I would say, from looking at some pictures of them, these bastards are not from Kashmir/Phillipines/Palestine/Chechnya/Uighur Province/Eritrea/Somalia/insert any other Islamic flashpoint, so opressed they most certainy are not...
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I would say, from looking at some pictures of them, these bastards are not from Kashmir/Phillipines/Palestine/Chechnya/Uighur Province/Eritrea/Somalia/insert any other Islamic flashpoint, so opressed they most certainy are not...
would agree if a terrorist wants to blow up some place bad enough, he or she can do it...just seems to me the whole response was haphazard....and there was a statement somewhere that they did at least have a days warning....
...also the Kashmir problem is not new....seems they needed to have their fingers on the pulse...all the time....
still no functioning 'a' key, eh?
No. I just hope tht people understnd my posts, rther thn think
s for these ttcks, I think it's probbly the Tmil Tigers. Why not eh?
...while I don't always agree with everything HR says...he is quite a bit to the right of my political leanings certainly...you have a healthy hatred for Americans and Israelis...
...get some help...
...and Pakistanis
No. I just hope tht people understnd my posts, rther thn think
s for these ttcks, I think it's probbly the Tmil Tigers. Why not eh?
I understand them.
that's an interesting hypothesis, and obviously resources aren't a factor in the operation, what could make them branch out and attack India? Do they regard Sri Lankans and Indians the same?
Pakistan since you bring it up...have a hell of a lot things to worry about than staring another war with India....I was pleased when they got rid of Musharraf...if they manage to get some control over their tribal homelands...the whole Al Queda issue may just dry up....
Seriously, though. It mkes no sense. Brits nd mericns were ll in the firing line, so it could hve been people from outside, but the terrorists ll looked like South/Centrl Indins. lthough, bombings like thse hve usully hppened in Muslim countries, nd the trgets hve usully been Westerners/people connected to the West.
Spooney why the hell don't you just highlight and cut an 'a' from this post and then use 'ctrl + v' as your a key?
The Northern prts will never come undercontrol. ll down the US/fghn conflict. They've got such strnglehold on those prts. s for Mushrrf, he might hve gone, but they've got n utter corrupt cretin in chrge.
Too much hssle. I used to cut nd pste spces, when my spcebr went. It ws pin.
Yeah, but it seems that the majority of casualties were Indians, no? It would be a clever move to take foreign hostages as a smokescreen to a more domestic oriented attack designed to destabilize the country.
True. lthough, more Indins(locls) were lwys going to die. Sme thing hppened in Muslim countries. Tht sid, it could be n internl conflict. Judging by the pictures, they(terrorists) re definitely locls.
indeed. it must be horrendously difficult to manage such a populous democracy, I have a feeling the the government is going to bungle the rest of it.
Great mentality I guess you've never heard of non violent resistance, learn about the teachings of Mahatma Gandhi
If you would like to meet I really don't think you would be so brave, filthy coward, it always amazes me how brave people get on internet forums
Violence as a response to a different point of view maybe you've got more in common with terrorists that your comfortable with
You've never been to New Jersey, I assume...
...and people that wonder why it's wrong to shower bullets upon families at a beach-side picnic.
But we still love ya HR.
...and people that wonder why it's wrong to shower bullets upon families at a beach-side picnic.
But we still love ya HR.
Livvie put that comment in its proper context a few posts later.
And no i haven't, although there are parts of London that would also prove that you can't be too sweeping with that statement i originally made.
Oh and by the way, Indian forces are still battling terrorists in the Taj. We're at 48 hours now give or take.
It is not Tamil tigers, they got no conflict going with India right now. Not Naxals either, they don have no where near as much resources to pull off something like it.
Seems to be dragging on a bit now........are these troops good enough to sort this out. I can't imagine our SAS taking this long.
That's fair point I reckon US Special Forces would have had it done by now, but possibly they had additional sleepers in the hotel posing as guests so they could keep the siege going, could be why it is going so long, just a thought
Well you have made the argument right there!
In any case, I actually meant most powerful state as in global political clout and wealth - rather than most dominant in the Muslim world.
So what is the root of the problems in the Muslim world? What needs to happen to improve the situation?
According to the 10 O'Clcok news the death toll now stands at 155, although how many of these are terrorists it is not specified.
CNN in the US has the number at 160 dead, 5 Americans.
Wolf Blitzer (The evening CNN anchor - stupid name, I know) is speaking with a reporter live on the scene. An explosion of gun fire burst out from the Taj Hotel. Doesn't look like this is wrapping up.
Wolf Blitzer (The evening CNN anchor - stupid name, I know) is speaking with a reporter live on the scene. An explosion of gun fire burst out from the Taj Hotel. Doesn't look like this is wrapping up.
Surprise surprise your Muslim
A violent response to a different point of view. Where do you live in a western democracy by any chance?
You could take the boy out of the ghetto, but can't take the ghetto out of the boy.
Surprise surprise your Muslim
A violent response to a different point of view. Where do you live in a western democracy by any chance?
You could take the boy out of the ghetto, but can't take the ghetto out of the boy.
What the feck are you saying?
Are you a Christian, McGrath? If you are, did you go out onto the streets to march/protest against the sexual abuse that's been occuring in Christian Churhes the word over? I would be willing to bet that you didn't.
The point I am making is that your average Muslim cannot be held responsible for the actions of a few.
They are called churches, and that had to do with the Roman Catholics. Fair enough though for criticizing the Catholic church they do have to answer for it, as should Islam for these things, not the followers, but certainly I see no problem with Islam catching flack for the recent exploits in terrorism in the name of Islam.
....sounds like President Obama may well take some of these Al Queda fellas out direct after all.
Agreed.
Although Imams and clerics could perhaps be more vocal or forceful in seizing the agenda [the worst it could do is hopefully reduce divison and increase understanding at a needy time in the UK]. This isn't to say that there aren't already some that are but it doesn't exactly receive the highest profile coverage. This goes for the media and those challenging doctrine and radicalism in the Middle East and Muslims in the West.
A problem on two fronts really.
Its a fair view, do you solely blame Islam for these events?
What do you think could be done to stop it?
I see a problem with Islam catching flack for the recent exploits of a minority of brainwashed numbnuts who have used Islam as an excuse to carry out those atrocities. Yes I know the terrorists are Muslims, but they're interpreting the Islamic principles in a way they see fit to cause havoc.
Islamic leaders have spoken out already against this and campaigns to preach awareness are already out there in full force in the Muslim World.
What can we do more as civilians? Should my friends and I go and try to infiltrate those terrorist networks in the hope to sabotage them in the future? Should we march down the street in the hope those terrorists suddenly have a change of heart and warm up to the idea of coexistence? Like feck they will, they've been brought up to think this way, and no march will make them change what they've been taught to believe.
The problem is on a much more widespread and global range.. while the name of Islam is just thrown on it. And this is why unfortunately Islam is carrying the majority of the blame.
Strangely there is enough money and supplies for thousands of rockets which are continuously being fired on Israel
yeah, they find a way to make home-made missiles and get some through underground tunnels to counter the fighter jets dropping bombs on random houses in the occupied territories. You expect them to get investment from Dubai to build big buildings for tourists in there? Get a grip.
I don't mean they should attack the whole country, but rather focus on the areas where the Taliban and Al-Qaeda are using as safe-havens, mainly the lawless regions between the Afghan-Pakistani border. Attacking the whole country would simply play into the hands of the extremists, that's what their entire goal is, to incite violence against the secular governments and the west. But the only way to really fight the radicalization and brainwashing which is the root of all these attacks, you'd need to invest in the country's education and economy. Illiteracy and unemployment combined with a lot of grievances about social injustice and marginalisation are the main reasons why extremism is on the rise in these regions. Bombing the houses will have a counter-productive effect if these fundamental reasons are ignored.
Pakistan is the key player. Britain, USA and India need to find a way to get it back to something approaching normality, and I don't mean with another US invasion.
I know what you meant, but even so, they have no more clout than a Dubai or Iraq (pre-Bullshit days) has or had. Once the oil runs out, the House of Saud is quite literally fecked, and they will have fecked up the rest of the Muslim world while they were at it, due to them alligning themselves with the filthy Wahabbi scum from Najd two hundred years ago.
Also, let me clarify, the importance Saudi Arabia has, is largely symbolic, simply because of the fact that the Two Mosques are situated there, and personally, I couldnt give a rat's arse about Saudi outside of Hejaz, Mecca, and Medina, considering the fact that it is almost largely desert anyway, I dont think anyone else does either
But even focusing on specific areas will lead to an increase in Islamic Radicalisation. You have to remember, Pakistan is not the US, or the UK, or Canada, where even the working class (if it even exists) have the opportunity to progress. The vast majority in Pakistan are illiterate and ill-educated, and due to the feck-ups in charge there, they will remain so. When they see Iraq getting bombed, they see it as a War against Islam, no matter what the Correspondent may, or may not, say. How do you think the common villagers will react to their own country getting attacked?! It doesnt even bear thinking about IMHO...
The best way to solve the problem is to lend the support to Pakistan's own leaders to sort it out. Admittedly, that isnt going to be so easy when you have the self-styled "Mr 10%" in charge of the country, and its why I personally dont think Democracy will ever work in a country like Pakistan, well not in the next hundred years or so, but its the best long-term strategy.
No. I just hope tht people understnd my posts, rther thn think
s for these ttcks, I think it's probbly the Tmil Tigers. Why not eh?
No chance at all