He was impressed with Macheda though
Welbeck: He's ready!
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He was impressed with Macheda though
Most pundits are just fat twats paid to stir shite and get the phone lines or papers jumping
He's right though. It's moronic to definitively state that Welbeck has a shite first touch, when he so clearly doesn't. Anyone who's watched him before would know that. He's insulting the post, not the poster.
Can't see them both making it, but I'd be surprised if they both didn't as well.
Nah, Valencia was pigeon-holed as too predictable most of all, if Obertan's anything he's unpredictable.
As a young player you expect inconsistency, in every area of his game, so it's the quality of touch he can pull off you should be looking at rather than the regularity of his inconsistent touches.
Seriously? What a clueless gimp.
Your patronising tone is making me seriously consider whether to even bother responding to you..you seem to have a rather large chip on your shoulder for whatever reason..try and keep this on topic rather than acting or trying to act superior on an internet forum...theres a good boy...
Yes ive seen Welbeck play multiple times..ive watched him in the reserves along with Macheda and even at that level Macheda has impressed me more…although this season Macheda has actually been below par in the reserve games for one reason or another...still shows more when hes put in the first team though which is the stage where we are judging the players ability and future proespects...as for Welbeck...one of his first big chances was given to him in last season FA cup semi final against Everton where i thought he was largely invisible for the majority of the game and his cumbersome touch led to many attacks breaking down leading to us looking relatively impotent in the final third...hes looked good in the odd carling cup kick about against fodder and scored a nice goal against Stoke in that 5-0 rout but when put up against better opposition on bigger occasions he’s looked out of his depth and ill say again his first touch has been found wanting time after time.
Macheda is far from perfect but at least he shows a genuine threat in the final third and looks to have some genuine promise...Shown against Moscow where he his the post with a fine header and again tonight where only a great save from Rustu prevented him from scoring late on...even on poor nights when we create little at least Macheda looks like he can do something...Welbeck just looks lost.
You seem to have a vastly overrated opinion of welbeck and a vastly underrated one of macheda...maybe because ones a young lad from Salford and the other a kid from Italy who knows...
As for myself...yes i played football for 7 years in a county side....how about you? and try and respond without that unwarranted patronising tone..it really isn’t doing you any favours...makes you look a bit of a dick in all honesty.
I thought Welbeck was very good for the first half hour or so, but failed to have much of an impact on the 2nd half. Macheda impressed me 2nd half, he seems to be working hard on his game and his hold up play. He really tried to up the tempo and was unlucky not to score. Promising from both, but obviously far from the finished articles.
All correct, except for the Ronaldo bit. We could have had Villa and Torres up front and Ronaldo may still have been our top scorer 2 seasons in a row. Thats not to say Berbatov and Rooney couldnt have scored more last season though
No doubt ,they love sticking the knife but the bit I couldnt I understand with Le Tisser was he seemed to think Obertan was our worse player which he wasnt by a long way ,actually I thought he was arguably our best
Theres your first problem...if you cant keep this on topic and feel you need to resort to personal remarks then maybe that says more about yourself than myself.
Maybe you should stay out of it when you're clearly just trying to wind people up and I wouldnt consider any of what I said a personal insult really. To argue my point properly anyone who has watched Welbeck a lot can see that the lad obviously doesnt have an abysmal first touch and in fact his touch is one of the things he has been praised for by Fergie and some of the senior players.
I cant stand him. His laid back, looks like he doesnt care, body language does my head in. His general play is just too annoyingly casual. Never make it for us.
It was the "good going forward - no end product" cliche I was getting at.
Given I'm not the first one to do so, I'd say it says more about you than me.
Then again that'd be bringing logic into the argument, that might just be a step too far with you.
Wait we're writing off 18 years old now that has been in and around the first team for a half a year? fecking hell thats harsh. Welbeck needs to progress thats for sure, and has to mature both physically and mentally. He'll become good I have no doubt about that. I feel the best for him would be to get as many game with the first team not with other young'uns.
Yeah, agree with all of that.
About as promising a pair of 18 year old strikers as I've seen in a long time. Still very raw but oodles of talent. Encouraging stuff.
From what age, 11? I didn't know they let spectators in to watch children's games.
The fundamental problem here is that you seem to think that one of Welbeck's biggest strengths, his technique on the ball is his biggest weakness. How I'm going to convince you to see that Welbeck has great technique and control of the ball, other than the brilliant piece of control he did in the other game which there is a gif on this forum somewhere.
It's like trying to say that Owen has poor movement inside the box, how do you convince someone that Messi is a good dribbler? Tell them to watch him play? What if they still don't agree?
You're not worth my time to be honest, if you're a WUM then good one, you had me there.
Thought he was one of our worst players. Not writing him off forever or anything just the way I saw it, he was too hesistant.
Logic? your not attempting any logic whatsoever Brwned you’ve had a bee in your bonnet with me ever since i challenged you back in the newbie forum and you didn’t like it one bit...obviously you were used to and expecting to be agreed with because of your main forum status...
Certain people don’t agree with my views on Welbeck in here and certain others do...why the need to take things off topic and make personal remarks i don’t know...maybe as i say your still a bit sore from past 'debates' and maybe some others are just very sensative to someone who dosnt agree Welbeck will make it at the club...
Move on brwned..holding a grudge on an internet forum is rather childish….
Logic:
I'm not the first person to 'get personal with you' so chances are it's something you're doing something wrong rather than me.
If you keep ignoring your problems then you'll keep getting talked to you in what you perceive to be a patronising tone.
Just trying to help - you don't get your points across well. It's not what you say it's how you say it.
No...i don’t consider Welbecks touch one of his strengths in the first place and i base that judgment on watching him play various matches for us over the past 18 months where his touch has consistently let him down....I don’t base anything on Welbecks performance tonight nor do I need to it was nothing I haven’t seen before…cumbersome touch on the ball the running down blind alleys …the scuffing ofshot attempts whenever in range etc….I don’t think he will make it at the club and im not alone in thinking that quite clearly….if you take such great offence to that I suggest the problem lies with you and your ‘disciples’ more so than with me…
Hes a local lad from Salford and I know supporters love nothing more than seeing young local lads make it…but that shouldn’t cloud his actual playing ability when judging his performances…with some of you it clearly does.
Neither Welbeck nor Macheda are any where close to being ready for the first team.
I feel both would benefit from a loan move.
I feel both would benefit from a loan move.
His origins don't matter to me.
Thank you for the advice brwned....the only problem is i don’t sit here worrying about how i come across to other people who ill never meet in my life posting on an internet football forum...its not really a be all and end all situation to me I must say....if you yourself have an issue with me and feel the need to take subjects off topic and turn them into personal sly digs then quite frankly that’s something you need to deal with yourself its really not my problem...all ive done in this thread is voice my reasons as to why i don’t believe welbeck will make it at the club..that’s why this is called a forum and why one exists to voice differing opinions..fine you don’t agree with them I wont lose any sleep over it....
Plainly speaking if you or anyone else for that matter feel the need to talk down to others over the internet then thats really up to you and reflects more upon your own overindulged egos more than my ability to put forward any given argument.
He's not from Salford and as much as people like seeing Manc lads coming through it is a golbal game and a lot of our more promising young players are foreign and people support them as much as any of the local lads. It is a very patronising and zenophobic thing to insinuate, and incorrect. I can see why you seem to wind people up.
That's the thing though, it clearly is your problem.
I was thinking the same thing. He's the one who's made this personal about HIM.
Then you just overrate his ability ....or like arguing for arguments sake...either way you seem to get very sensitive when someone questions welbecks ability...and yet seem to demean every little thing macheda does by way of justification of welbecks talents...seems strange...
Seems like its bothering you a lot more than me....people like you on an internet forum really arnt any problem of mine im sorry if that dissapoints you...maybe you take the internet just a tad to seriously...or maybe you just regard yourself above others as a general way of life...either way its really not my problem.
I didn’t insinuate anything i merely said its only natural for people to feel a greater affiliation towards young local born lads than imports from abroad...
Ok, I've sussed it now.
Sorry Allforone, you're not actually good enough for me to have an intelligent conversation with. Logic seems to be one of your weaknesses, so go on with your life and don't make things too personal all the time.
Sorry Allforone, you're not actually good enough for me to have an intelligent conversation with. Logic seems to be one of your weaknesses, so go on with your life and don't make things too personal all the time.
No point arguing with this allforone chap, he's an obvious retard.
The problem is people not being able to argue their point without resorting to personal insults (you do this a lot I see). If you don't agree with someone, then express your views as to why. That's the trouble with the football forums, there are too many short replies without any reason given as to the thinking behind them, and then it inevitably turns into a nonsense slagging match.
And keep the fecking thing on topic!
You really need to sort that ego of yours out..I can see why you and brwned get along hes has the same issues...your self loving patronising of others is cringeworhty and seriously unfounded...as neither of you are intelligent enough in the first place im afraid....indeed quite often those who feel the need to portray themselves as another’s superior are often the ones with self asteem issues in the real world.…
Crazy thread this. a poster comes on to try put out some positives from a crap result and its turned into a which of our promising teenage strikers wont make it,which is better,who can control the ball etc etc etc. its early days yet and sir alex ferguson wouldnt have them near the team if he didnt think they stand a chance. they both had a tough time tonight and neither were spectacular but neither were crap,same as the experienced players carrick and brown. we had a group that dont often play together and the whole thing looked a bit disjointed. also for any poor touch welbeck made what about that gif worthy 60 yard take in the carling cup the other week. macheda looks a huge prospect and i think he could make it here. i dont understand the need to determine the future of these players tonight.both are at a level that is being exactly mirrored in their use in the squad.
also,someof the posters here seem like awful knobs,the patronising and condescending my opinion is the right one attitude is very enjoyable to read
also,someof the posters here seem like awful knobs,the patronising and condescending my opinion is the right one attitude is very enjoyable to read
A poster comes out and says that Welbeck is the finished article and should get a first team chance? I'll stick with Rooney and Berbatov thanks, no matter what their failings.