Some reports saying met and meeting went poorly/average.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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They have a good idea of the type of manager, but they may need convincing from their shortlist. Tuchel is known to be a difficult personality to work with and they wanted to see if he showed signs of adapting to the club. It looks like their minds weren't changed.
he went on holiday it's fairly possible he knows and they just decided to announce it when he got back
Berradas appointment was sorted fairly quickly, it was clear quite quickly that appointing ashworth woukd be more messy. Also, I would expect the dof to have direct responsibility for overseeing the appointment of the new manager and recruitment
But he’s managing Brighton? His regular players are Welbeck, Lallana and Milner.I think ETH spent more on Antony than Di Zerbi probably has in his entire career
Brighton are a club in trouble. They are selling 2-3 good players per window and the squad they currently have is shocking.
I bet Brighton are a bottom 15 club this season.
OK so based on the managers we are being linked with (assuming the rumors are mostly true) what style of manager are we looking for?
Ten Hag doesn't deserve this. If you don't want him, sack him.
Yet both are not allowed to actually work for us until they see our their gardening leave. There’s no difference
Why aren't employers allowed to seek out your replacement while you're still there? Some companies even make you train them
It's clear that we want a progressive coach who can adapt to the game model set by Wilcox, which will likely be in line with the club's own ethos. We also want someone who can elevate the level of our players, and make do with what he has while we make slow and steady changes to the squad (This has been reported too).
Tuchel is capable of this, but he's also dropped out with every higher up he's worked under. I think INEOS are smart to not rush into the brand of Thomas Tuchel and actually scope out his fit.
I'm not 100% sure De Zerbi is the guy for patience too, he got impatient quite quickly with Brighton and fell out with them.
I dont think thats right, not my specialist area tbf but feels like dodgy ground to me.
As i said we should have appointed a dof who could start early summer given how important they are in recruiting a new manager and players. I just don't believe ashworth is significantly better than other options that were more getable
Forget the legalities, this is poor form.
Agree with this sentiment.
If employees can do it so should employers be allowed to
Basically sounds like they went for Tuchel and failed. Now looking more clueless than ever.
ETH should resign.
This mess makes his position weak even if he's kept on. Gareth Southgate can feck off too, hope England get knocked out in the group stages if that means we don't end up with him.
This mess makes his position weak even if he's kept on. Gareth Southgate can feck off too, hope England get knocked out in the group stages if that means we don't end up with him.
INEPTEOS are finding out it's not all sunshine and rainbows when trying to improve a football club.
This is probably their first clear mistake with handling this situation. They wanted rid of Ten Hag but didn't have a better manager lined up.
This should mean Ten Hag gets atleast a one year extension in my mind, with there being a break clause at the end of next season if it doesn't go well.
I believe Ten Hag would also go for that to atleast get the next 2 years at the club on paper.
This is probably their first clear mistake with handling this situation. They wanted rid of Ten Hag but didn't have a better manager lined up.
This should mean Ten Hag gets atleast a one year extension in my mind, with there being a break clause at the end of next season if it doesn't go well.
I believe Ten Hag would also go for that to atleast get the next 2 years at the club on paper.
ETH cant resign, he's waiting for the £9m payoff.
Wouldnt have felt sorry for him if he'd been sacked promptly but the way Ineos are doing it is shambolic and a grim sign of things to come under their reign
A load of stupid cooks have been let in the kitchen
Wouldnt have felt sorry for him if he'd been sacked promptly but the way Ineos are doing it is shambolic and a grim sign of things to come under their reign
A load of stupid cooks have been let in the kitchen
Why? He is from a mega rich familly so dosnt need the money
The constant rumours and links can be ignored as newspaper bollocks to a degree.
But the silence coming out of the club i support of EtH is deafening.
Such a poor showing from INEOS. Really leaves a terrible impression of them as new owners.
But the silence coming out of the club i support of EtH is deafening.
Such a poor showing from INEOS. Really leaves a terrible impression of them as new owners.
You dont get to be rich by casually walking away from £9m when it's owed to you.It's more than double what any other club would offer him for work next season
He should consider himself very lucky if he stays in the job whatever happens. Of course he won't walk or resign.
This is all so unnecessary. Ineos would've lost nothing by keeping ETH on for another season, it would've given them a couple of transfer windows to do some squad rebuilding and then a proper considered handover next summer - we're not going to win the title next season regardless of manager so feck it, spend the time putting the foundations in place. Instead they've put themselves under huge pressure in a poor managerial market and are making themselves look utter fools.
He must know he's practically gone now, so why not hold out? But we don't even know it's £9m payout anymore. It was said that failure to qualify for CL would mean his payout drops to £6.25m. Unless they got that wrong and it was failure to qualify for any European competition, which would have been stupid on the clubs part given what happened was always a possibility and isn't good enough.
We're writing off the next 2/3 years whatever happens. If ETH stays. If Southgate comes. If it's RdZ or Frank.
The only differences are will we be playing attractive losing football or unattractive losing football.
The way Ineos have allowed the "review process" to drag on for three weeks is a joke, very poor to be honest.
If they were considering firing eth they should have done it at this stage. One of the big problems Is the lack of idea replacements. He should be left in the job and get the backing from ineos. If they are waiting for Southgate then we are really fecked. What has he ever done as a manager? is it another case of employing British, hopefully not. Sean Dyce has a better record than Southgate . My mother would have done as well as Southgate in the England job.
If they were considering firing eth they should have done it at this stage. One of the big problems Is the lack of idea replacements. He should be left in the job and get the backing from ineos. If they are waiting for Southgate then we are really fecked. What has he ever done as a manager? is it another case of employing British, hopefully not. Sean Dyce has a better record than Southgate . My mother would have done as well as Southgate in the England job.
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Ashworth is actually one of the best around. Certainly within British clubs
How can we be certain we are "leaving him hanging". For all we know, he's been told part of the review is looking at other candidates and he's just gone on holiday while it wraps up. It's the new owners perogative to pick their leadership. Not conventional, but it's possible.
Sounds like it has leaked because Tuchel isn’t going to get the job, I’m assuming they have narrowed it down to one or two names now and we’ll find out who next manager is going to be over next few days.
100%. But if they decide to keep him, he should consider walking.
Tuchel never made sense. Poch is the obvious candidate but smartest move is to keep ETH and buy better players instead. Oh and stop playing a one man midfield until we buy a young Kante.
I think the world of football management is very different to any other profession.
He'd have to resign first (which would be risky) and there would ultimately be no point in advancing that claim (even if he had a great case) - the payout he will receive from United if he is sacked this summer will vastly outstrip anything he'd be awarded at tribunal for a successful constructive dismissal claim. Far better from Ten Hag's perspective to just sit tight and wait for United to make their move.
United need to pull their finger out, though. I don't see how they can keep Ten Hag in post now that the world knows Ratcliffe has met with Tuchel. The only way to regain Ten Hag's authority would be for United to publicly deny that the meeting with Tuchel ever took place (which looks difficult, given how widely reported it now is). Otherwise, we go into the season with a manager at the helm that everyone knows the club tried to remove in the summer - the only reason he'd still be there would be because everyone they approached turned them down. Ten Hag's position would be completely untenable.
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No, it literally sounds nothing like that. Did you actually read any of the articles?
Or a made up fake news storm in a teacup to drive engagement and sell rags. Just a thought.
Isn’t it rather obvious by now that the media is rather clueless on what’s going on?
If anything (if this is even true) I’d say it sounds more like Tuchel worked out he wouldn’t be number one so briefed first and is saving face with the hole time out shtick.
Blindingly.
Before the FA cup final the word was that he was being sacked after the final. Dead man walking. Now it’s been two weeks of «ongoing reviews» where the claim is that we’re in talk with a bunch of other managers, to the point of Ratcliffe personally being involved in talks, and that the results of the reviews are soon to be in.
Piss easy being a journalist, it would seem.
Not sure why people actually bother reading the articles.