People keep saying "he likes to go forward" but I've yet to see any evidence of that.
His inability/unwillingness to get forward is one of the main reasons we look so fecking toothless in a 433/451, with Rooney completely isolated up top on his own,
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People keep saying "he likes to go forward" but I've yet to see any evidence of that.
His inability/unwillingness to get forward is one of the main reasons we look so fecking toothless in a 433/451, with Rooney completely isolated up top on his own,
I don't know whether I'm reading too much into things, but I've looked at a few of our former players and feel that they are in far better shape now than when they were with us: Pique and Tevez are the two that stick out.
I disregard Rooney from these sorts of conversations because we all know that he's had an unusual body build since he broke through as a kid. He's not the the archetypal footballer's body, but there's no doubting his explosiveness and his stamina.
Maybe it's a positional issue, as you say. But I reckon he's definetly carrying more timber this season.
He's a real enigma, is Anderson. After all this time, I still can't tell you what his best position is. That is still the problem with him. We need to define what he is best at and give him that role.
Yup. It's his job in a three man midfield to play the most advanced role. And when he doesn't, it's Carrick who gets it in the neck.
I think you are reading too much into things.
You don't win as many trophies as we have if there are fundamental issues with the way we work on our player's conditioning/aerobic fitness. It's such an important part of modern football.
I think the fitness of our players is always excellent.
To be fair to Anderson, his stamina has looked much better this season, but not in the City game.
To be fair to Anderson, his stamina has looked much better this season, but not in the City game.
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Ay, but when you've been played out of position for you entire career and then randomly Fergie decides to make you the ACM, you're not going to perform well.
What are you suggesting his natural position is?
Sometimes you grow out of your natural position when a) You're not played there, and b) You dont posess the versitility/consistancy to maintain positions you're good at.
With Porto he played behind the striker and in an advanced midfield role, sometimes out left.
As a creative force, he's been pretty poor for us in his time here. That rules our playing behind a lone striker, I would have thought. He's already proven that as of yet, he can't be trusted in a two man midfield, as he doesn't have either the positional sense or the consistency in his passing to keep the midfield ticking over. Right now I can only see him playing as a bustling midfielder in a three man midfield.
Until he can consistently use the ball well in there-and even his most fervent supporter would agree that regardless of whether he's in the heart of the midfield, or ten or fifteen yards further forward, passing the ball consistently over ten yards shouldn't be beyond him. But at the moment it's causing him difficulties.
He needs to go play for the reserves again like he did earlier in the season - that seemed to spark something in him.
Exactly, he just doesn't seem to have to confidence to make forward runs to support Rooney.
As soon as he gets the ball he looks for a pass straight away, whether it's a short pass or a hollywood ball, and usually his hollywood balls end up nowhere.
You can't be played out of position for your entire career.
The position you've played for your entire career is your best position, by definition.
It's one of the more bizarre and recurrent theories on here. That somehow our coaching staff could work with a player, week in, week out, for three fecking years and wilfully play him in a position that isn't suited to his natural game.
The reason Anderson isn't playing in the position you consider his "best position" - based, presumably, on some youtube footage of an underage tournament and a handful of games for Porto - is almost certainly because he's not very good at playing that position (something we were reminded of on Tuesday night)
I think whats even more worrying is that after 2 years we still dont even know what his real strengths are...
His passing is so hit and miss its unbelievable, for every 60 yard perfect pass, he'll play 10 odd crap balls that just go straight out of play/to the opposition
His shooting as we all know is just shocking,
He's quite strong is the tackle I guess, but then again, if he's supposed to be a ACM then that really shouldnt be a redeeming feature.
His stamina is still questionable imo. And so is his positional sense.
He does have very good strength and pace, and can dribble very well. But he tends to use his pace and strength chasing and harrying oposition players, rather then dribbiling past people (apart from the odd run here and there.)
Really, he has fantastic physical attributes (Pace, Strength etc) but lacks in the technical side of the game (Passing, shooting etc).. I also, worryingly, think its becoming clearer and clearing why he plays so well in the big games, and doesnt in the small games.
It seems like I'm really having a go at Anderson, but I'm not. I really like the lad but thats just an honest assesement of him so far.
Excellent post Sam#1.
If you are one of the ones who believe his technique will improve -I think you are-, good luck...
If you are one of the ones who believe his technique will improve -I think you are-, good luck...
It's an assessment I share Sam, word for word, the issue is that there are people writing him off to the point we should "sell" him... The lack of accomplishment is as much the pricetag as it is his own doing, which is what makes it so dissapointing.
how old is he? 20 ?
22 this year.
fanboys need to remove the Ando-tinted specs.
Stop making up excuses for the lad, he's stagnated, horribly so and unless he improves markedly by the end of the season he's either going to be sold or become such a bit part player that he'll request a transfer.
My take on it is that he is not putting in the work and therefore is not improving. He'd do well to take note of how Cantona and Ronaldo became great players for this club.
Stay late and practice, practice, practice. Hard work will get him there, if he's capable of that.
Stop making up excuses for the lad, he's stagnated, horribly so and unless he improves markedly by the end of the season he's either going to be sold or become such a bit part player that he'll request a transfer.
My take on it is that he is not putting in the work and therefore is not improving. He'd do well to take note of how Cantona and Ronaldo became great players for this club.
Stay late and practice, practice, practice. Hard work will get him there, if he's capable of that.
Nani and Anderson, perhaps their the reason why Fergie is so hung up on "Value" these days.
I wouldn't say he's entirely stagnated Dwayne - he's much more effective as a body in the centre of the park now (he chases, he's better at tackling). Some of the stuff he needs to work on is stuff that young (and learning) players generally do need to focus on - decision making re passing, positioning in the middle (vital if he's to be played regularly in a 442), and concentraion.
However, what is concerning is that so many of his errors are elemental stuff - simple passes, being hounded off the ball when he dallies in possession (especially disappointing for a lad of his physique and power), and shooting. To be honest he should focus on these first. And no, I'm not saying needs to score screamers from 30 yards. Getting it on target every now and then would be nice.
Not forgetting Berbatov and Hargreaves.
But if we're being honest the main reason why Ferguson is hung up on value is because the coffers have been extremely tightened in the recent year.
i remember being so happy when we signed him and Nani. thought we were sorted for like 10 years.still have hope for both of them, but they certainly have not developed as i expected them to after a brilliant first season.
There are many others. The way you go on about him one would think he has been as frustrating as Nani. Which is very far from the truth. Unless you're Scholesy the poster
Yeah but Scholesy is clearly a racist. He wishes Anderson had lily white skin, slightly rattish features, and blonde hair.
Utter bs Pogue. Richardson was never even half as good as Anderson has been for us at any stage in his stay at United. Come up with a better defence for yourselfI'd agree with that and add to it that his stamina has clearly improved. Which would only happen with a lot of hard work on his part.
I'm one of his harsher critics on here but I think it's unfair to decide a 22 year-old has completely stagnated. Different players improve and mature at different rates and it's not always linear. I think it would be very foolish to write Anderson off completely this early in his career.
The fact remains that he has put in some very very good performances in a United shirt (albeit intermittently). When he's on his game he's a cracking player. Anyone who is capable of playing that well, that young is someone worth hanging onto for another year at least.
I disagree, Sharky. In his first season his tackling and ball winning were outstanding, he still shows glimpses of that occasionally, getting in front of players and taking the ball from them. I don't buy that a professional footballer of 22 years can be excused as young and lernin' either, what's he been doing the last 10 years other than football?
The elemental errors, imo, can largely be put down to a lack of stamina. His fitness isn't good enough, which affects concentration, which leads to him being muscled off the ball, poor passes and shots into the carpark or perhaps that little stand where they'll put letters and numbers on your replica kit.
Work harder and he has all the tools to come good and be an excellent player for the club. I like him but I really think he's just a bit too lazy.
This season?
Name them. I make it three good games. Out of at least double that amount of starts.
I bet he put in the work. Remember this is a dude who offered to play for the reserves to get back form. But because he is a central midfielder it will take much longer for improvement to show in his game than it did fora Ronaldo.
As stated before as nauseum: Remember Fletcher.
Correct.
Watch him, he's knackered after 60 minutes virtually every time he plays. I will give him that he looked good recently after 80mins and I was impressed but there's a reason why he's substituted so often, fitness or lack thereof.
By no means am I saying sell him but if he continues as is, which is mostly disappointing with some nice performances thrown in every 4 matches or so, his future with the club isn't very bright.
Easy Chief.I'm not going to go as far as saying Ando is Fergie's love child.
His movement off the ball in particular is far too poor to be an attacking midfielder, especially in the formation we played v City. If he wants a good example of how to play the position just watch a few recent Arsenal matches and concentrate on Fabregas and the way he is moving around the pitch, linking with the main striker and getting into goal scoring positions.
Anderson just seems to stand around waiting for the ball to come to him too often and the space between him and Rooney was far too wide.
Anderson just seems to stand around waiting for the ball to come to him too often and the space between him and Rooney was far too wide.
Is it normal for any player at this level (yes even at this age) to have such poor movement and is it a stamina thing?
No way. Our staff are clearly converting Anderson to a role that suits us much better than his previous role would have. Not remotely because ''he isn't good enough there'. This position we are converting him to, is also a position that will in the long term suit him better even on the international stage too. Tim Vickery, a respected South American based journalist, who know his onions when it comes to South American footballers, has this view too.
The problem around here is people like you lack the patience to let the boy take his time to fully readjust to the new way of play and role we are teaching him.
For crying out loud, if it took 1 year and a half for Scholes to re adjust from being a an attacking midfielder to an in the hole player when Veron had been bought. Yet he was at the peak of his powers. Shouldn't it be far harder for a kid?
Some of y'all really need to get some perspective.
I'm trying to keep it in mind but the number of posters who wax lyrical about him and decry the injustice of his being played out of his natural position, as if he were born to play in a certain spot gets to me.
Perspective goes both ways, you see.
I don't need to name them. I'm not the one who expects a 22 year old kid who has never been as mature as Fabregas in his play, to perform like a 30 year old Paul Scholes game in game out. Just because he came with a price tag and was once dubbed the new Ronaldinho.
For my money SAF is trying to make him into a box to box combatitive midfielder. He's got the combatitive part down, now he just needs the box to box bit.
I'm quite excited over the prospect of a Fletcher - Anderson midfield (which would be quite like Ince - Keane from 93 - 95), but then that's just the FM muppet in me talking.
I'm quite excited over the prospect of a Fletcher - Anderson midfield (which would be quite like Ince - Keane from 93 - 95), but then that's just the FM muppet in me talking.
Well, you kind of do actually.
Bearing in mind this conversation is following on from me pointing out that he's like Liam Miller every second game this season - a point you indignantly rebuffed.
So fare we've established he's played three good games this season, out of 10starts. Like I said a while back I'm probably being kind, if anything, by implying he puts in a good performance every second game.
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