Anderson

sincher said:
I don't believe that's true - that most English posters thought Lennon was more talented than Ronaldo before last season.
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May be most did not but I am sure a large number did. And most did think we could easily replace Ronaldo with Lennon if we had to sell him.
 
kanchelskis14 said:
I'm a Carrick fan. I had him in my 'Top 10 to watch this season', in addition to Anderson. However, he played on Wednesday to stake his claim, given Anderson had been playing, and playing very well in recent games. My question was, do people think he did enough in that performance, to confirm he was number 1 in Scholes' absence, or basically, would you still expect Anderson to start next game? I thought it was the latter, he personally disappointed me.
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Carrick did quite well on Wednesday night he was a little rusty but he fitted into the side quite well. Again Anderson has been playing really well so deserves his spot in the side but that doesn't mean Carrick can't have an important role he will as the season goes on. All four first choice midfielders (You have to feel for Fletcher who isn't going to get too much of a look in) will get plenty of games and certain games will of course suite certain combinations.

kanchelskis14 said:
Anderson does not need to play every game no, but he deserves to be picked right now at least. Obviously that doesn't mean we don't need another midfielder besdies Anderson.
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Agreed

kanchelskis14 said:
I think some of the arguments are needless. You and I had several run-in's over Smith, who i felt was quite rubbish. I reckon most posters on here probably agree now that he has gone, wheras when he was here, they were calling me names at times for saying Saha was better than him and should start! I honestly reckon people just want to have a go as a result of a perception of me they have bought into as a result of a handful of posters making some tongue in cheek comments over the years, which has now gotten out of hand.
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I don't recall anyone having a go at you for saying Saha should start above smith in fact recalling my side on that it was more about Smith not being a rubbish player and you being better than him at football but again I don't want to start that again its not the point of the thread.
 
I've had my disagreements with K14 but he's one of the most knowledgeable football posters here. There seems to be a mentality on the Caf that if people rate players outside England they're a FM muppet.
 
CantonaVeron said:
I don't recall anyone having a go at you for saying Saha should start above smith in fact recalling my side on that it was more about Smith not being a rubbish player and you being better than him at football but again I don't want to start that again its not the point of the thread.
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I do. People were of the impression that Smith offers us more, links better with Rooney, allows the others to play etc. I think once you take Smith out of a red shirt, his quality or lack there of, becomes more apparent. In my eyes, he's rubbish, in the same way that Dirk Kuyt is rubbish. Obviously not in the same way my nan is rubbish though.
 
In what way is your nan rubbish? I reckon it's her touch on the ball, which is woeful.
 
sincher said:
I don't believe that's true - that most English posters thought Lennon was more talented than Ronaldo before last season.
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They sure thought that Lennon was better than Messi :lol: :lol:-
http://redcafe.net/showpost.php?p=2785864&postcount=8

Sell Ronaldo, Sign Lennon -
http://redcafe.net/showpost.php?p=2455274&postcount=1
http://redcafe.net/showpost.php?p=2455305&postcount=6

Lennon one of the best wingers in the league after scoring 3 goals in a season and just 2 assists -
http://redcafe.net/showpost.php?p=3230954&postcount=43

These comments are fine but Anderson turning into a world class player is FM bollocks obviously :rolleyes:
 
kanchelskis14 said:
I do. People were of the impression that Smith offers us more, links better with Rooney, allows the others to play etc. I think once you take Smith out of a red shirt, his quality or lack there of, becomes more apparent. In my eyes, he's rubbish, in the same way that Dirk Kuyt is rubbish. Obviously not in the same way my nan is rubbish though.
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People may have though Smith offered more but thats not the same as having a go at you for that point. Smith is a decent player, when he was here he did a good job as a backup player. Anyway thats the last I am saying on Smith he is playing at Newcastle now and doesn't have much to do with Anderson.
 
Instant Karma said:
They sure thought that Lennon was better than Messi :lol: :lol:-
http://redcafe.net/showpost.php?p=2785864&postcount=8

Sell Ronaldo, Sign Lennon -
http://redcafe.net/showpost.php?p=2455274&postcount=1
http://redcafe.net/showpost.php?p=2455305&postcount=6

Lennon one of the best wingers in the league after scoring 3 goals in a season and just 2 assists -
http://redcafe.net/showpost.php?p=3230954&postcount=43

These comments are fine but Anderson turning into a world class player is FM bollocks obviously :rolleyes:
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I have learned the following from this:

Never underestimate the level of spazziness from the caf.
 
crappycraperson said:
May be most did not but I am sure a large number did. And most did think we could easily replace Ronaldo with Lennon if we had to sell him.
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Lennon is clearly talented, but I don't recall many posters saying he was in anyway better than Ronaldo.
 
Instant Karma said:
They sure thought that Lennon was better than Messi :lol: :lol:-
http://redcafe.net/showpost.php?p=2785864&postcount=8

Sell Ronaldo, Sign Lennon -
http://redcafe.net/showpost.php?p=2455274&postcount=1
http://redcafe.net/showpost.php?p=2455305&postcount=6

Lennon one of the best wingers in the league after scoring 3 goals in a season and just 2 assists -
http://redcafe.net/showpost.php?p=3230954&postcount=43

These comments are fine but Anderson turning into a world class player is FM bollocks obviously :rolleyes:
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Nothing wrong with Plechazunga's comment Lennon is one of the best wingers in the league and does show good potential, he can improve of course and most probably will.
 
kanchelskis14 said:
Nah, she's just generally a bit of a rubbish person. I think i might get a new nan.

Her touch on the ball is actually fantastic.
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Her dribbling is class, I reckon. Wouldn't make a good keeper, though - lets anything in.
 
Yeah, Lennon is one of the best wingers in the league. That's not silly at all.
 
CantonaVeron said:
Nothing wrong with Plechazunga's comment Lennon is one of the best wingers in the league and does show good potential, he can improve of course and most probably will.
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IK's a bit of a muppet. So this is quite ironic.
 
Lennon is just a speed demon who may not even make it into the top bracket of wingers in the game in the long run.

To say that he is better than Messi is ridiculous beyond just about anything i've read on here.
 
kanchelskis14 said:
Lennon is just a speed demon who may not even make it into the top bracket of wingers in the game in the long run.

To say that he is better than Messi is ridiculous beyond just about anything i've read on here.
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That poster was probably intoxicated or something. Messi's the most talented player I've seen since the fat Ronaldo. One in a generation type.

As for Lennon, he's clearly got talent. . .and could become a very good player. That said, I've not seen him this season. . .and he may have become crap.
 
Spoonez el Grande said:
That poster was probably intoxicated or something. Messi's the most talented player I've seen since the fat Ronaldo. One in a generation type.

As for Lennon, he's clearly got talent. . .and could become a very good player. That said, I've not seen him this season. . .and he may have become crap.
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Lennon has been crap, Spurs have been a bit crap too though...
 
That said Plech isn't the best judge of footballers or even the game. He has Liam Miller moments.
 
anderson is turning into a very nice player. his passing is very good, good vision, fantastic technique and he's strong with good body balance.
 
Rams said:
anderson is turning into a very nice player. his passing is very good, good vision, fantastic technique and he's strong with good body balance.
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And his acceleration is exceptional plus he has a decent shot on him. :angel:
 
kanchelskis14 said:
Obviously, this is all projected, and on the basis that not many players his age and in his position are as good as him. Therefore, you would naturally expect him to be amongst the best midfielders around in a few years.
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Fabregas and Iniesta are two that will be leading lights in the future.

I'd say your projections were a little over-optimistic. I hope you are right though.
 
Feed Me said:
Fabregas and Iniesta are two that will be leading lights in the future.

I'd say your projections were a little over-optimistic. I hope you are right though.
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Iniesta is quite a bit older than Anderson. he's 22, and has been in the Barca first-team setup for a couple of years already. Anderson moved to Europe just two seasons ago. given this evidence, k14 certainly has enough of a case i reckon.
 
Feed Me said:
Fabregas and Iniesta are two that will be leading lights in the future.

I'd say your projections were a little over-optimistic. I hope you are right though.
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It is by no means outrageous to say Anderson can be as good as Fab or Iniesta. In all honesty, i reckon it's hard to be much better than Anderson in relation to the stage of his develpment he's at.
 
Bape said:
First half was slightly quiet but he definitely made up for it in the second half. He has started to make runs much more often now, and he even tried the 'hokus Pucus' trick he did when he was 15 today. Great progress, and definitely suprised how fast he is coming along, Fergie will find it hard to drop him in the near future.
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what minute approx did he try this hocus pocus trick? i'm waiting for him to do this trick
 
CantonaVeron said:
Your being a bit of a baby there, mikel is a excellent prospect who will go onto be one of the best midfield players in europe, I would imagine no one would dispute that. However people would look at say you comments on Carrick since he is clearly competeing with your favorite Anderson, in your eyes anyway (I personally think there are plenty of games for both) and say why has he suddenly got a downer on Carrick. Same for Giggsy and Nani, I knew as soon as the season started there would be alot of negative K14 Giggs posts. Now you can come back with all the persecution stuff you normally come back with but thats how it appears.
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Erm, in fairness Giggs has been well below par for most of the games this season. Seems to be finding some for now that he's back on the left thankfully.
 
kanchelskis14 said:
It is by no means outrageous to say Anderson can be as good as Fab or Iniesta. In all honesty, i reckon it's hard to be much better than Anderson in relation to the stage of his develpment he's at.
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Not sure about that. Fabregas isn't much older, and is already one of the best in Europe so he's pretty far along in that sense, whereas Anderson's only just starting to show what he can do for us.

That said, Anderson seems to have all the positive aspects to his game that Fabregas does, as well as some serious pace and more dribbling ability. Whether he can put it all together to become as/more effective than Fabregas within a year remains to be seen (I'm going on the assumption that Anderson is 19 and Fabregas 20).
 
There's really no doubt that the lad will end up as one hell of a footballer.

I'd wish he'd quite the Eboue rolls though, but I'm sure Fergie will sort that out.
 
Just saw the highlights on MOTD2, saw Anderson just run and power his way past a Rovers players - it was before Dunns red card... The guy is a quality player...i know one when i see one.
 
He went for that trick which have circulated on youtube as well, don't think he really got it right, but he won a free kick anyway.

I'd like to see the replay of that one...
 
CapeTownRed said:
Not sure about that. Fabregas isn't much older, and is already one of the best in Europe so he's pretty far along in that sense, whereas Anderson's only just starting to show what he can do for us.

That said, Anderson seems to have all the positive aspects to his game that Fabregas does, as well as some serious pace and more dribbling ability. Whether he can put it all together to become as/more effective than Fabregas within a year remains to be seen (I'm going on the assumption that Anderson is 19 and Fabregas 20).
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none of which makes it unreasonable to say that Anderson, who is a year younger and far less experienced in Europe, will not in the future be on the same level. like SAF said, he was the major reason Fabregas was so quiet last weekend.

good to see the lad's confidence is growing. he is making more forward runs and taking players on. loved the trick he did today. fooled Nielsen, the thug...
 
The game passes him by at times. Especially when the ball is played out of the defense...rio to vidic to brown to hoof. Obviously it's a team confidence thing. The more he plays, the more he'll get a chance to build up play and run things.
 
vikram10 said:
The game passes him by at times. Especially when the ball is played out of the defense...rio to vidic to brown to hoof. Obviously it's a team confidence thing. The more he plays, the more he'll get a chance to build up play and run things.
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In a couple of years, everything will go through him.
 
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