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If the stories about being AWOL are true then truly disappointing. Earlier in the season I thought he handled himself really well and said what a great attitude to ask to play in the reserves to prove himself.

If now he has turned around and done a petulant thing like running off to Brasil without permission, it will be very damaging, supporters won't quickly forget something like this.
 
I dont whether this is fact or fiction. Too much nonsense in the media as always. I've got plenty of time for Anderson so lets hope this is nothing but a storm in a teacup. I hope to see him around the squad again soon so we can put this behind us. Unless some credible evidence shows up about him leaving im convinced he is one of us for now and the future.

Partizan said:
feck Argentinians and Brazilians, lets stick to signing Serbs and Dutch, with the odd Frenchman.
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Like Ljajic and Tosic?
 
Cold_Boy said:
:lol::lol:

I remember that.Many were convinced he was already better than Fabregas abd also Gerrard.
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When you consider he played against both in the space of a week and dominated the midfield alongside OH you can under stand why people jumped the gun a little.
 
Allforone said:
I said that and got accused of being a spaniad!
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Dunno what a Spaniad is, but if it something bad, they are probably right.

Always said that we should stay clear of Argies and Brazilians.

They like their dinheiros, are more concerned with their national teams than their clubs and are about as loyal as Copacabana biatch.
 
On one hand Brazilians have a history of legging it when its too cold/too difficult/not getting enough games

On the other hand ill believe it when i see it
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Dunno what a Spaniad is, but if it something bad, they are probably right.

Always said that we should stay clear of Argies and Brazilians.

They like their dinheiros, are more concerned with their national teams than their clubs and are about as loyal as Copacabana biatch.
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Dinheros*

Mind you, I sort of agree... two Argies fecked us over after winning us over, amid their own stupid cries of loving the fans, despite stepping on Fergie's toes and in Tevez' case, fecking off to our closest rivals.

And Brazilians have a track record of doing these sort of things, it's true. Hope the da Silvas don't follow suit.
 
I'm very disappointed if this is true. If he has gone and done this, it makes 2 bust ups in 1 season and could very well spell the end. I thought he was better than this off his reaction to be ing dropped last time but he himself must know he hasn't been performing.

I like him a lot but going AWOL is a step too far
 
Pogue Mahone said:
There's not been very many in England full-stop.

https://www.redcafe.net/f7/brazilians-england-283894/

I would say that Rafael and Fabio are cut from different cloth, mind you. This might be because they feel more at home with their twin to support them but I can't help feeling much more optimistic about them than I do about Anderson.
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Heh. Give it time. I seem to recall a recent interview where they mentioned that it's been challenging to adapt to the English culture. And lets face it, it would be. I do think they will stick around for a few years. But i'll be shocked if they spend the best years of their career with us. Call me cynical, but we'll develop them, turn them into stars and they'll either feck off to Italy, or Spain.

I expect a few of you will think i'm being negative, but i suspect more then a few of you already know it's a very real possibility.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Considering he's not in any of the training pics and the Brazilian press all claim Anderson's in Rio I'm not sure the Mail's really up to speed here.
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Or maybe they're the one that are right.

If the beeb, Sky and Soccernet haven't gotten it yet, I still don't believe it.

CLK_FPC said:
I'm very disappointed if this is true. If he has gone and done this, it makes 2 bust ups in 1 season and could very well spell the end. I thought he was better than this off his reaction to be ing dropped last time but he himself must know he hasn't been performing.

I like him a lot but going AWOL is a step too far
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Agreed, love the lad to bits but if he can't handle it and this is his way to request exodus i'm very very dissapointed.

Does anyone reckon this could be something more subtle than his performances? Family issues? Contract? It really could be anything.
 
Anderson Searl said:
Does anyone reckon this could be something more subtle than his performances? Family issues? Contract? It really could be anything.
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Somewhere else I read with one of those I know this bloke who works in the canteen and Ando left for emergency before he could tell SAF face to face.

Not that the source is reliable but, the angle that it could be a family incident that has lead to him making a sudden dash across the ocean is plausible as him just risking ruining his career and leaving without permission.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Dunno what a Spaniad is, but if it something bad, they are probably right.

Always said that we should stay clear of Argies and Brazilians.

They like their dinheiros, are more concerned with their national teams than their clubs and are about as loyal as Copacabana biatch.
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If you want to bring in Latin players, then you need people like CQ around. He understands before they speak.
I have said this several times but some people here are very intolerant to this view. They see it as an attack on SAF for not being able to guide the development of young players. That should not be the case at all if you are open minded about cultural sensitivity.
As an example, majority of students I teach say I am great teacher, but I had a Japanese in my class last semester, a brilliant student but based on his first exam results it was clear he was lost in the class.
He never came to me for further explanation on anything. Remained quiet when I asked if anybody did not understand anything. I did my research and I found out that it was considered impolite to say to your teacher that you don't understand what he or she just taught you. By saying you don't understand it, you will be implying that your teacher is bad or you are dumb.
So I had to invite him to my office hours for us to solve problems to clear his difficulty.
I am saying this just to show that methods used hard UK players will not work with Latin players. We are a different breed and if United want to import more Brazilians, then we should have a support system in place for them. One of the coaches should be able to relate to them on a cultural level.
 
Clique said:
You should be a lot more news bearing considering you're nearer to Brazil. Any news?
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Just tabloids, If I go by them, we will be talking about Tiger woods sleeping with Shemales. No reputable news source has touched this story. Presently, I am in America btw.
And if the tabloids don't even have a picture of Anderson in Rio, then I find it hard to believe that he is in Brazil right now.
 
Clique said:
You should be a lot more news bearing considering you're nearer to Brazil. Any news?
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Theres been one in the Sun and NOTW which said he left without permission after a bust up with Fergie then the Mail said that he was going to be fined, but nothing offical from the club or from other outlets
 
championo said:
Just tabloids, If I go by them, we will be talking about Tiger woods sleeping with Shemales. No reputable news source has touched this story. Presently, I am in America btw.
And if the tabloids don't even have a picture of Anderson in Rio, then I find it hard to believe that he is in Brazil right now.
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Yeah thats why i said nearer to brazil.

Seems likely he's in brazil actually. Stupid move to be fair, if indeed he's gone there if for anything other than family reasons.

This is actually getting on my nerves. No bloody reputable newspaper seems to be carrying the story. Its all claims and counter claims.
 
Anderson probably left after hearing Rooneys comments re Gerrard
 
Clique said:
Yeah thats why i said nearer to brazil.

Seems likely he's in brazil actually. Stupid move to be fair, if indeed he's gone there if for anything other than family reasons.

This is actually getting on my nerves. No bloody reputable newspaper seems to be carrying the story. Its all claims and counter claims.
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If he was, I would have heard it by now and from friends on MSN messenger and skype and regular phone. I say it is bollocks.
 
OneUnited24 said:
When you consider he played against both in the space of a week and dominated the midfield alongside OH you can under stand why people jumped the gun a little.
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And up pops the myth again that he dominated the midfield alongside Owen Hargreaves.

Who started this myth? and why's it caught on? :confused:
 
Sam#1 said:
And up pops the myth again that he dominated the midfield alongside Owen Hargreaves.

Who started this myth? and why's it caught on? :confused:
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Because he had two very good games against two of our biggest rivals.

He might not have had Gerrard and Fabregas in his pocket, but he was pretty awesome in both games, and neither Fabregas nor Gerrard had much time before Anderson was in their face.

For every poster who claims he was great in those games there are a cuple posters trying their best to belittling his performances. I personally like to think praising a United player is better than belittling him - especially when the praise is deserved. But hey, that's just me.
 
championo said:
If you want to bring in Latin players, then you need people like CQ around. He understands before they speak.
I have said this several times but some people here are very intolerant to this view. They see it as an attack on SAF for not being able to guide the development of young players. That should not be the case at all if you are open minded about cultural sensitivity.
As an example, majority of students I teach say I am great teacher, but I had a Japanese in my class last semester, a brilliant student but based on his first exam results it was clear he was lost in the class.
He never came to me for further explanation on anything. Remained quiet when I asked if anybody did not understand anything. I did my research and I found out that it was considered impolite to say to your teacher that you don't understand what he or she just taught you. By saying you don't understand it, you will be implying that your teacher is bad or you are dumb.
So I had to invite him to my office hours for us to solve problems to clear his difficulty.
I am saying this just to show that methods used hard UK players will not work with Latin players. We are a different breed and if United want to import more Brazilians, then we should have a support system in place for them. One of the coaches should be able to relate to them on a cultural level.
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I agree with this. A blind man can see Anderson has great potential but it's a combination of personal attitude + improvement and the work of the coaching staff.
If we fail to get the best out of Anderson it won't be only his own fault but our club's (staff) too.
 
Top said:
Because he had two very good games against two of our biggest rivals.

He might not have had Gerrard and Fabregas in his pocket, but he was pretty awesome in both games, and neither Fabregas nor Gerrard had much time before Anderson was in their face.

For every poster who claims he was great in those games there are a cuple posters trying their best to belittling his performances. I personally like to think praising a United player is better than belittling him. But hey, that's just me.
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Yes he played well, and if thats the comment, that Anderson played well then thats fine. But to claim we dominated midfield in a game where we had about 35% of the possesion is just not true. And the problem is, a few people say it, then suddennly it becomes fact. We dominated the midfield against Liverpool and Arsenal, when we did nothing of the sort. Liverpool especially, completely dominated the midfield, what Anderson and Hargreaves did well was as you say be in the faces of Gerrard et el.

Its not a case of beliittling the performance, but just getting the facts right. They both played very well, but they didnt dominate.
 
Top said:
Because he had two very good games against two of our biggest rivals.

He might not have had Gerrard and Fabregas in his pocket, but he was pretty awesome in both games, and neither Fabregas nor Gerrard had much time before Anderson was in their face.

For every poster who claims he was great in those games there are a cuple posters trying their best to belittling his performances. I personally like to think praising a United player is better than belittling him - especially when the praise is deserved. But hey, that's just me.
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That's true to a point but it's unhelpful when this excessive praise is used as the basis of debates about who should/shouldn't be starting in midfield, three years further down the road.

The more people keep talking about OH/Anderson "dominating" the midfield in those two games, the more it is accepted that picking one or other of these two is the way forward for all our big games in the future. In reality, they both played well and hustled and bustled the hell out of Gerrard/Fabregas but we didn't come close to "dominating" midfield. In fact we conceded huge amounts of possession and territory, spending almost an hour of the Liverpool game pinned inside our own box. Midfield domination should be about passing, movement and using the ball to hurt the opposition. If it requires nothing more than grit, determination and running round like a blue-arsed fly, we might as well have held on to Phil Neville.

It's well and good praising players for good performances (and Anderson has put in his share of good performances) but myth-making like this causes people to massively over-estimate what Anderson brings/brought to the team and ridiculous threads like demanding Fletcher or Carrick be dropped to accomodate a player who still has it all to prove.
 
FreakyJim said:
I agree with this. A blind man can see Anderson has great potential but it's a combination of personal attitude + improvement and the work of the coaching staff.
If we fail to get the best out of Anderson it won't be only his own fault but our club's (staff) too.
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One thing that almost never gets mentioned in relation to Anderson and his potential is how breaking the leg affected him.
He's said so himself, he hasn't been the same player since then - he's not quite as agile or fast in acceleration nor topspeed, and it was those attributes in particular which had every team monitoring him. Even if you look at the youtube videos which resulted in the hype on here - there's not a lot of Ronaldinho-like dribbling, it's mainly just outrunning his opponents with ridiculous speed and agility.

We then took a chance, signing him relatively soon after the injury, as we knew all the big clubs wanted to sign him.

That being said, he's obviously still a very talented lad, and Fergie himself has named him as Scholes's successor a couple times. He's still young, Fletch despite being very talented as well didn't win over the fans until recently.
 
Top said:
Because he had two very good games against two of our biggest rivals.

He might not have had Gerrard and Fabregas in his pocket, but he was pretty awesome in both games, and neither Fabregas nor Gerrard had much time before Anderson was in their face.

For every poster who claims he was great in those games there are a cuple posters trying their best to belittling his performances. I personally like to think praising a United player is better than belittling him - especially when the praise is deserved. But hey, that's just me.
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I dont get it either, you seem to think a few posters here actually want some of our players to fail - with the constant Berba/Anderson/Nani bashing. I would rather support our players than flame them at any opportunity.
 
Top said:
One thing that almost never gets mentioned in relation to Anderson and his potential is how breaking the leg affected him.
He's said so himself, he hasn't been the same player since then - he's not quite as agile or fast in acceleration nor topspeed, and it was those attributes in particular which had every team monitoring him. Even if you look at the youtube videos which resulted in the hype on here - there's not a lot of Ronaldinho-like dribbling, it's mainly just outrunning his opponents with ridiculous speed and agility.

We then took a chance, signing him relatively soon after the injury, as we knew all the big clubs wanted to sign him.

That being said, he's obviously still a very talented lad, and Fergie himself has named him as Scholes's successor a couple times. He's still young, Fletch despite being very talented as well didn't win over the fans until recently.
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Do you think a lack of speed or agility has been a major problem throughout his United career?

He seems quick as fcuk to me. It;s all the other stuff he (still) needs to work on.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
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But just like how people are using his great performances against Liverpool and Arsenal as an argument as to why there's a place for him in the team, there are those of you who have now transformed two brilliant performances into something mediocre and almost negative because you're on the other end of the stick preferring someone like Gibson or what not.

It might be a 'myth' that he had Fabregas and Gerrard in his pocket, but that's just another way of saying he had two brilliant games, which is certainly not a myth.

It's too easy to just call it a myth and those dismissing those games entirely because they don't quite fit the argument that he's overrated.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Do you think a lack of speed or agility has been a major problem throughout his United career?

He seems quick as fcuk to me. It;s all the other stuff he (still) needs to work on.
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Everything about him seems to be pace & power. His passing is done with vigour and power. Shooting is done with lots of power(he miskicks them is a seperate issue).

My point being that he hasn't developed the calm, deft side to his game. Maybe it will come with age. Maybe not.

That and his positioning/movement is atrocious
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Do you think a lack of speed or agility has been a major problem throughout his United career?

He seems quick as fcuk to me. It;s all the other stuff he (still) needs to work on.
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He is quick, yes, but I believe he was even faster before his injury*, and the small difference in speed is really a decisive factor in those surging runs through the middle. It's the difference between being caught by the third defender you pass or being through on goal.

We've seen him take those runs, particularly the FAC game against Villa a couple years back highlighted how lethal he can be when he dares to take those runs, but once or twice every six month is just a waste of his ability really.

I don't remember where I read the interview with him, but he said breaking his leg has definitely changed the way he used to play.

*I only really watched him in the youth tournament which created the hype, so I could be wrong.
 
Top said:
But just like how people are using his great performances against Liverpool and Arsenal as an argument as to why there's a place for him in the team, there are those of you who have now transformed two brilliant performances into something mediocre and almost negative because you're on the other end of the stick preferring someone like Gibson or what not.

It might be a 'myth' that he had Fabregas and Gerrard in his pocket, but that's just another way of saying he had two brilliant games, which is certainly not a myth.

It's too easy to just call it a myth and those dismissing those games entirely because they don't quite fit the argument that he's overrated.
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Whoa there! Gibson isn't a patch on Anderson - in terms of talent/natural ability - and I wouldn't try to claim otherwise.

Having watched Gibson for United and Ireland I felt his early season form was a fairly limited player punching above his weight and I was only considering him getting games ahead of Anderson because the latter had been in such woeful shape in pre-season (another sign of a lack of dedication to the cause?)

When they're both at their best, Anderson is a level above Gibson but he hits that level so infrequently you could occasionally make a case for Gibson getting games in his stead. The goals he scored in his brief stint for the first team (rapidly surpassing the single goal that Anderson took three years to achieve) proved he has a lot to offer but I would be surprised if Gibson ever becomes a first-team regular.

Conversely, I think Anderson has every chance of being a first-team regular. It's just frustrating to watch someone with so much ability seemingly unable to to gradually improve with each season at the club.
 
Sam#1 said:
And up pops the myth again that he dominated the midfield alongside Owen Hargreaves.

Who started this myth? and why's it caught on? :confused:
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Umm we watched the game and he had a good one against 2 seasoned PS professionals in his debut season
 
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