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So it seems like he is the new player to slag off since Nani performed so well... who is it in 2 weeks? Vida? Valencia? We will see

As long as there is no trustable report or an interview with Fergie or so, I doubt the story
 
If SAF will permit, it will be a good idea to really loan Anderson to Gremio or Vasco da gama, he needs reprogramming, his shooting needs realignment, he needs his confidence to be restored. Getting yelled act for messing up will set him backwards at this stage.
 
Couple of things regarding his speed.

1) He'd be faster if he dropped a few kilos.

2) The leg break took place years ago, and he's had plenty of time to heal from it. Furthermore, it's not really robbed him of his speed. He's still pretty quick in terms of acceleration but you don't see it too often because a) He doesn't play as advanced a position for us and so very rarely finds himself in positions where he's up against the last defender b) Defenders in the premier league are much better then in Portugal.

Anderson's problem isn't that he's got a lack of pace. Rather it's his inconsistency. You just don't know which Anderson is going to show up (now that I think about it, this seems a very Brazilian trait). On his day he can put Gerrard and Fabregas to shame, but then there are occasions where he looks atrocious even against relegation caliber midfielders.

Add to that the lads complete inability to score and just average passing range and you get a player who's performance during the course of a game can run from the sublime to the dreadful.
 
Devilton said:
Couple of things regarding his speed.

1) He'd be faster if he dropped a few kilos.

2) The leg break took place years ago, and he's had plenty of time to heal from it. Furthermore, it's not really robbed him of his speed. He's still pretty quick in terms of acceleration but you don't see it too often because a) He doesn't play as advanced a position for us and so very rarely finds himself in positions where he's up against the last defender b) Defenders in the premier league are much better then in Portugal.

Anderson's problem isn't that he's got a lack of pace. Rather it's his inconsistency. You just don't know which Anderson is going to show up (now that I think about it, this seems a very Brazilian trait). On his day he can put Gerrard and Fabregas to shame, but then there are occasions where he looks atrocious even against relegation caliber midfielders.

Add to that the lads complete inability to score and just average passing range and you get a player who's performance during the course of a game can run from the sublime to the dreadful.
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Spot on. Exactly my thoughts about his passing range and his weight.
 
Devilton said:
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My point being, his injury changed him.

The bone might heal, but a serious injury like that can definitely change you as a player, and I believe that's why our Anderson is so different from the Ronaldinho-hype surrounding him after he won the Golden Ball, Boot, boy or whatever it was.

Naturally his wieght effects his speed, but I don't think he's ever really looked slim while he was here, where as he looked wery slim back when the hype started - before the injury.

I can't find the article I'm thinking of, but I found this instead:

All because of a serious injury that I suffered in a match against Benfica in 2006-'07 season.

I was still recovering, I was not one hundred per cent, as before the operation. So I decided to back my position about twenty yards, no longer attacking midfielder but the median director.
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Surely he's not "still recovering" three years later?

IIRC he only broke his fibula anyway. It wasn't a catastrophic Smith/Eduardo-style injury. Players have been known to finish games with a fractured fibula so it's a stretch to claim this injury is hidering his speed/agility three years later.
 
championo said:
If SAF will permit, it will be a good idea to really loan Anderson to Gremio or Vasco da gama, he needs reprogramming, his shooting needs realignment, he needs his confidence to be restored. Getting yelled act for messing up will set him backwards at this stage.
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It would certainly be interesting to see if he could rediscover the flair side of his game, running at players consistently instead of just now and again, if he went back to his samba roots for 6 months.

On the other hand it's hardly going to help him tactically and positionally which is what most people are criticising at the moment.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Surely he's not "still recovering" three years later?

IIRC he only broke his fibula anyway. It wasn't a catastrophic Smith/Eduardo-style injury. Players have been known to finish games with a fractured fibula so it's a stretch to claim this injury is hidering his speed/agility three years later.
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He's speed is fine and was all good to see in his first season with us, which was straight after the injury so i don't get these injury excuses either.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Surely he's not "still recovering" three years later?

IIRC he only broke his fibula anyway. It wasn't a catastrophic Smith/Eduardo-style injury. Players have been known to finish games with a fractured fibula so it's a stretch to claim this injury is hidering his speed/agility three years later.
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But like he says; he changed from an attacking midfielder to what we see now because of the injury. The agility and speed might not be directly linked with his injury, I'm not the doctor, and it could simply just be that he got a bit chubby during the injury, but I definitely think he was moreagile and looked faster when he was younger. Though, like I said, the pace could just be because he was playing against other kids.
 
An injury like a broken limb would effect a player psychologically and physically imo. And Andserson physical game is fantastic, infact its his biggest asset. Very strong and powerful, with speed to boot.

Plus he's quite prepared to go into crunching challanges, so there doesnt seem to be any long term psychological effects either.
 
Mainoldo said:
He's speed is fine and was all good to see in his first season with us, which was straight after the injury so i don't get these injury excuses either.
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I was trying to come up with an explanation as to why he currently doesn't look like living up to the ridiculously high exceptions he came with as the 'new Ronaldinho', and his change of style from an adventurous attacking midfielder to a energetic powerhouse as a result of the injury seems like a good explanation.

It goes without saying it's difficult to meet the expectations of being the new Ronaldinho, when you no longer play like an attacking midfielder.
 
Top said:
I was trying to come up with an explanation as to why he currently doesn't look like living up to the ridiculously high exceptions he came with as the 'new Ronaldinho', and his change of style from an adventurous attacking midfielder to a energetic powerhouse as a result of the injury seems like a good explanation.

It goes without saying it's difficult to meet the expectations of being the new Ronaldinho, when you no longer play like an attacking midfielder.
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Or maybe our coaching staff saw him to be more useful as a allround player.
 
I dont get this crap about not being able to run at defences unless he is played further forward. The pitches aren't THAT big ffs!
I always think that people who run at defences from deeper positions cause more havoc as defences tend to back peddle. Ando has it in him to run at them from anywhere, why he doesn't i have no idea. He's certainly no Ronaldinho
 
Scholesy said:
Top, he is still lightning and very strong. Stop making excuses.
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Where have I said anything about strength?

The Anderson I am talking about is the one before we bought him, which most people will agree is different from the Anderson we see today, and I'm merely suggesting that his injury is a main reason why we didn't get same Anderson as the one which created all the hype.

One thing's for sure though, seeing him become a star here would be pretty sweet if only because it'd annoy the bejeesus out of you.
 
golden_blunder said:
I dont get this crap about not being able to run at defences unless he is played further forward. The pitches aren't THAT big ffs!
I always think that people who run at defences from deeper positions cause more havoc as defences tend to back peddle. Ando has it in him to run at them from anywhere, why he doesn't i have no idea. He's certainly no Ronaldinho
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The reason he doesn't run past defenders is quite simple. He has the pace, but not the guile. If you look at his close control, it's good when it comes to shielding the ball. He's got a very good turn of speed, but when he's at full pelt he can't jink in and out like Ronaldinho did in his pomp, or Messi or Ronaldo can. He's good in straight lines where he pushes the ball forward and runs to it first (which is why some have suggested he could actually make a decent left sided winger). But in terms of weaving in and out I don't think his close control is good enough.

This is why Anderson's first instinct when he finds himself in any kind of space is to pass. And more often then not he attempts ambitious passes. Ok, in a way that's a good thing. He's looking to release our strikers early, but half the time he overcooks the ball or the pass itself is easily read and intercepted (which leads me back to the conclusion that at this stage in his development he doesn't have enough guile to control the midfield).

Comparisons to Ronaldinho are silly. He's just not enough of a goal threat to even be mentioned alongside dinho. He may have been with Porto, but that was years ago. At no point in the last 3 years has he ever looked even close to being that deadly in front of goal.

I remember watching Ronaldinho Gaucho as a 19 year old. He looked lean, hungry and always good for a goal (ok, he was also raw as hell, but he looked an attacking midfielder who was better 20 yards from goal then he did in the middle of the park). Anderson simply doesn't look potent in front of goal anymore.
 
I still firmly believe Anderson can be a top, top midfielder. Does anyone really doubt he has the potential? If we're really seeing the resurgence of Nani, then there's no reason that I've seen yet that Anderson can't pull off the same.
 
Devilton said:
Couple of things regarding his speed.

1) He'd be faster if he dropped a few kilos.

2) The leg break took place years ago, and he's had plenty of time to heal from it. Furthermore, it's not really robbed him of his speed. He's still pretty quick in terms of acceleration but you don't see it too often because a) He doesn't play as advanced a position for us and so very rarely finds himself in positions where he's up against the last defender b) Defenders in the premier league are much better then in Portugal.

Anderson's problem isn't that he's got a lack of pace. Rather it's his inconsistency. You just don't know which Anderson is going to show up (now that I think about it, this seems a very Brazilian trait). On his day he can put Gerrard and Fabregas to shame, but then there are occasions where he looks atrocious even against relegation caliber midfielders.

Add to that the lads complete inability to score and just average passing range and you get a player who's performance during the course of a game can run from the sublime to the dreadful.
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I agree with the main gist of your post but not with the bolded part. His capable of executing jaw-dropping long-range passes - there's one he played to Giggs (against Pompey in a Cup match perhaps?) that sticks in my mind. Unfortunately its just another part of his game that is terribly inconsistent. If he could pull it all together and improve on the basics of positioning and decision making he'll be a beast, if not he'll continue to flatter to deceive. He's still so young for a central midfielder, but his lack of progress has been frustrating.
 
niMic said:
I still firmly believe Anderson can be a top, top midfielder. Does anyone really doubt he has the potential? If we're really seeing the resurgence of Nani, then there's no reason that I've seen yet that Anderson can't pull off the same.
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I wonder if ppl realise that he's only 21... plus, shouldnt we have learned from past players that were written off too soon?
And if he plays well for 3-5 games, ppl will be praising him again
 
championo said:
If SAF will permit, it will be a good idea to really loan Anderson to Gremio or Vasco da gama, he needs reprogramming, his shooting needs realignment, he needs his confidence to be restored. Getting yelled act for messing up will set him backwards at this stage.
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IMO he'd benefit best from a loan somewhere in England. If Saf ever thought that a loan was a good option for him.
 
Top said:
Where have I said anything about strength?

The Anderson I am talking about is the one before we bought him, which most people will agree is different from the Anderson we see today, and I'm merely suggesting that his injury is a main reason why we didn't get same Anderson as the one which created all the hype.

One thing's for sure though, seeing him become a star here would be pretty sweet if only because it'd annoy the bejeesus out of you.
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:lol:
 
I would just like to say a little off topic but these last few pages have been great. Some real discussion here and all of it very interesting.

Back to the point at hand. People are quick to tell me Anderson is a flop I had a pal sprouting the same rubbish on my FB page today but yes he is young and yes he is inconsistent but when he gets a consistent run of games he will be fine.

I was discussing who will be the better out of Lucas, Denilson and Anderson and purely because he is playing so many games a season for Arsenal my money is on Denilson.
Once Anderson puts himself into the position where he will be gettin these games he will be fine.
 
I remember people being absolutely infuriated with Fletcher when he was 23+!

Now everyone sings his praises - but fact is that Anderson has much more raw talent that Fletcher!

Tx
 
OneUnited24 said:
Nothing from his interview with SKY, tbh i think we will just have to wait and see what happens over the next few days with this situation.
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Yeh, especially as you've got to think he's in line for a start against Arsenal, as you'd expect another 451, and is Scholes likely to start two in a row
 
From Tribal Via The Sun

Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson is ready to fine and sell Anderson after he want AWOL this week.

He flew home to Brazil where he met Vasco Da Gama's director of football Rodrigo Caetano, when he should have been training in Manchester.

Caetano denied the meeting in Rio was about a possible transfer.

He said: "He's a great kid but, in terms of trading him, it's very unlikely.

"He has a good contract with Manchester and I cannot keep feeding this type of pipedream."

But United will now listen to offers for the central midfielder, who signed from Porto for £18million in July 2007, says The Sun.

Ferguson will fine him the maximum two weeks' wages.
 
Why the feck did he go to Brazil? Stupid of him if true. I thought he was in line for a start at Arsenal but I guess not.
 
As I said before, I doubt any player under Sir Alex would dare to leave without permission. I dont remember a case in the past anyway. And if yes, the player knows exactly what to expect when coming back. So I doubt Anderson would be that stupid
 
Silly boy. Whoever is advising him has fecked up their job. Best thing Anderson can do is come back, talk to the boss, take his punishment like a man, ask for a second chance and try to get his career back on track. Nani has shown it's possible and that Fergie isn't the hard bastard he used to be in his younger days.

Come back. Kiss the ring and ask the Pope for forgiveness son.
 
The Brazilian Run Away Gene.
The press will undoubtedly ask Sir Alex about it at tomorrow's press conference.
 
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