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Exactly what I had in mind last night. There is no way to spin it after Hamas accepted a deal which the US, UN, and mediators all agree to.

but they didn’t, the deal they agreed to was put forward by Egypt without the agreement of anyone else
 
https://x.com/MosabAbuToha/status/1787833168025784356

"Breaking breaking breaking: The army expels all patients and doctors and nurses from Al-Najjar Hospital in Rafah, leaving thousands of injured and to-be injured, as well as sick families, in mortal danger. You will not see these photos of breaking news in CNN or BBC or any news channels".

Don't understand why X is flagging this tweet.
 
but they didn’t, the deal they agreed to was put forward by Egypt without the agreement of anyone else
No it wasn’t. It’s been ratified by Qatar, Egypt, the UN and the US.
 
William Burns was in Cairo during the negotiations. Does anyone really believe Egypt would make a proposal on its own and just deliver it to Hamas?
 
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So Hamas claim it's backed by those parties. I would wait until there is confirmation.

If US/UN come out and say it's backed by them then it shows how fecking disconnected everything is.

US negotiating on behalf of Israel without Israel agreeing to what they were negotiating is pretty mental.
 
So Hamas claim it's backed by those parties. I would wait until there is confirmation.

If US/UN come out and say it's backed by them then it shows how fecking disconnected everything is.

US negotiating on behalf of Israel without Israel agreeing to what they were negotiating is pretty mental.
What do you think Hamas have lied about since the conflict started?
 
What do you think Hamas have lied about since the conflict started?

The question is what do I think they *haven't* lied about.

This isn't putting Hamas on a pedastal for this stuff by the way - it's wartime, it's in every parties best interests to lie, or atleast dress the truth with 6 layers of embelishment.

I say this as someone who fully acknowledges that most of the shit that comes out of AFU are also lies, and most of the shit that comes out of Israel, is also lies.
 
Boeing-made. He's doing them a massive favour.

I know this was tongue in cheek, but Boeing military stuff is of exponentially higher quality than their civilian airliners. They're practically separate entities.
 
Potentially could be for this reason



I'm a little confused.

The missiles US has given Ukraine are legacy ones that are being replaced by different platform altogether, (or in the case of AM-RAAM's, they have so many it's flooding out of its arse with them)

They don't really give any missiles to Israel.
 


Second time I've seen a report saying this, first time was months ago. Hamas wants him out, PA and Israel don't.
Also based on polling he is the one candidate who would comfortably defeat any other Fatah or any Hamas leader in an election.


Been widely reported in Israeli media this week that Israel is no longer opposed to releasing him (e.g.https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-799811)

(edit): here is the original Asharq al-Awsat report on it -https://asharq.com/politics/87264/مروان-البرغوثي-على-رأس-قائمة-الأسرى-المحررين-في-صفقة-غزة/

Palestinian Authority is denying they’re opposed, of course -https://aawsat.com/العالم-العربي/ال...طينية-تنفي-اتهامات-بعرقلة-الإفراج-عن-البرغوثي
 
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It flies in the face of what you originally claimed and have been claiming. The move to rush through the bill now is absolutely because Israel (and the US) are unable to claim the narrative of the war. I mean you have Blinken admitting that for fecks sake yet you’re doubling down.

What misinformation has been promoted about this conflict on social media?

And secondly, don’t you think Israel and the US have been spreading misinformation?
You yourself posted a source that claimed an Israeli soldier was a pedo based on his social media caption which was in Hebrew. Amir pointed out the caption didn't say what the tweeting account claimed it said.

Also, photos of dead children have been retweeted by Ilhan Omar which turned out to be from the war in Syria.

Several experts have claimed this conflict produced the most misinformation they had ever seen up to this point. However, you won't see me saying it's only the pro-Palestinian side that posts misinformation.
 
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fecker has lost the plot.
He keeps mentioning the October 7th massacre in his speeches. I get that, but since then thousands of Palestinians, many women and children, have been killed by Israel. Maybe a word or two for them, Joe?
 
He keeps mentioning the October 7th massacre in his speeches. I get that, but since then thousands of Palestinians, many women and children, have been killed by Israel. Maybe a word or two for them, Joe?
Will probably speak about it after he loses the election. Though even then i wouldn't hold my breath for it.
 
Will probably speak about it after he loses the election. Though even then i wouldn't hold my breath for it.

He won't, his contempt for Arabs and Palestinians has been documented for decades. He was making similar genocidal stateements in the 80s to the ones you have been hearing from Israeli politicians in the last 7 months.
 
He won't, his contempt for Arabs and Palestinians has been documented for decades. He was making similar genocidal stateements in the 80s to the ones you have been hearing from Israeli politicians in the last 7 months.
Didn't know about that, thanks! Makes the "ancient hatred" comment even more amusing
 
He keeps mentioning the October 7th massacre in his speeches. I get that, but since then thousands of Palestinians, many women and children, have been killed by Israel. Maybe a word or two for them, Joe?
Being a compassionate human being costs him votes or something.
 
Been widely reported in Israeli media this week that Israel is no longer opposed to releasing him (e.g.https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-799811)

(edit): here is the original Asharq al-Awsat report on it -https://asharq.com/politics/87264/مروان-البرغوثي-على-رأس-قائمة-الأسرى-المحررين-في-صفقة-غزة/

Palestinian Authority is denying they’re opposed, of course -https://aawsat.com/العالم-العربي/ال...طينية-تنفي-اتهامات-بعرقلة-الإفراج-عن-البرغوثي

Thanks.
Interesting that Israel changed their stance. I wonder if their plan is, in the unlikely series of events that involves Palestinian election and him winning, to then say we can't do business with this convicted terrorist, as usual there is nobody to negotiate with, etc.
Either way Abbas is a real snake.
 
Quality control - Western Zionist Media - Really?
You yourself posted a source that claimed an Israeli soldier was a pedo based on his social media caption which was in Hebrew. Amir pointed out the caption didn't say what the tweeting account claimed it said.

Also, photos of dead children have been retweeted by Ilhan Omar which turned out to be from the war in Syria.

Several experts have claimed this conflict produced the most misinformation they had ever seen up to this point. However, you won't see me saying it's only the pro-Palestinian side that posts misinformation.
I’m not saying there isn’t any misinformation - but I am drawing an equivalence we’re seeing in misinformation in social media and what we’re seeing from US and Israeli official spokesperson and the Western Zionist media. We’ve had Biden on record say he’s seen 40 beheaded babies, we’ve seen others talk about mass rapes, babies found in ovens, then there’s the gaslighting, and deflection etc etc.

There’s no real difference between that and what social media is saying. And the irony of it all is we have Blinken saying they want to ban Tik Tok because Israel and the US is losing the media war. Which implicitly suggests that live accounts and Palestinian voices on social media are documenting real time the genocide amongst other things.
 
He keeps mentioning the October 7th massacre in his speeches. I get that, but since then thousands of Palestinians, many women and children, have been killed by Israel. Maybe a word or two for them, Joe?

Nobody wants his pitty words. Any decent human being with a little bit of compassion should ignore anything Biden or any US politician say.
 
Will probably speak about it after he loses the election. Though even then i wouldn't hold my breath for it.



"More striking is an anecdote from a moment similar to the current one, in the early 1980s. Israel’s bombing of Beirut, framed by Israel as self-defense, was condemned for its brutality around the world. Even President Ronald Reagan told off the Israelis at the time, telling Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin he was perpetrating a “holocaust” and that the bombing had to end. When Begin visited D.C. that year, he received pushback from senators over Israel’s conduct and killings of civilians.

One young senator, Begin recalled, stood out in contrast for his unreserved support for Israel’s military strikes even if it meant killing women and children. That was Senator Joseph R. Biden of Delaware. Begin was so shocked he had to disassociate himself from Biden’s remarks. A few months later, Israeli military–backed militias would carry out the gruesome Sabra and Shatila massacre in Beirut.

Let that sink in for a moment: Biden then was not only to the right of Ronald Reagan when it came to protecting Palestinian life, he was to the right of Menachem Begin. Today, he still is"

Do you think this guy will ever speak, he is worse than Israeli right wingers, he hates Arabs more than Trump. That is why every Arab or Muslim in the US should not vote for him abd stay home. They should not be complicit in genocide.
 
You yourself posted a source that claimed an Israeli soldier was a pedo based on his social media caption which was in Hebrew. Amir pointed out the caption didn't say what the tweeting account claimed it said.

Also, photos of dead children have been retweeted by Ilhan Omar which turned out to be from the war in Syria.

Several experts have claimed this conflict produced the most misinformation they had ever seen up to this point. However, you won't see me saying it's only the pro-Palestinian side that posts misinformation.


I agree with this 100%. But again, they don't shut down the new york time when they spread missinformation. Neither they cancel or impeach or whatever the feck they can do to Biden when he claimed that the 40 beheaded babies were true. Sure there is misinformation in Tik tok. But also in FB and Instragram and any other social media and blatantly in TVs and newspapers

Tik tok might receive more flak because of China ties? Maybe. That Tiktok is less controlled bye the US government and can control the misinformation from the pro-palestinian side and spread misinformation from the pro-Israelian side from other Social media platforms, TV and newspapers? my opinion is yes.

They don't mind (and even promote) miss information when is from the pro-israelian side, what they don't like is the misinformation (and reliable information also) that they can't control. And that is AGAIN, fecking double standards and hypocrisy