US shouldnt do anything about it, let India do it
Gunmen attack Mumbai in at least seven places
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US shouldnt do anything about it, let India do it
Well, after over 50 hours it may be finally over at the Taj.
Just thought i'd let you know ithat in the last hour a new fire has taken hold at the Taj, black smoke ahs been billowing out for osme time, gun shtos and explosions all the while.
For safety reasons the fire brigade's ability to tackle the balze is somewhat limited.
One figure that hasn't been released in all this, is the fatalities and injuries to the armed forces, with hand grenades and bullets flying for coming up on three days it would seem a miracle if they came off unscathed.
EDIT: The above info it woud seemis out of date, unless there are still some hiding, Sultan's right, it oculd be over.
Whether they're all dead ro captured, or they engaged in soem form self cremation in that fire, it is unknown at this point.
For safety reasons the fire brigade's ability to tackle the balze is somewhat limited.
One figure that hasn't been released in all this, is the fatalities and injuries to the armed forces, with hand grenades and bullets flying for coming up on three days it would seem a miracle if they came off unscathed.
EDIT: The above info it woud seemis out of date, unless there are still some hiding, Sultan's right, it oculd be over.
Whether they're all dead ro captured, or they engaged in soem form self cremation in that fire, it is unknown at this point.
yeah, I agree the Pakistani leaders should be involved in any such effort against extremism, however it's also important to remember that you can't expect Zardari and co to be too effective in dealing with the terrorists and you can't allow the extremist nutjobs get a hold of the nukes either.... I think many people thought the same about Iraq, that the US invasion was seen as a war against Islam and that gave rise to even more terrorist attacks and instability, but also the fact taht these 'so-called' muslims were killing other fellow muslims backfired in the end, and now we've seen the sunnis as well as the shia muslims in large parts turning against the extremists in Iraq which has seen the country get better. I'm not suggesting a US invasion a la Iraq, but more serious crackdowns on the extremists than what Musharaf was doing a while back as well as a lot of help to boost literacy and alternatives to the extremist mosques.
CNN say that last two Terrorists are killed.
Finally the end?
Finally the end?
The terrorists apparently called a few numbers in Pakistan from their mobiles.
That really means nothing at this point tbf, especially in regards to the involvement of Pakistan's government. Personally, I dont think Pakistan wants anymore attention on them at the moment after what Obama has said about going in there
They were also reported speaking in Punjabi. They carried dollars, and had foreign credit cards on them!
The twats should have worn bright orange jackets with the legend: 'I am a terrorist'.
This is a wake up call to all us Indians. For so many years, we have been fed with sunshine stories about the efficiency of our commandos. In fact one NDTV commentator described them as the best in the world. But we saw the pathetic performance of these guys. Hundreds of them, and they let go of three terrorists from Nariman House. They take 60 hours to combat about 20 gunmen.
We really dont know how many of them were killed in there. That figure will never be divulged.
Lets hope sanity prevails, and the security services succeed in nipping such incidents in the bud in future.
Is that all there were anver 20?(I'd be surprised if there werent more) Yeah your forces were I have to say pathetic, that said it was a unique position in that hostages were all over the places as in the case of the two hotel, the Jewish hotel was far simpler and every second they waited on that you knew there was a better chance the Jews were going to get executed.
Punjabi in a peshwari accent. The police are suspecting Bin Ladden's involvement according to the local newspapers. As for the commandos, their job is not just to kill the terrorists. They would've stormed the places if thats the case. They have to protect the citizens while fighting the terrorists.
I have to question Al-Qaeda's involvement, they love taking credit for any and everything they do, they did they would have released a tape saying they did, also they released a tape a day ago which didnt mention a word about the attack
They were walking around in plain view of the windows some of them surely should have been sniped
That's what the media agencies said-about 20. Surely if the hostages were were scattered all over the place, you'd need at least two guys to hold a batch. Then you'd need another ten guys to take on the forces in combat. So, my guess is that there were more than 20. Dont know. How they kept going for over 60 hours is what bewilders me.
But, the crap that was being spewed out by the media is laughable. Lets see what nonsense they dish out after all this is over.
Personally I think there were a lot of sleepers in each hotel and that is why it took so long
It would have been quite effective too, each time the commandos thought they took out the terrorists more would pop up in a different location
This government has failed miserably, they don't care about people's security as long as their positions are secure. Lal Bahudur Shastri resigned his railway minister position accepting responsibility for a railway accident. Can you imagine the current Congress leaders doing anything like that after the number of attacks this year.
It has become a fad to demand the resignation of a government whenever there is an incident. However much any government tries to eliminate terrorist threats, there is always an element of escape for the terrorists.
The biggest terrorist attack, was, in my opinion, 9/11. Were there any demands for Bush to resign?
Tbf he has been ridiculed non stop for his behavior that morning
Ridiculed, yes. He looked a bloody clown with that scared face. But was he asked to resign?
No he wasn't... while many people felt he was incompetent, it was the Carl Rove and Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfelds that fed Bush lines that kept the ball rolling.
9.11 was such a devestating event to Americans, maybe it was assumed that the people behind the scenes knew what they were doing.
Who knows... ?
Sounds like a policy issue more than a people issue. Maybe the people in charge will wake up, if not they maybe India will see the 'Change' about to transform the US and make that same sort of people changes.
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Because India is the world player in the global markets, I think India will be reaching out to other countries for help with security.
They didn't take credit for 9/11 until it became blatantly obvious it was them after the video tape of Bin Laden planning the attack was released.
I think you overestimate the change that is gonna happen in the US with Obama, I certainly think things will improve, but come on you cant change all that's wrong here in 8 years let alone 20, as long as he gets the major issues right I am fine and doesnt feck anything up that isnt already broken I am fine as well
I'm quite sure it was announced on 9/11 if not by them, by the CIA at least who knew something big was in the offing
From the sound of things... he is going to disect the special interest's influence in Washington DC. You can expect the the special interest groups will do all they can to respond in a negative way. I am expecting Wall Street to fall bellow 7000 on the DOW Ind., just to show how much they disapprove of being disallowed to bribe govt. officials.
*(But I don't want to take this too far off topic)
Take it as far as you want, start an Obama president thread; feck the oil companies though, those cock suckers if anyone should be bailing out the car companies it is them, I reckon the price gouging was to generate enough revenue to set up electric stations in the near future, I mean there fecking profits the last two years are fecking staggering, especially when you look at the economy McDonalds and Coke aside; And it is the oil companies and the tobacco companies along with the financial corps that have power in DC it's fecking ridiculous and it has been getting worse
I'm not Christian, but at least Christians are willing to engage it some form of self criticism but Muslims seem react to any perceived criticism of anything related to Islam as an attack on their religion. The Satanic verses, the murder of Theo Van Gogh, the Danish cartoons, if anything is published to depict Islam in other than perfect light I think we know what the response will be.
Do you think any Muslim states would tolerate any such actions by minorities in their countries? How tolerant do you think they would be if Christians living in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan were calling for it to become a Christian state? There are many Muslims who live in the west very happy to reap the benefits and at the same time talking about or even participating in actions against the West and its allies. If it turns out some of these terrorist are British Muslims, I'm sure they will all of sudden proclaim their love for Britain if it means they can get some help from the Foreign Office.
I do believe that political Islam is an increasing threat to liberal western societies
True your average Muslim cannot be held responsible for the actions of a few idiots.
At the moment it seems that any criticism of Islam is met with an aggressive response.
But I do believe that the Muslim community is not doing enough to prevent its youngster falling under the influence of these fundamentalists, it seems the likes of Omar Bakri, Anjem Choudary et al are better at getting their message across than moderate Muslims to their young. Although to stop these people we will have to do this as a community as they threaten all of us and all of us will benefit if we can stop these idiots.
I'd love to hear some constructive ideas from yourself to help get the message out to youngsters better.
What makes you feel, or can you shed some evidence to say Choudhary, and Bakri are doing a better job of sending out their message?
True. All extreme right wing political thought muddied with religion is extremely dangerous. Before these incidents in Mumbai, Malegaon blasts was big news with the arrest of around a dozen terrorists belonging to a right wing Hindu party.
As an Indian yourself do you think India is on the verge of falling into such a trap with the ever increasing radicalsation of youths to various right wing racist elements within India? Could this could escalate into a major problem for communal relations in India?
You act as if India is Islamic or at least a large share of Islamic, it's 80 v 12 %, in the end this shit was just to draw Pakistan into the frame and still they will largely outnumbered. I am not looking fro a war, not one cent of me I would love to see the US take a seat back and laugh at other nations as has been done with the US recently, Islam is 1 large country away from big trouble in its stronghold the MIddle East, if the go after one of the three countries, Israel, Russia, especially, and China watch out for WWIII. It's one I wont mind as I reckon it is one we will win from the beginning
What the hell are you on about Psycho?
You'd like your country to take a back seat and want to laugh at others misery?
correct. alex take note!
This is never possible.
Let's all wait for the conclusion of investigations. Even then it's hardly likely we will get a complete picture. Rational minds will prevail, and for the betterment of India we will only ever hear on a need to know basis.
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It hasnt nothing to do with misery, look at this global economic crisis, while the US has fought a war on terror. Yet still it is denied by some on here, The US need protect the borders of one country, America, the rest of the world can feck out, no more handouts, no more mr nice guy. We are leavign you to do your shit, hell oil aside the US could get away with 3 trading partners beside on the borders(russia included), and probably 2 Russia exlcuded, why make this a war about the haves and haves not. Clearly some have chosen there side, look at Iran bankrupt despite the highest oil prices ever
It's a load, the one thing I really wanted to see after 9/11 especially right after Bush's speech was actually enormous air strike shock and awe style, I know it might have been a bit much but I mean the US tore up Afghansitan anyway, who cares when you do it. In the end I think the best way to get rid of terrorism is assassinate their leaders on site without trial by infiltrating them, and giving up the location or doing it themselvesIts true after all Mahatma Gandhi was silenced by a Hindu bigot
I'm well aware of the vile acts of terror committed by Hindu's most recently against India's Christian minority.
At times like this I'm afraid that extremists tend to prosper which is why I was referring to the likes of Omar Bakri et al but these radical preachers seem that it is every Muslims duty to convert the whole world to Islam. I don't know of any other religion which on such a wide scale adopts such a them and us philosophy.
Some fundamentalist Muslim traditionalists see that the world is divided into two houses: the House of Islamic Peace (Dar al-Salam), in which Muslim governments rule and Muslim law prevails, and the House of War (Dar al-Harb), the rest of the world, still inhabited. The presumption is that by natural law these domains will compete and fighting is inevitable therefore the duty of jihad will continue, interrupted only by truces, until all the world either adopts the Muslim faith or submits to Muslim rule.
I struggle to see the difference with the above beliefs and fascism.
Living in the UK I will focus on the situation here as its what I'm more familiar with but I do feel it that Muslims in Britain seem to lack WHAT I PERCEIVE TO BE any kind of positive leadership, maybe this is why these bigots prosper?
Read this MI5 article buddy. It's a very interesting read, and will change your notion about radicalisation, and the extent of religion involved.
Which site did you copy trash that from?
I wish you stopped your habit of editing posts after I have replied. Making my posts seem retarded.
I ws being fcetious, you nutcses.
Which site did you copy trash that from?
I wish you stopped your habit of editing posts after I have replied. Making my posts seem retarded.
It's not intentional I'm just posting when I take a break from studying so I don't take long and sometimes I do come and correct somethings
No intention of making you look retarded but did find your reply amusing