please do not degenerate the Jewish faith system with the actions of this hate mob. As I wrote above, Judaism has been hijacked bu 'Israel'.
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please do not degenerate the Jewish faith system with the actions of this hate mob. As I wrote above, Judaism has been hijacked bu 'Israel'.
You are seriously out of your mind, sammsky.
And has Islam been hijacked by Hamas or truly represented by them????
Please help me understand which-
Hamas has been looking forward to implement Allah's promise whatever time it might take. The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said:
"The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!
Cited by Bukhari and Muslim"
from the Hamas charter
After the rather odd decision to lock the other thread I'll use this one to get the ball rolling again.
Latest news:
UN chief wants Gaza conflict halt
The UN secretary general has implored Israel and Palestinian militants to halt the fighting in Gaza immediately.
Ahead of a trip to the region to push for a truce, Ban Ki-moon said too many people had died and there had been too much civilian suffering.
His call came as Israeli ground forces and tanks moved deeper into Gaza City, with a BBC producer there saying he could hear shooting from tanks.
Nearly 30 rockets or mortars were fired on Israel from Gaza on Monday.
Early on Tuesday, the 18th day of the conflict, Israeli troops advanced in the southern and eastern suburbs of Gaza City, backed by artillery and helicopters.
The western areas of the city came under shellfire from Israeli gunboats.
The Israeli military has denied a Hamas claim that it had destroyed two Israeli tanks.
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Palestinian militants will keep on feeling Israel's "iron fist" as long as Hamas fires rockets at Israel.
But a senior Hamas leader, Ismail Haniya, said the group was "approaching victory".
"After 17 days of this foolish war, Gaza has not been broken and Gaza will not collapse," he said in a televised address from a secret location in Gaza.
Both Hamas and Israel rejected last week's UN Security Council resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire.
Palestinian medical sources say 910 people have been killed in Gaza so far, of whom 292 were children and 75 were women. Israeli officials say 13 Israelis, including three civilians, have been killed.
On Monday, casualty reports from Palestinian medics ranged from nine to 26 dead, while Israel said five of its soldiers had been injured, one of them seriously.
Israel is preventing international journalists from entering Gaza, making it impossible to independently confirm casualty figures.
"My message is simple, direct and to the point: the fighting must stop," Mr Ban told a news conference in New York ahead of his departure on Tuesday for the Middle East.
"In Gaza, the very foundation of society is being destroyed: people's homes, civic infrastructure, public health facilities and schools."
His diplomatic tour will see talks with the leaders of Egypt, Israel and Syria as well as the Palestinian president in Ramallah.
However UN officials say he will not be meeting representatives of Hamas, and it is not clear whether he will go to Gaza itself during his week-long trip.
Meanwhile reports suggest diplomatic efforts between Egypt and Hamas in Cairo are progressing.
After meeting Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, Middle East Quartet envoy Tony Blair said the elements were in place for a ceasefire agreement.
"I am hopeful we can put an agreement together but it's going to have to be worked on very hard and it's got to be credible," he told journalists.
On Monday as Israel continued its air and ground offensive, Hamas said it had been involved in fighting with Israeli troops in several districts.
There were reports of fierce fighting around Gaza City ahead of the daily three-hour truce to allow aid deliveries to Gaza.
Some Israeli reservists are in action on the ground, but the army denied escalating the war to a "third phase" - an all-out push on Gaza City and other towns.
Reservists are reported to be securing areas gained in the fighting.
The chief military spokesman, Brig Gen Avi Benayahu, said thousands more - who would comprise a new, expanded phase in the ground operation if it was ordered - were still in training and had not been deployed.
Israel hopes the scale of its operation will greatly reduce the number of missiles fired from Gaza into southern Israel, while eroding support for Hamas.
As the fighting continued, a spokesman for the charity Save the Children said it was impossible for aid workers to do their jobs.
"We need the violence to stop. We need the attacks to stop. It's only when that happens that we will be able to operate," Benedict Dempsey said.
Aid agencies say Gaza's 1.5 million residents are in urgent need of food and medical aid.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7825480.stm
Latest news:
UN chief wants Gaza conflict halt
The UN secretary general has implored Israel and Palestinian militants to halt the fighting in Gaza immediately.
Ahead of a trip to the region to push for a truce, Ban Ki-moon said too many people had died and there had been too much civilian suffering.
His call came as Israeli ground forces and tanks moved deeper into Gaza City, with a BBC producer there saying he could hear shooting from tanks.
Nearly 30 rockets or mortars were fired on Israel from Gaza on Monday.
Early on Tuesday, the 18th day of the conflict, Israeli troops advanced in the southern and eastern suburbs of Gaza City, backed by artillery and helicopters.
The western areas of the city came under shellfire from Israeli gunboats.
The Israeli military has denied a Hamas claim that it had destroyed two Israeli tanks.
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Palestinian militants will keep on feeling Israel's "iron fist" as long as Hamas fires rockets at Israel.
But a senior Hamas leader, Ismail Haniya, said the group was "approaching victory".
"After 17 days of this foolish war, Gaza has not been broken and Gaza will not collapse," he said in a televised address from a secret location in Gaza.
Both Hamas and Israel rejected last week's UN Security Council resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire.
Palestinian medical sources say 910 people have been killed in Gaza so far, of whom 292 were children and 75 were women. Israeli officials say 13 Israelis, including three civilians, have been killed.
On Monday, casualty reports from Palestinian medics ranged from nine to 26 dead, while Israel said five of its soldiers had been injured, one of them seriously.
Israel is preventing international journalists from entering Gaza, making it impossible to independently confirm casualty figures.
"My message is simple, direct and to the point: the fighting must stop," Mr Ban told a news conference in New York ahead of his departure on Tuesday for the Middle East.
"In Gaza, the very foundation of society is being destroyed: people's homes, civic infrastructure, public health facilities and schools."
His diplomatic tour will see talks with the leaders of Egypt, Israel and Syria as well as the Palestinian president in Ramallah.
However UN officials say he will not be meeting representatives of Hamas, and it is not clear whether he will go to Gaza itself during his week-long trip.
Meanwhile reports suggest diplomatic efforts between Egypt and Hamas in Cairo are progressing.
After meeting Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, Middle East Quartet envoy Tony Blair said the elements were in place for a ceasefire agreement.
"I am hopeful we can put an agreement together but it's going to have to be worked on very hard and it's got to be credible," he told journalists.
On Monday as Israel continued its air and ground offensive, Hamas said it had been involved in fighting with Israeli troops in several districts.
There were reports of fierce fighting around Gaza City ahead of the daily three-hour truce to allow aid deliveries to Gaza.
Some Israeli reservists are in action on the ground, but the army denied escalating the war to a "third phase" - an all-out push on Gaza City and other towns.
Reservists are reported to be securing areas gained in the fighting.
The chief military spokesman, Brig Gen Avi Benayahu, said thousands more - who would comprise a new, expanded phase in the ground operation if it was ordered - were still in training and had not been deployed.
Israel hopes the scale of its operation will greatly reduce the number of missiles fired from Gaza into southern Israel, while eroding support for Hamas.
As the fighting continued, a spokesman for the charity Save the Children said it was impossible for aid workers to do their jobs.
"We need the violence to stop. We need the attacks to stop. It's only when that happens that we will be able to operate," Benedict Dempsey said.
Aid agencies say Gaza's 1.5 million residents are in urgent need of food and medical aid.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7825480.stm
Thank goodness - if I heard 'Something So Strong' one more time I would have just screamed....
Our basic rules include (but are not limited too):
* No racism, bigotry or comments suggesting child abuse – We will enforce this strictly, any racism/Bigotry towards fellow board members will result in an immediate banning.
I guess it was easier to close the thread than deal with those who didn't follow the forum's rules. On other occasions similar outbursts resulted in threads deleted altogether. All sorts of supranatuaral shit happens on the CE forum.
One admins is a Muslim, and others are indulging in anti -Semitism.
We're all scheming against the poor Israelis'.
We're all scheming against the poor Israelis'.
Seriously though, the deleted thread stopped being constructive, and this has started going the very same way.
Those threads are rarely constructive, but so are the "let's all laugh at..." threads and they are never closed.
One poster ignored the rules, and your request to chill, and was allowed to go on with his hate-filled posts and disgusting personal outbursts. No ban, but thread closed.
Freedom of expression.
It wasn't one particular Muslim poster as you'd like to point out. I can't be bothered going through many more retarded posts. Stop being paranoid. We're not all into hating those we don't agree with.
There isn't a "we" there, Sultan. I never implied that decisions of moderators were based on "hate". I did point out that your (understandable) bias regarding the ME conflict influences the way you moderate specific threads. I think that, with few exceptions, we managed to exchange points of view despite the disagreement and emotional involvement on both sides. That in itself makes this forum constructive, even though we're unlikely to come up with a magic formula that politicians or peace negotiators haven't already proposed.
Leaving the threads intact though, unlike a previous occasion, allows (the few) interested posters to decide for themselves whether this is about paranoia or not. Thanks.
Very well.
I've opened the thread. If you guys think I called wrongly in closing the thread closed carry on with what you call debate.
I've opened the thread. If you guys think I called wrongly in closing the thread closed carry on with what you call debate.
Appreciate your attitude to this Sultan.
[/quote]For civilian means yes. Iran are not as stupid as people like Bush think. Yes they talk big, brash and with a lot of venomous rhetoric through dumb ass men like Ahmedenejad . But they know darn well the West and most of the world would never tolalerate them having nuclear weapons. Sadaam was a prime example of what happens to those who try.
Most importantly, believe it or not. their leaders know Iran would cease to exist if they ever let Hamas and Hezzbollah hit Israel with even the smallest nuclear device, if it came from them. They are not about to sacrifice their nation for a direct rumble with Israel. That is why even though they've technically been at war with Israel for decades. They will never attack first. Especially in such a manner.
For civilian means yes. Iran are not as stupid as people like Bush think. Yes they talk big, brash and with a lot of venomous rhetoric through dumb ass men like Ahmedenejad . But they know darn well the West and most of the world would never tolalerate them having nuclear weapons. Sadaam was a prime example of what happens to those who try.
Most importantly, believe it or not. their leaders know Iran would cease to exist if they ever let Hamas and Hezzbollah hit Israel with even the smallest nuclear device, if it came from them. They are not about to sacrifice their nation for a direct rumble with Israel. That is why even though they've technically been at war with Israel for decades. They will never attack first. Especially in such a manner.[/QUOTE]
Like it deterred Syria.
I'm sorry but I don't share your confidence.
Most importantly, believe it or not. their leaders know Iran would cease to exist if they ever let Hamas and Hezzbollah hit Israel with even the smallest nuclear device, if it came from them. They are not about to sacrifice their nation for a direct rumble with Israel. That is why even though they've technically been at war with Israel for decades. They will never attack first. Especially in such a manner.[/QUOTE]
Like it deterred Syria.
I'm sorry but I don't share your confidence.
Only Bush, Bushites and Netanyahu have ever thought it's
a good idea.
He was never right. When in power he went out of his way to make those Oslo agreements useless by wanting to make no concessions. Which IIRCC lead to the second intifada. Which ultimately sowed the seeds of this conflict. Netanyahu started the sparks that turned into this current fire. He is no prophet of truth but a harbinger of doom. I shudder to think the mayhem he would cause if he got power again and made good on his desire to attack Iran Bush style ("premptive strike before solid evidence").
What happens when a fly falls into a coffee cup?
The Italian - throws the cup, breaks it, and walks away in a fit of rage.
The German - carefully washes the cup, sterilizes it and makes a new cup of coffee.
The Frenchman - takes out the fly, and drinks the coffee.
The Chinese - eats the fly and throws away the coffee.
The Russian - Drinks the coffee with the fly, since it was extra with no charge.
The Israeli - sells the coffee to the Frenchman, the fly to the Chinese, drinks tea and uses the extra money to invent a device that prevents flies from falling into coffee.
The Palestinian - blames the Israeli for the fly falling in his coffee, protests the act of aggression to the UN, takes a loan from the European Union to buy a new cup of coffee, uses the money to purchase explosives and then blows up the coffee house where the Italian, the Frenchman, the Chinese, the German and the Russian are all trying to explain to the Israeli that he should give away his cup of tea to the Palestinian.
I dont belive they are any closer to getting Nuclear weapons & Syria are not Iran. Syria is ran by hot headed and naive politicians. Who run on emotion most of the time. That is why at one point they want to negotiate with Israel and at the other they want war. Iran are far more calculating and intellgent advasary
You have nothing to be sorry about. I fully understand your pessimism, for you and country men cant afford to be wrong about Iran.
I'll just say one thing though. When Netanyahu was in power a long while back he swore the Iranians were close to having nuclear weapons and should be stopped dead in their tracks. Cooler heads prevailed then and still even now Iran with they rhetoric and current mad leader haven't got any. Furthermore I believe they are still cowards. Their use of Hezbollah and despicable Hamas to disturb Israel shows they wouldn't dare want a direct rumble with Israel. They prefer indirect war or war by proxy. Which any concrete sign of them having a nuclear weapon would bring to a deadly end. They are basically like a child throwing stones at a dangerous dog from with in the comfort of a gated compound. They wont dare open gate. They aren't willing to pay the price of teeth marks.
Bibi, as we call him, honoured the Oslo agreements and handed Hebron to the Palestinians. The second "intifada" happened during Barak's tenure as PM.
As for Iran, it would be impossible to strike them before soild evidence, because these evidence are already on the table.
So does Netanyahu support a two-state solution then?
He does. Both of them Jewish 
Wow!!!
I don't recall a thread, ever becoming 'Unlocked'...
Let the games commence!
Oh, and enough of all this pussy-footin' around. This is war God-Damnit!!!
*Dear Sultan, Please don't ban me... I'm only trying to get people in the spirit of speaking there minds, again.
I don't recall a thread, ever becoming 'Unlocked'...
Let the games commence!
Oh, and enough of all this pussy-footin' around. This is war God-Damnit!!!
*Dear Sultan, Please don't ban me... I'm only trying to get people in the spirit of speaking there minds, again.
Canada votes alone for Israel
Does this make Canada evil, well more evil than before?
The Toronto Star said:
Does this make Canada evil, well more evil than before?
No, it doesn't make Canada evil, but you might find it more difficult to find Kosher salt on the shelves of the Canadian markets, from here on out.
The two things that it may reflect...
- Canada might not have the Jewish lobby that most countries have.
- Canada is now a country that shows more courage in speaking out about the brutal slaughter of children.
I think he misread the post?
I did misread...
Still waking up here, my bad.
Even still... Canadians aren't evil, they've got the same issue as the United States. They don't have a government that reflects the same concerns as the majority of the people that they represent.
Yesterday, George Bush spent the day joking with the press, with little or no concern about what is going on in Israel.
Plech, you have almost always avoided the chance to engage in conversation with me. I'm sure you'll have a Neo-Connish snipey answer for not discussing this topic, like a man, but that's ok.
I want to offer an open discussion, as many people seem to respect your writing ability. I ask you, are you able to discuss without becoming insulting? I am.
Yes, because suicide bombers and rocket launchers don't ever kill or maim children.
Yes, because suicide bombers and rocket launchers don't ever kill or maim children.
They most certainly do... and the suicide bombers have delivered nothing less than a hellish existance to their people.
Having dealt with that... what is the part of the Israeli people?
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To show that I hold not favorites in this conflict:
The insane rants of a madman - the head of Hamas speaks out yesterday.
Hamas kept up its defiance in the face of the onslaught, vowing it would emerge victorious, but said it was ready to examine truce initiatives.
In a rare televised address Monday, Hamas leader Ismail Haniya vowed: "We are approaching victory."
"I tell you that after 17 days of this foolish war, Gaza has not been broken and Gaza will not fall," said the head of the Hamas government in Gaza, which the Islamists seized from forces loyal to moderate Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas in June 2007.
But Haniya, who isn't considered to wield influence over the group's armed wing, said the Islamists were ready to "examine in a positive manner any initiative which can put an end to this aggression and the blood of our children being shed."
A Hamas delegation has been holding talks in Egypt on a Western-backed proposal by President Hosni Mubarak on how to end the fighting.
Haniya also said the "blood of children" who have been killed in the conflict would serve as a "curse which will come back to haunt" U.S. President George W. Bush.
http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/N...ael, Hamas Locked In Fierce Gaza City Clashes
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As so many people have stated, there are no winners in this conflict, there are only growing problems.
And the closing comment by Ismail Haniya about Bush...
It's retarded, if anyone knows Bush... he doesn't care, and he's leaving office and will not give this situation a second thought beyone Jan. 20th.
Keep laughing, baby killer.
In defense of our beloved baby killing horn wearing Jewish brothers, babies are delicious.
Can you rephrase the question? I don't quite understand what you are getting at.
Hardly surprising. you're killing seal pups, we're killing human pups. A match made in heaven.
And let's make no mistake...
Hamas are just as much the baby killers of both Jewish children ... but more so, they have been responsible for allowing their own children to be butchered.
As I've stated in the past... both sides behave like rabbid animals.
Hamas are just as much the baby killers of both Jewish children ... but more so, they have been responsible for allowing their own children to be butchered.
As I've stated in the past... both sides behave like rabbid animals.
We all need to not allow these people to bait us into having this thread locked down.
Composure people... hold steady!
You lot could teach the northern irish a thing or two. You're making us look like pussies.
The Footprints of Genocidal Tendencies
The ZIONIST IDEOLOGY.
ISRAELI PRIME MINISTERS’S QUOTES
Prime minister’s quotes:
1- David Ben Gurion
Prime Minister of Israel
1949 - 1954,
1955 - 1963
"We must expel Arabs and take their places."
-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.
2- Golda Meir
Prime Minister of Israel
1969 - 1974
"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."
-- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.
"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to."
-- Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.
"Anyone who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen."
-- Golda Meir, 1961, in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961
"This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy."
-- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971
3- Menachem Begin
Prime Minister of Israel
1977 - 1983
"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.
"The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever."
-- Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine.
4-Yizhak Shamir
Prime Minister of Israel
1983 - 1984,
1986 - 1992
"The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future generations, for the mass aliya (=Jewish immigration), and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country."
-- Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for former Likud leaders, November 1990. Jerusalem Domestic Radio Service.
"The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple."
-- Yitzhak Shamir, Maariv, 02/21/1997.
"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
Taken from:
http://www.monabaker.com/quotes.htm
"The dream of Greater Israel -a homeland for the Jewish people from the Nile to Euphrates- which inspired the founding fathers of Zionism, was already dead."
Olmert 2008
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I was going to write an essay on the evolving aggressive situation that the Israeli government have stood behind for more than 100 years, but I found this list of quotes that says it all...
Now I ask... the chicken or the egg question. Who denied who's existance first? It is looking as if the Jewish people evicted the Palestinian people, then created a constitutional belief that they never existed.
I offer the wisdom of one of America's most well respected writers on our current state of consciousness and spiritual dysfunction:
Eckheart Tolle - Book Title, A New Earth pages 72 -73
The Ego is Not Personal
On a collective level, the mind-set "We are right and they are wrong" is particularly deeply entrenched in those parts of the world where conflict between two nations, races, tribes, religions, or ideologies is long-standing, extreme, and endemic. Both sides of the conflict are equally indentified with their own perspective, their own "story," that is to say identified with thought. Both are equally incapable of seeing that another perspective, another story, may exist and also be valid. Israeli writer Y. Halevi speaks of the posibility of "accomodating a competitive narrative," but in many parts of the world, people are not yet able or willing to do that. Both sides regard themselves as the victim and the "other" as evil, and because the have conceptualized and thereby dehumanized the other as the enemy, they can kill and inflict all kinds of violence on the other, even on children, without feeling their humanity and suffering. They become trapped in an insane spiral of perpetration and retribution, action, and reaction.