no, it says he's another rambling idiot
lady thatcher
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Rambling yes. Idiot - the jury's out. But with remarks like that one about Thatcher ruining the UK economy, he'd better be sure to engage his brain next time.
It's a bit like - no, actually it's a lot like - saying Sir Alex Ferguson ruined Manchester United's record of success.
I'm suggesting that Thatcherism - from Thatcher to Major to Blair to Brown - has got us into the situation we are in now. That is correct.
Personally I'm doing great out of it. Us middle classes are fine and dandy - nice job, nice house, nice garden, nice car, nice pension, nice bird, kiddie on the way... But I just have to drive a couple of miles up the road and I see the devestation that it's left.
But what's more, I'm amazed that on a football chatroom for MUFC anyone defends that woman. She hated football and she hated Manchester. She did everything in her power to destroy both, but we're still here. And we will be popping the champagne corks when the crazy evil old bat pops her clogs (unlike yourself topper, who I believe fled the capitalist heaven she created a long time ago
).I'm suggesting that Thatcherism - from Thatcher to Major to Blair to Brown - has got us into the situation we are in now. That is correct.
Personally I'm doing great out of it. Us middle classes are fine and dandy - nice job, nice house, nice garden, nice car, nice pension, nice bird, kiddie on the way... But I just have to drive a couple of miles up the road and I see the devestation that it's left.
But what's more, I'm amazed that on a football chatroom for MUFC anyone defends that woman. She hated football and she hated Manchester. She did everything in her power to destroy both, but we're still here. And we will be popping the champagne corks when the crazy evil old bat pops her clogs (unlike yourself topper, who I believe fled the capitalist heaven she created a long time ago
Try and imagine what it would have been like if maggie hadn´t stuffed the unions - no doubt Comrade Aurthur would still be modelling the UK on the USSR Utopia he experienced first hand
As for Maggie v United - for the greater good my friend Britain over United every time
I fled Blighty because of what Wilson and his pals didn´t do and at the time didn´t believe Maggie would take on the Unions mate and should Browns boys stay in power here I stayExcept when it actually comes to living here.
*reconsiders decision never to vote Labour again*
Depends on your view as to whether a strong manufacturing base is necessary for a strong economy in the long run. The French and Germans would say that it is, but our "modern" economists would say not. Another decade or two might show who's right. Either way Thatcher certainly presided over a massive decline in British manufacturing, which at a time of large windfalls from oil revenue and state sell-offs was some achievement.
By the end of Thatcher's time Britain had virtually no world-class industries left. Rollys Royce aero of course, but even they wouldn't have been there if Thatcher had been in power when they needed govenment help.
Interesting to see an see an earlier reference to Healey's IMF loan in the 60s, quite often brought up, which was paid back in 18 months, compared to these windfalls, which of course needed no repayment at all, and are rarely mentioned by anyone.
Except when it actually comes to living here.
*reconsiders decision never to vote Labour again*
Well that cnut Bliar and even bigger cnut Clown put the mockers on that and besides I have family and friends there so want the best for them
you sound like the labour sheep rosette voter - only considering afer all this
one could argue that this decline was first brought about in the days of Union power which fought against any modernising plans and equpiment which involved shedding workers. By the time this was remedied our continental/Jap/US competitors had gained an unassailable advantage and our own indigenous industries were unable to catch up. The car print and steel industries imo opinion were classic examples where our industries were operating old plant and machinery for far too long and so our products were not competitive and died or were sold into foreign ownership.
you sound like the labour sheep rosette voter - only considering afer all this
Eh?
I've not voted Labour since 1997.
Just a matter of interest:
Thatcher - would ya?
Thatcher - would ya?
Like a rat up a drainpipe...
Just check out the coy look in her eyes.
She loves a good pole (tax), oh yes.
Eh?
I've not voted Labour since 1997.
no liking for New Labour
doesn´t surprise me but summat afore this came along was kosher ??What a load of absolute fecking garbage you spout.... your hate filled rhetoric serves no good purpose, it serves only to continue the uneducated bigotry that has plagued our country for so long.... you should have more sense given your age.....grow the feck up!
One could argue that if one wanted to believe that a government in power for 18 years, and blessed by oil and privatisation money, should bear no responsibility at all for the catastrophic decline in industry that took place on their long, long, watch. Unions have created problems for employers all over the world since they were created, the difference being that in other countries governments learned to deal with them and also retain significant industry.
The reason British industry died was that Thatcher deliberately failed to support it as she saw it's death as a necessary casualty in her relentless class war. It is the memory of this very class war that causes currrent top tories to squirm in their seats whenever her name is brought up.
Thankfully, if Cameron wins he does seem to be more of a "one nation" tory, at least he pretends to want to represent the whole country. If it turns out that he really does I'll get the old blue rosette out, for a while anyway.
Just check out the coy look in her eyes.
She loves a good pole (tax), oh yes.
what a wonderful woman
The one thing you can say about her, as this thread shows. She was divisive in her style.
The things people claim she did for the UK are vague and generally unsupported by fact and it was then and is now noticeable that she was more popular the further away from her you lived. If you take her policies and really take a close look at the major (not John) problems we have today, it is striking how many correlate.
Are the trains better in private hands? Are the hospitals cleaner now that cleaning is contracted out? Do we have better energy security looking forward? Do we have an abundance of good quality affordable housing?
Unemployment rose under her and public spending rose and public services declined. I just don't see the great legacy issue that you can point to as a lasting testament to her genius. Some rich people got richer and found it much easier to push everyone else around.
On the other hand if you were a Shipbuilder, Steelworker, Docker, Miner, Fisherman, Textile worker, this list goes on and on, she was an unmitigated disaster. These industries were not replaced by new innovations and are still going strong in other countries. We turned our back on them, called them sunset industries a decided to become bankers and a service economy and work in call centres.
She signed on to the EU agenda then later suggested it was a terrible mistake and her own party kicked her out. Her party is shamed by her name and has spent the best part of the last ten years trying to live it down. Though some diehards and political hold outs still cling to the misty eyed Iron Lady bullshit myth.
The things people claim she did for the UK are vague and generally unsupported by fact and it was then and is now noticeable that she was more popular the further away from her you lived. If you take her policies and really take a close look at the major (not John) problems we have today, it is striking how many correlate.
Are the trains better in private hands? Are the hospitals cleaner now that cleaning is contracted out? Do we have better energy security looking forward? Do we have an abundance of good quality affordable housing?
Unemployment rose under her and public spending rose and public services declined. I just don't see the great legacy issue that you can point to as a lasting testament to her genius. Some rich people got richer and found it much easier to push everyone else around.
On the other hand if you were a Shipbuilder, Steelworker, Docker, Miner, Fisherman, Textile worker, this list goes on and on, she was an unmitigated disaster. These industries were not replaced by new innovations and are still going strong in other countries. We turned our back on them, called them sunset industries a decided to become bankers and a service economy and work in call centres.
She signed on to the EU agenda then later suggested it was a terrible mistake and her own party kicked her out. Her party is shamed by her name and has spent the best part of the last ten years trying to live it down. Though some diehards and political hold outs still cling to the misty eyed Iron Lady bullshit myth.
They certainly did kick her out, and then shunned her too. Conveniently forgotten, by some.
no liking for New Labour
I'm a socialist. I believe in social justice and state ownership. So obviously I'm not going to vote for a party following a Thatcherite mantra, be they Tory or New Labour.
Manchester's always had a fine left-wing political tradition - Peterloo, the formation of the TUC, the suffragette movement... and of course The Condition of the Working Class in England - penned in Manchester central library.
If they tried to have a minute's silence at OT when the witch finally pops her clogs it'll be mayhem. My advice to those who don't want to see mass celebration and gloating is stay out of Manchester.
"All I know" (well, obviously not all I know, but it's a telling fact in itself) is that the leader for the worst kind of right-wing populist party in Norway has been labeled the "Norwegian Thatcher" by many people, including the British Conservatives themselves.
I don't know that much about Thatcher, apart from her demolishing the Unions and some major industries, but I don't think I'd like living in Britain under her if she's anything like Siv Jensen. My biggest fear at the moment is actually her party (which is hideously big) winning the election and getting into government. The first thing they'd do is privatize health, education and, why not, the oil industry. They'd then proceed to put in an immigration ban (only for non-western immigrants, obviously) and demolish the social security system.
This woman makes me rant.
I don't know that much about Thatcher, apart from her demolishing the Unions and some major industries, but I don't think I'd like living in Britain under her if she's anything like Siv Jensen. My biggest fear at the moment is actually her party (which is hideously big) winning the election and getting into government. The first thing they'd do is privatize health, education and, why not, the oil industry. They'd then proceed to put in an immigration ban (only for non-western immigrants, obviously) and demolish the social security system.
This woman makes me rant.
Major, not Thatcher, privatised the railways.
No world class industries? Telecommunications, banking, pharma, oil, airlines, defence for starters.
I admit that I meant to have said manufacturing industries, and pharmaceuticals were very much in my mind when I said virtually none, and not just none.
The defence sector is difficult to judge because it is not truly open to competition, and this is one industry even the tories supported.
I presume your inclusion of banking is meant to be amusing, the British taxpayer shall be paying for it's "success" for decades.
so now you´re blaming Thatcher for the cock ups of Bliar/Brown -
I really shouldn´t be surprisedso now you´re blaming Thatcher for the cock ups of Bliar/Brown -
Who said that? I made it clear I was trying to talk about manufacturing.
Your mate gave banks as an example of success, which I found odd enough to comment on, rightly or wrongly, but I didn't mention politicians of any colour. If I were to I would have to start with American ones don't you think? Well, perhaps not.
OK, so which of Thatcher's privatised industries are you happy with.
you missed my point - the UK banks were great until Bliar and Brown arrived and what happened in US would not have caused such an impact in UK as it did if Bliar Brown and Co had maintained the requisite due diligence - don´t you think ? well perhaps not
You said world class. And they are. Everyone else's banks are equally fcuked, of course.
In the sense of what?
I dare say it would have, it's a pity no country seems to have done it.
Your style is much improved by the way, keep it up.
I dare say it would have, it's a pity no country seems to have done it.
Your style is much improved by the way, keep it up.
the Spanish banking system for one is in a much better state than UK
Your posts are much improved by the way, keep it up
It amazes me that some many on this thread would advocate socialism..... Everything should be privately run, the government should have no interests in any business. Just because some privately run business are run badly, like trains etc doesn't mean they are better off in the hands of the government, it just means the people who are currently running them are doing a bad job...simple!......
Simple truth is political science and especially economist scholars view Thatcher more positive than negative, she had the balls (literally) to make big decisions, decisions that most others would shy away from, she was fearless and had clear vision of what she wanted, when was the last time the UK had a leader like that.... the procession of weak, visionless numpties has been quite embarrassing to be frank, but this kind of "PC, safe, lead by popular opinion style" probably suits so many.......Incredible!!
Simple truth is political science and especially economist scholars view Thatcher more positive than negative, she had the balls (literally) to make big decisions, decisions that most others would shy away from, she was fearless and had clear vision of what she wanted, when was the last time the UK had a leader like that.... the procession of weak, visionless numpties has been quite embarrassing to be frank, but this kind of "PC, safe, lead by popular opinion style" probably suits so many.......Incredible!!
..because they'd run out of North Sea oil money to prop up the economic shambles that would otherwise have occurred and needed sponds. Selling our family silver to their mates at knock down prices for cash..
I'm glad someone's is, although you might find the list of banking systems that are fecked is a little longer.
Thanks for the complement though, it's so hard to find originality these days.
Only because Thatcher didn't have the balls. But privatisation of the railways was a Thatcherite policy, which ever way you look at it.