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GlastonSpur said:
Doubtless similar things were being said about Modric, whose 'name recognition and profile' was (and is) at least as big as Arshavin's is now.

That's not to say that Spurs are after him, but if we are/were then we'd be in with a definite shout. Never say never as far as Spurs are concerned. We might not be in the CL, but the club has a bigger pulling power than you seem to imagine and might just have one or two surprises in store this summer ;)
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what are you smokin mate

the only other club that made any offer for modric were Newcastle (and yeah you have more pulling power than them)

Arsenal were interested but never made any genuine offer.

As far as arshavin is concerned there is genuine interest from barca, chelsea, arsenal

if you think if those clubs actually make an offer for him, and he would sign for you then you need serious help
 
Nobody doubts his quality. Seriously. Who is saying he isn't a very good/one of the best strikers in the premiership?

I don't see anybody saying that. Maybe someone was ghosted?
 
Elliott said:
2 words: Djemba.
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Bellion, Miller, Kleberson, Taibi, several other shite keepers. The man is a legend but not infallible.


GE said:
He'd be a great signing, but £28m :eek: fecking hell! I'd rather us pay half that for a younger striker ...Huntelaar.
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Huntelaar would not be available for half this fee, more like £18-20 million at least.
 
Ekeke said:
Nobody doubts his quality. Seriously. Who is saying he isn't a very good/one of the best strikers in the premiership?

I don't see anybody saying that. Maybe someone was ghosted?
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You missed the assertion:

"Unless people really really doubt Berbatovs ability then i think it is whimsical for them to criticise this particular transfer"

See how it hinges on that word, yes, shall i continue?

The point being that unless you doubt Berbatovs ability, you have no ground for criticising the transfer, we would pay similar money for any other top striker in the world, even more. So the point is; unless you think he isn't one of the top strikers in the world, money is a not really an issue you could take up with Ferguson.

Otherwise...

If it is his attributes, and how suitable they are when fitting them into our team, i would take Fergusons view as far more valuable than your own. Some have said Djemba Djemba, but when you spend 3m on a player, you incur a far greater risk - Berbatov is proven within a certain bracket of player, Fergie has decided (apparently) that he is the most suitable player. I tend to agree with him.

You have a penchant for totally missing the point.
 
Younited.7 said:
You missed the assertion:

"Unless people really really doubt Berbatovs ability then i think it is whimsical for them to criticise this particular transfer"

See how it hinges on that word, yes, shall i continue?

The point being that unless you doubt Berbatovs ability, you have no ground for criticising the transfer
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You really dont know what you're talking about do you. :lol:
 
KeyserSoze said:
Gus, you have a serious "man crush" on Berbatov, it is plain this goes beyond him as a footballer. The deal could never happen pal, just like me with Batigol :(
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No i just seen him fitting like an absolute pre cast glove.


And taking us onto a different level. Would you not be like a 7yr old child if you believed we were signing someone as good as dennis bergkamp....maybe as good as cantona.
 
GusHiddink said:
No i just seen him fitting like an absolute pre cast glove.


And taking us onto a different level. Would you not be like a 7yr old child if you believed we were signing someone as good as dennis bergkamp....maybe as good as cantona.
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No, Gus I am a fan of Berbatov as a player as well. Believe he has the sort of talent and arrognace to make a big impact at any club. Its just not a done deal yet, thats all im saying.
 
I can't personally see how we can need someone like Berbatov, But then again I am not the manager(thank God) and up to now that guy SAF or whatever they call him has always done the right thing. So if he thinks we need Berbatov then we feckin need Berbatov.
 
GusHiddink said:
No i just seen him fitting like an absolute pre cast glove.


And taking us onto a different level. Would you not be like a 7yr old child if you believed we were signing someone as good as dennis bergkamp....maybe as good as cantona.
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well from a purely footballing standpoint, i rate bergkamp at a higher level than cantona, as many objective people do.

i'd be quite happy if he's as good as teddy was for us (remember teddy won pfa and fwa player of the year awards his last season with united).

i've come around the berbatov deal. i mean, i've always rated him but was always hung up over the price. now i just don't care anymore, he's quality, get him in asap, get him training with wazza and tevez and lets get on with it.
 
jatin said:
what are you smokin mate

the only other club that made any offer for modric were Newcastle (and yeah you have more pulling power than them)

Arsenal were interested but never made any genuine offer.

As far as arshavin is concerned there is genuine interest from barca, chelsea, arsenal

if you think if those clubs actually make an offer for him, and he would sign for you then you need serious help
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Pulling power is partly about having money. If "Arsenal were interested but never made any genuine offer", then how do you know it wasn't because they didn't have the cash bearing in mind their need/desire to also sign other players in other positions?

And how do you know that "the only other club that made any offer for modric were Newcastle"? From newspapers?

The fact is that many were surprised when Spurs announced Modric. As I've said before - Spurs have a lot more going for them than you think. Not least Ramos - one of the most highly respected managers in Europe.

Pulling power is also partly about showing a player that you really, really want them. There was interest in Berbatov from MUFC originally, but Spurs got him.

Pulling power is also sometimes about providing regular first team opportunities. Arshavin (for example) could go to Barca or Chelseas and spend half his time or more sitting on the bench, or come to Spurs and play week and week out. That's one reason why we got Bale, despite reported MUFC interest (and no, I don't know how real that interest was and neither I suspect do you).

And pulling power is also about being in the Prem - many players want to try their hand in the toughest league in the world. Not all of them want to play in La Liga.

I'm not saying Spurs are after Arshavin, but if we are then I wouldn't rule us out by any means.
 
Ekeke said:
You really dont know what you're talking about do you. :lol:
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And you don't have any ground for criticising the transfer unless you doubt his ability because:

Price - top talent, top dollar. It's self explanatory.

Attributes - Fergie knows a hell of a lot more than you.

Don't worry, continue your way around the forum making a belligerent idiot of yourself.
 
Younited.7 said:
No Ekeke, you have absolutely no answer to what i have said, so you didn't.

Stumped.

You are Mcfeckwit, renowned plonker and general idiot.
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I will say this for your sake. No matter how many times you insult me, you will never gain my praise or respect.

I know you just want my attention and for me to give you a big hug and say "It's okay man. I see past your cheesy insults, hypocricy and strange use of punctuation and you're still my man"

However this is not going to happen. So how about we get to debating football matters rather than trying to hone a craft of trash talking you clearly aren't suited for? I'd imagine its for the best for everyone.
 
Bilbo said:
Its difficult to not rate him. He is clearly talented. Whether he is the right fit for our squad, both talent-wise and as a character, remains to be seen. I have doubts, based on things that I have seen with my own eyes.

The difference between you and I Chief, is that I'm happy to admit that my opinion is based on incomplete information, whereas you are not. Which makes you a muppet*
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Rather the difference between you and me is that you are a shameless liar & I'm not. You don't rate Berbatov at all. It has little to do "with what you've seen with your own eyes" . That's why all you ever have to post about him is negative. Opinions based on nothing concrete what soever. But your own personal bias of a "perceived" lack of attitude" that you can't even substantiate.

To make it worse, you want to paint it as if my opinion on him is remotely as incomplete as yours. When you most probably never knew a thing about Berbatov before he came to Spurs. A handicap I do not suffer from.

Bilbo said:
*This opinion is not based on incomplete information
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You're right. It's infact based on a wishful fabrication that springs entirely from your own head. For I am not one to talk about things I have in complete information about. Like you clearly do.
 
What if you've got your cock out for some other reason but Berbatov just keeps popping in?
 
charleysurf said:
Last week I thought Huntelaar was the Messiah. Then it seemed I was wrong and Berbatov was the true Messiah. And then today I am being told that Aguero is the real Messiah.

I'm so confused :confused:
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he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!

Just had to be said, sorry.

he is actually satan and will look at home in the red shirt:devil:
 
VoetbalWizard said:
well from a purely footballing standpoint, i rate bergkamp at a higher level than cantona, as many objective people do.

i'd be quite happy if he's as good as teddy was for us (remember teddy won pfa and fwa player of the year awards his last season with united).

i've come around the berbatov deal. i mean, i've always rated him but was always hung up over the price. now i just don't care anymore, he's quality, get him in asap, get him training with wazza and tevez and lets get on with it.
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Id prob have to agree on the cantona v bergkamp point...probably....its hard to say so though given that magical affinity with the king. But for sure in my eyes berbatov has as much abilty if not more than bergkamp. Now he'll get the stage.

And i cant see this falling down now. spurs cant keep him because he wont play for them. Not even sure he fits into the way ramos wants them to play
 
Ekeke said:
I will say this for your sake. No matter how many times you insult me, you will never gain my praise or respect.

I know you just want my attention and for me to give you a big hug and say "It's okay man. I see past your cheesy insults, hypocricy and strange use of punctuation and you're still my man"

However this is not going to happen. So how about we get to debating football matters rather than trying to hone a craft of trash talking you clearly aren't suited for? I'd imagine its for the best for everyone.
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It's funny because you never properly articulate an argument when the going gets tough. It is easier for you to add a :lol:, laugh it off and hope for the best. You answer selectively, ignore most of the things i say and pipe some shit about me insulting you.

We went through all of these things, which you decided not to read or answer.

You said to me that i wasn't clever enough to read after softly calling you titwit - a non insult. You are too touchy my dear.


:lol::lol::lol: - see, they do nothing for my argument. They don't do anything for you either, stop hiding behind these smiley faces.
 
gus, i have a problem with all the ambiguity in your posts. do you want berbatov to join or not? i can't work out whether you rate him as a player or not.
 
Ferguson said:
Seems a lot for a player who is 27 years old.

But we have to get used to price inflation. What was too much before is no longer too much.

It's not easy getting the finished product in the prime of his career. We are no longer building a team for the future. This team can win trophies now, so adding the final piece in the form of Berbatov is worth the money.

Now if we could just figure out a way of avoiding Ronaldo's inevitable departure ... of course, we do have Nani waiting in the wings, and Hargreaves provided some good service from the wing at the end of the season.

Maybe we can do it without Ronaldo and his goals.
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Brwned said:
I wouldn't be so sure of that.

That's only reported interest, Arsenal wouldn't pay the money and so far I've heard no interest of Chelsea, and so Tottenham seem his next best bet since he has already said the Premier League is the best in the world.
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Wenger has gone on record time and time again signing his praises and if the Adebayor sale goes through then I see no reason why they wouldn't have a shot at signing him. It was Arsenal's interest that was announced way before Barca or Chelsea were on the scene

As for the Chelsea interest you must of been living under a rock because the stories have been everywhere! Whether or not they're any more credible than the stories linking us with Hunterlaar is another matter

And even if you are right (which you are not) and Arsenal and Chelsea aren't in for him Barca are and he wouldn't choose Spurs over them (sorry Glaston)

GlastonSpur said:
Doubtless similar things were being said about Modric, whose 'name recognition and profile' was (and is) at least as big as Arshavin's is now.

That's not to say that Spurs are after him, but if we are/were then we'd be in with a definite shout. Never say never as far as Spurs are concerned. We might not be in the CL, but the club has a bigger pulling power than you seem to imagine and might just have one or two surprises in store this summer ;)
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Good point about Modric but I do think right now Arshavin's stock is unquestionably higher than Modric's was when you signed him albeit credit where it's due Modric was a huge coo for your lot.

As for Spurs pulling power I'm sorry but it's not as big as you think as has always been the case with spurs, whether or not the interest is real but there have been several players I would think would be reachable for Spurs that have really put you down in the press and quashed any possibility of joining you.
 
Elliott said:
2 words: Djemba.
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Kleberson, Bellion, Dong FFS!!

offset with Ronaldo, Rooney, Keano and a 100 other top quality signings

Every manager has to gamble when signing knew players. They make a call based on ability, but they have no way of knowing how players will knit into his squad and, in Fergies case, how they will handle playing for Man United.

My take on Berbatov is this: His quality, touch, vision and class are exciting, his lack of aparent work ethic worries me. His sulkiness I put down to him being too good for a lot of his team. That wont be a problem at OT.

Personally, I'm not convined he's a United player, but in Fergie I trust.

He'll bring something different. If Fergie likes him. Sign him on :cool:
 
"It is understood that United will offer £18m upfront with the remainder of the transfer fee payable on depending on the player's appearances and achievements."
 
Is this deal happening? Some reports seem to suggest it's done while others say we haven't even put in a bid. Then there are those that say we aren't prepared to pay more than £25m while others say the fee is going to be £28m.

Is it just the mail/evening standard who are reporting a deal has been done?
 
Had not seen it in here yet! Its only just gone past twelve as well, new stories can wait till morning :smirk:
 
Younited.7 said:
It's funny because you never properly articulate an argument when the going gets tough. It is easier for you to add a :lol:, laugh it off and hope for the best. You answer selectively, ignore most of the things i say and pipe some shit about me insulting you.

We went through all of these things, which you decided not to read or answer.

You said to me that i wasn't clever enough to read after softly calling you titwit - a non insult. You are too touchy my dear.


:lol::lol::lol: - see, they do nothing for my argument. They don't do anything for you either, stop hiding behind these smiley faces.
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I didn't say you "wasn't clever enough to read". Please don't misrepresent my words.

I said you weren't clever enough to understand that in attempting to wind me up, you let yourself get wound up by my response.

Which has been much in evidence, not least by the fact you still think I said something I didn't.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I'm not saying Spurs are after Arshavin, but if we are then I wouldn't rule us out by any means.
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At his age he needs to go straight to a top quality club. Players like Modric and Dos Santos are using Spurs as stepping stones, if you do qualify for the CL than that is a bonus otherwise they are young and other clubs will go for them if they turn out good. It is important for them to either be at a top club or be at a club where they can get the chance to play week in week out and show case their talents for the big clubs. Spurs has been a good place for that in recent years. Arshavin doesn't have as many years left at the top level and what would be the point of leaving one UEFA cup quality side and joining another aged 27?

I don't know if we will go for him but I bet you he would join us over your lot. The main pulling power Spurs has for players abroad is players know they are playing week in week out in a top league at a club who at least get into the UEFA cup so they will get noticed.
 
This transfer is basically still just a rumour tbh.


So, likewise, are the figures...



... but here's a sop for all those thinking that perhaps Utd have paid about £3m too much:

His quoted wages are 80k p.w. - compared to a 100k p.w. player - that's a saving of 20k p.w. or 52 x 20k p.a. or 1.04m p.a. So if he stays on those figures for about 3 years we'll have made back the 3 million compared to someone who needed bigger wages.
 
honestly fecking cannot wait till this striker ordeal is done berva or hunterlaar, lets get it done and focused!
 
Manchester United step up their pursuit of Berbatov

Manchester United will hold further negotiations with Tottenham Hotspur today over the possible transfer of Dimitar Berbatov. Despite having had an opening offer in excess of £20 million rejected, United hope to reach an agreement with Tottenham for the Bulgaria forward.

Ferguson and his players depart for a preseason tour to South Africa tomorrow and would like Berbatov to join them at some point on the trip.



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/article4334342.ece
 
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