine at the same level as Germany or UK. They are far behind compared to the other 2 strongest economies in Europe
 
4bars said:
France could spread the rhetoric sending more arms to Ukraine at the same level as Germany or UK. They are far behind compared to the other 2 strongest economies in Europe
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Yeah, one would hope that's what it leads to.
 
Rajma said:
France and Macron going nuclear (literally) right now, finally the penny dropped. Hopefully, we can steer Germany to the good side of the history as well.
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Doubt Germany will follow route. Scholz is a spineless coward.

Anyway this change in rhetoric comes 2 years and a few months too late.

The moment Russia invaded Ukraine it was too late.
The West should have made clear to Putin, if he invades Ukraine, the West will immediately establish a non flight zone and nothing is off limits.
Instead Biden and other Western leaders made public statements saying there won't be any NATO soldiers involved in the war. This was like a free pass to Putin to go forward with the invasion.
 
Real Name said:
Should I check the state of my building's atomic shelter?
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After yesterday’s Macron’s performance I would say that risk has greatly diminished. The only way anyone uses nuclear is when you know that you can get away with it.
 
Raoul said:
Not sure what's going on. There appears to be a Twitter campaign about French troops going to Romania for eventual use in Odesa.
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Quite liking that response, its a bit dumb, but dumb questions should always be met in kind.
 
I fear this spring summer we might see a russian offensive more than the other way around
 
4bars said:
I fear this spring summer we might see a russian offensive more than the other way around
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That's the expectation, yes. Many articles suggest that 2024 will be a rebuilding year for Ukraine so that they can launch a new offensive in 2025.
 
Not entirely sure on the implications here. If there's a spill, the insurance company won't pay? So who will pay for the environmental cleanup?

 
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Sure, try to run over a trench with a tank. I have a lot of success myself doing that while I'm playing Enlisted or War Thunder... not.
 
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Sure, try to run over a trench with a tank. I have a lot of success myself doing that while I'm playing Enlisted or War Thunder... not.
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This could've gone terribly wrong for the Ukrainians in the trench if the whoever was firing towards the Russians mistook the already entrenched Ukrainians for the enemy.
 
Raoul said:
This could've gone terribly wrong for the Ukrainians in the trench if the whoever was firing towards the Russians mistook the already entrenched Ukrainians for the enemy.
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You'd assume they were on the blower to the artillery/ drone guys and it's not just chance as to where they were firing.
 
Simbo said:


Moscow airport also been hit with multiple drones this morning.
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Great stuff, hit them where it hurts. Price of fuel will be crazy in Russia if they kept taking these out you'd imagine.
 
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I'm baffled as to why the Ukrainians haven't just walked into Transnistria and routed the Russians, who mostly have a police presence there. They could give it back to the Moldovans and eliminate the possibility of a potential western staging point for the Russians to attack Odesa at a later date.
 
Raoul said:
I'm baffled as to why the Ukrainians haven't just walked into Transnistria and routed the Russians, who mostly have a police presence there. They could give it back to the Moldovans and eliminate the possibility of a potential western staging point for the Russians to attack Odesa at a later date.
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I don't think that would fly. Even if Moldova formally asks for it, I'm not sure it's a priority for Ukraine and possibly the West wouldn't accept it either.
 
VorZakone said:
I don't think that would fly. Even if Moldova formally asks for it, I'm not sure it's a priority for Ukraine and possibly the West wouldn't accept it either.
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The west wouldn't have a say in the matter. The Ukrainians would simply be taking out a potential staging point for an attack on them from an area that doesn't belong to Russia in the first place.
 
Raoul said:
The west wouldn't have a say in the matter. The Ukrainians would simply be taking out a potential staging point for an attack on them from an area that doesn't belong to Russia in the first place.
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Ukraine would have to explain itself to the international community for why they conduct an offensive military operation into Transnistria. I doubt they want that diplomatic heat.

Regardless of Transnistria's legal status, I don't think the Ukrainians are interested in it as long as Russia doesn't stage an attack out of Transnistria.
 
Raoul said:
The west wouldn't have a say in the matter. The Ukrainians would simply be taking out a potential staging point for an attack on them from an area that doesn't belong to Russia in the first place.
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This kind of rhetoric makes much more sense in the world where Ukraine is undertaking an independent war effort.

In the world where their war effort is funded in large part by western powers, the west does kind of have a say.
 
VorZakone said:
Ukraine would have to explain itself to the international community for why they conduct an offensive military operation into Transnistria. I doubt they want that diplomatic heat.

Regardless of Transnistria's legal status, I don't think the Ukrainians are interested in it as long as Russia doesn't stage an attack out of Transnistria.
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Transnistria belongs to Moldova, so unless they object to booting the Russians out and returning their land to Moldovan control, there wouldn't be any explaining to do, especially since Moldova isn't in NATO. Transnistria isn't some benign territory that can't be used against the Ukrainians in the future and removing it from under Putin's thumb would inflict a cost on the Russians.
 
Raoul said:
Transnistria belongs to Moldova, so unless they object to booting the Russians out and returning their land to Moldovan control, there wouldn't be any explaining to do, especially since Moldova isn't in NATO. Transnistria isn't some benign territory that can't be used against the Ukrainians in the future and removing it from under Putin's thumb would inflict a cost on the Russians.
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And when that happens, Ukraine would be well placed to remove the threat from Transnistria. They'd probably see it coming anyway, with support of Western intel agencies.

But as of this moment, my guess is it's just not a priority.
 
Raoul said:
Transnistria belongs to Moldova, so unless they object to booting the Russians out and returning their land to Moldovan control, there wouldn't be any explaining to do, especially since Moldova isn't in NATO. Transnistria isn't some benign territory that can't be used against the Ukrainians in the future and removing it from under Putin's thumb would inflict a cost on the Russians.
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Moldova doesn't want war on it's territory, which Transnistria is. And so far Ukraine respected that.
 
Raoul said:
I'm baffled as to why the Ukrainians haven't just walked into Transnistria and routed the Russians, who mostly have a police presence there. They could give it back to the Moldovans and eliminate the possibility of a potential western staging point for the Russians to attack Odesa at a later date.
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Jesus Christ.
 
stefan92 said:
Moldova doesn't want war on it's territory, which Transnistria is. And so far Ukraine respected that.
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That makes more sense. I can imagine the Moldovans don't want to take a chance on the fighting spreading into actual Moldovan territory beyond Transnistria.
 
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