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Was just giving him the benefit of the doubt, to be fair. I do remember him saying he watches a lot of youth tournaments as well, whether that's true or not isn't for me to judge.

But yeah, there is a lot of hype about a young lad that barely anyone's actually seen that only cost £3m, more so than I'd ever imagined. He's not the first one I'd seen saying Obertan would push Valencia out of the team.
 
Mainoldo said:
But what does that have to do with anything...? Your just going off subject?! Plus Valencia plays for friggin Ecuador.. Dela Cruz is hardly Frank Ribery!!

But its okay i'm sure Valencia will turn out to be a better player than Obertan in the long run... 'He was voted the best young talents of the tournment you know!!' can't argue with that Paul Scholes hasn't got that on his C.V. Most be good.
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Christ, we've found Mcfeckwit Jnr.
 
Mainoldo said:
But what does that have to do with anything...? Your just going off subject?! Plus Valencia plays for friggin Ecuador.. Dela Cruz is hardly Frank Ribery!!

But its okay i'm sure Valencia will turn out to be a better player than Obertan in the long run... 'He was voted the best young talents of the tournment you know!!' can't argue with that Paul Scholes hasn't got that on his C.V. Most be good.
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What the feck are you going on about now?

I have no idea if Valencia will turn out to be a better player than Obertan or not. What I do know is that he's already achieved much more than Obertan, like holding down a place in the starting line-up of a top flight team. Hence he was valued at over £15m quid and Obertan cost a fraction of that fee.

You then made a retarded claim about Obertan being so good he would make Valencia seem like a waste of money and haven't provided a single scrap of evidence to back this up. feck it, you haven't even denied my accusation that you're basing your opinion on youtube.

In other words, you've made a wild and completely unsubstantiated claim, got called out on it and have been spouting a load of shite since.

Actually, datura has a point...
 
AlwynP said:
I have to say that I didn't actually notice that. If there was any attribute of Giggsy's that you could transfer to Nani it would have to be the intelligence, withoot a doot.

His technical and physical attributes are there for all to see, but what use is a big engine and flashy spoiler if the onboard computer is wank?

Decision making [or indecisiveness thereof] is his big flaw.
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If only brain transplants were possible.
 
gaffs said:
To be fair Pogue, I doubt Valencia would have been playing in the 2006 World Cup if were French.

But still - Obertan has shown very little so far. Valencia is a proven quality player.
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That's a fair point.

What's retarded, is claiming that a player who still has it all to prove will make Valencia - who's proved a lot already - seem like a waste of money.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
What the feck are you going on about now?

I have no idea if Valencia will turn out to be a better player than Obertan or not. What I do know is that he's already achieved much more than Obertan, like holding down a place in the starting line-up of a top flight team. Hence he was valued at over £15m quid and Obertan cost a fraction of that fee.

You then made a retarded claim about Obertan being so good he would make Valencia seem like a waste of money and haven't provided a single scrap of evidence to back this up. feck it, you haven't even denied my accusation that you're basing your opinion on youtube.

In other words, you've made a wild and completely unsubstantiated claim, got called out on it and have been spouting a load of shite since.

Actually, datura has a point...
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Just because you never heard of him doesn't mean i never... But yes for you i am a FM/youtube muppet.....

Listen the claim was basically that Obertan will turn out to be a better buy than Valencia what ever context you took it as was just your brain working overtime... next time i will try dumb things down for you. I would have actually stuck on subject maybe even explained why i think he will turn out to be better but then you starting talking about been a young Ecuadorian wizard in the last world cup... plus adding stupid claims about Obertan being in the next world cup which we all know will not happen, it's not like they are crying out for him to become good!!
 
Mainoldo - whats so special about Obertan?

I have never seen the guy play to be honest - not that i recall anyway. I would be interested to know as there are few people that have seen him.
 
Mainoldo said:
Just because you never heard of him doesn't mean i never... But yes for you i am a FM/youtube muppet.....

Listen the claim was basically that Obertan will turn out to be a better buy than Valencia what ever context you took it as was just your brain working overtime... next time i will try dumb things down for you. I would have actually stuck on subject maybe even explained why i think he will turn out to be better but then you starting talking about been a young Ecuadorian wizard in the last world cup... plus adding stupid claims about Obertan being in the next world cup which we all know will not happen, it's not like they are crying out for him to become good!!
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If you're not, how many times have you seen him play?

On what basis are you making such a bold claim?
 
gaffs said:
Mainoldo - whats so special about Obertan?

I have never seen the guy play to be honest - not that i recall anyway. I would be interested to know as there are few people that have seen him.
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I've watch him play one game, for France U-21s against England U-21.

I thought he looked really good in that game. Mind you, so did James Milner.
 
gaffs said:
Mainoldo - whats so special about Obertan?

I have never seen the guy play to be honest - not that i recall anyway. I would be interested to know as there are few people that have seen him.
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Seen him play throughout the Touloun tournment, watched him once for Bordeaux. The guy like Valencia has blistering pace, although very langery he is strong on the ball. His crossing and shooting are average but hopefully it will get better as he gets older. But basically i feel he has more variety in his play than Valencia also being less rigid. He will need to improve on his end product in the final third, i don't expect him to be as good as Valencia is now but he will have far more to offer in the future. Thats why i said what i said.
 
Mainoldo said:
Seen him play throughout the Touloun tournment, watched him once for Bordeaux. The guy like Valencia has blistering pace, although very langery he is strong on the ball. His crossing and shooting are average but hopefully it will get better as he gets older. But basically i feel he has more variety in his play than Valencia also being less rigid. He will need to improve on his end product in the final third, i don't expect him to be as good as Valencia is now but he will have far more to offer in the future. Thats why i said what i said.
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Thats fair enough.

Thats probably why Fergie took a punt on him.
 
Nani Turns to Cristiano Aid

Under-fire Red Devils winger turns to ex-hero

Nani has revealed he turns to ex-Manchester United team-mate Cristiano Ronaldo whenever he needs a confidence booster.

The Portugal international is likely to have exhausted his phone bill at the weekend following a poor display at Stoke.

The skilful 22-year-old was wasteful to say the least in United's 2-0 win at Stoke before being hauled off early in the second half for Ryan Giggs, who helped set up both goals for Sir Alex Ferguson's side.

Nani has revealed he remains close with Real Madrid superstar Ronaldo and the pair often talk about how he can improve his game.

"Cristiano and I talk a lot," explained Nani. "We speak about my own game and he gives me confidence to go out and perform."

The world's most expensive player Ronaldo has backed his international colleague's credentials and believes that in the coming years he will be amongst the world's best.

Ronaldo said: "Nani is an excellent player and I am sure that in a few years he will be among the best players in the world."

Sky Sports | Football News | Premier League | Manchester United | Nani turns to Cristiano aid
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Good to hear he is taking advice from a player in his position who became the Worlds Best at this club. He can learn a lot from how Ronaldo improved over the years. But the best role model for him should be Ryan Giggs. He is the perfect example of how simplicity is genius.
 
Nani will be come good, I'm sure of it.

I just think he's good enough and at the right club to fulfill his potential.
 
Mainoldo said:
Seen him play throughout the Touloun tournment, watched him once for Bordeaux. The guy like Valencia has blistering pace, although very langery he is strong on the ball. His crossing and shooting are average but hopefully it will get better as he gets older. But basically i feel he has more variety in his play than Valencia also being less rigid. He will need to improve on his end product in the final third, i don't expect him to be as good as Valencia is now but he will have far more to offer in the future. Thats why i said what i said.
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Sir Alex knew about Obertan when he was 16 - maybe even younger. He was very highly rated. Only God knows why his prior club did nothing about his back. It's a strange thing but from the snippets you can see why we bought him for his potential
 
Nani is not up to scratch. But in no doubt.. the boy deserves at least 2 more seasons to prove himself. I think he will come good. If not for us.. then for another team which would be quite painfull.
 
pathfinder said:
Nani is not up to scratch. But in no doubt.. the boy deserves at least 2 more seasons to prove himself. I think he will come good. If not for us.. then for another team which would be quite painfull.
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Don't be so ridiculous. Giving a player, any player, 5 seasons to develop in the first team is just not going to happen, nor should it do.

As I said, this is his make or break season.
 
esmufc09 said:
Don't be so ridiculous. Giving a player, any player, 5 seasons to develop in the first team is just not going to happen, nor should it do.

As I said, this is his make or break season.
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According to whom?

Nani has already shown many improvements and glimpses of what a player he can be this season. Why should we sell him, even if his season won't be the real breakthrough? As long as a player improves and develops, he'll always have a chance to make it at United, with Fletcher being the best example.

Nani is the real deal and there aren't many winger talents as talented as him around.
 
esmufc09 said:
Don't be so ridiculous. Giving a player, any player, 5 seasons to develop in the first team is just not going to happen, nor should it do.

As I said, this is his make or break season.
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Ronaldo needed 3 seasons to develop, not to mention being as frustrating as Nani in his debut season. Nani started even better than him. Nani has not been given a run in the first team last season, and that's one of the reasons why he didn't improve on his debut season.

He has shown that he can decide a game and he has all the qualities to be a top winger for club and country.

He doesn't have even 1 full season to reach his potential and was always in the shadow of Ronaldo. He has started like 30 matches in those 3 seasons(this being the 3rd) After the departure of Becks, Ronaldo had no competition whatsoever.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Ronaldo needed 3 seasons to develop, not to mention being as frustrating as Nani in his debut season. Nani started even better than him. Nani has not been given a run in the first team last season, and that's one of the reasons why he didn't improve on his debut season.

He has shown that he can decide a game and he has all the qualities to be a top winger for club and country.

He doesn't have even 1 full season to reach his potential and was always in the shadow of Ronaldo. He has started like 30 matches in those 3 seasons(this being the 3rd) After the departure of Becks, Ronaldo had no competition whatsoever.
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Ronaldo was 17. His debut was better than anything Nani has ever produced.
 
Enigma_87 said:
yeah,right..
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To be fair though as much as we like to say Ronaldo improved a lot and was fustrating in his early years he was better than Nani was at 21/20. Be in general we are talking about Ronaldo.

People need to stop worrying about Nani anyway... he'll come good and if he doesn't he'll only have himself to blame he should be making more of the opportunities given to him.
 
Mainoldo said:
To be fair though as much as we like to say Ronaldo improved a lot and was fustrating in his early years he was better than Nani was at 21/20. Be in general we are talking about Ronaldo.

People need to stop worrying about Nani anyway... he'll come good and if he doesn't he'll only have himself to blame he should be making more of the opportunities given to him.
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Time will run out. He has to do it this season. If not I would be very suprised if Fergie does not ship him out.
 
Can anyone honestly say Nani is a noticeably better player now than he was in his first season, three years ago?

I don't think he needs to prove himself a world-beater this season or risk getting sold in the summer. I do think he needs to show some improvement. Unfortunately this is something he has yet to achieve in his United career. His greatest flaw is his seeming inability to learn.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Can anyone honestly say Nani is a noticeably better player now than he was in his first season, three years ago?

I don't think he needs to prove himself a world-beater this season or risk getting sold in the summer. I do think he needs to show some improvement. Unfortunately this is something he has yet to achieve in his United career. His greatest flaw is his seeming inability to learn.
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But you must see that Fergie and some of his team-mates get frustrated with him quite regularly.

I thought towards the end of last season when he was taken off at half time against Spurs that may be the end. Ronaldo's departure has given him another chance. I really think it is last chance saloon for him in the eyes of Fergie

So although he does not all of a sudden need to become a world beater, he does need to add a huge amount of consistancy to his game.
 
Randall Flagg said:
But you must see that Fergie and some of his team-mates get frustrated with him quite regularly.

I thought towards the end of last season when he was taken off at half time against Spurs that may be the end. Ronaldo's departure has given him another chance. I really think it is last chance saloon for him in the eyes of Fergie

So although he does not all of a sudden need to become a world beater, he does need to add a huge amount of consistancy to his game.
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Which would be a major improvement.
 
esmufc09 said:
Don't be so ridiculous. Giving a player, any player, 5 seasons to develop in the first team is just not going to happen, nor should it do.

As I said, this is his make or break season.
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Don't be so ridiculous. Not giving a player, any player , who shows potential, less than 5 years to develope in the first team is just not going to happen. nor should it do.

As Lainiani said, Fletcher being the best example.

Fool
 
Randall Flagg said:
But you must see that Fergie and some of his team-mates get frustrated with him quite regularly.

I thought towards the end of last season when he was taken off at half time against Spurs that may be the end. Ronaldo's departure has given him another chance. I really think it is last chance saloon for him in the eyes of Fergie

So although he does not all of a sudden need to become a world beater, he does need to add a huge amount of consistancy to his game.
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Chances are that would make him a world beater, because he's not lacking a lot else.

If he added a huge amount of consistency in his striking, dribbling and crossing he'd be one of the best wingers around.

Most wingers are inconsistent for a large part of their career. Giggsy was.
 
we don't want to become one of those clubs where we judge too quickly and push out the door only to keep doing it.

Nani..tosic..who else we writing off?

This is nani's third season but only his second 'really' where he's featuring with any regularity. Ronaldo was frustrating for most parts and the best thing that happened to him ..maybe..was the 2006 world cup

Just the hostility and the hatred seemed to make Ronaldo mentally stronger (after Rooneys sending off) and that was the moment he pieced it all together.

His age is irrelevent - he started to come the player he is now after 3 seasons of regular football

The point is we're 7 games in and even if nani has five great games in a row if on the 6th he has a shit game, people will moan

The fans should get behind him. It's not his fault he's trying to help us replace Giggs and help us forget Ronaldo...God help him. We've should take a certain amount of pride in showing paitence

And though my foster stance is a contradiction of that!....:D agh feck it
 
Striker10 said:
we don't want to become one of those clubs where we judge too quickly and push out the door only to keep doing it.

Nani..tosic..who else we writing off?

This is nani's third season but only his second 'really' where he's featuring with any regularity. Ronaldo was frustrating for most parts and the best thing that happened to him ..maybe..was the 2006 world cup

Just the hostility and the hatred seemed to make Ronaldo mentally stronger (after Rooneys sending off) and that was the moment he pieced it all together.

His age is irrelevent - he started to come the player he is now after 3 seasons of regular football

The point is we're 7 games in and even if nani has five great games in a row if on the 6th he has a shit game, people will moan

The fans should get behind him. It's not his fault he's trying to help us replace Giggs and help us forget Ronaldo...God help him. We've should take a certain amount of pride in showing paitence

And though my foster stance is a contradiction of that!....:D agh feck it
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Carrick
 
I think he's done ok so far this season been solid and reasonably consistent but he was very disappointing at the weekend, his decision making was terrible time and time again.... hopefully it will just be a blip.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I'm inclined to agree this is Nani's last season to step up or get shipped out, if no other reason than he'll have had three seasons to make his mark and he'll be 24 next autumn (why do people keep saying he's 21? he turns 23 in a couple of months time) At the moment, he doesn't look to have developed much from his debut season, which is a worry.

I disagree that this has anything to do with Giggs and (especially) Scholes. We've loads of options in central midfield and Giggs only rarely plays on the wing anyway.
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Will you agree that this is the last season for Berbatov to do the same?
 
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