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Close to win the CL ? In what world Football doesn't work like that, it's not a feast of hypothesis.
Plus what makes you think he'd have been player of the year with the dreadful World Cup he had ? Remember Ronaldinho in 2006, he was the best player in Europe leading Barca to a double (League and CL) but it took a horrible WC to destroy his chances of winning individual prizes such Ballon d'Or or FIFA World player ot the the year.Ronaldinho displayed a much better football than Rooney did last season.Get real
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Why do people suggest £50m for #Rooney? Unhappy/untenable at #MUFC, out of form/fitness, 18 mths left on contract by Jan. Can't see it
can't see us getting anywhere near £50m either
Why do people suggest £50m for #Rooney? Unhappy/untenable at #MUFC, out of form/fitness, 18 mths left on contract by Jan. Can't see it
can't see us getting anywhere near £50m either
Vidic isn't that type of player. Instead, as I said earlier, we play Stoke this weekend, all SAF needs to do is pick up the phone, call Shawcross and call in a 'favour'
So getting knocked out in the quarter finals is "close" to "winning" the Champions League?
At the moment I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that it's similar to the Keane and Rio situations in the past. Or he's had enough of the media attacking his personal life (the details didn't officially come out till September but he knew they were coming from early August I believe - same basic timing to when Fergie has said the contract talks broke down) and is somewhat depressed and wants out of the country.
If it's the former, hopefully we come to a deal (as long as he's asking for a realistic amount). If the latter, hopefully once things settle down he'll come back to his senses and sign the new contract.
Give him the benefit of the doubt for now. If things are worse than that I'm sure we'll know soon enough and we can then attack him mercilessly. But if it is 'just' one of the situations I've mentioned above, our own fans turning on him could push him out the door. Basically, don't cheer for him but (for now at least) don't boo him either. Absolutely no good can come from that, but a hell of a lot of bad can.
If it's the former, hopefully we come to a deal (as long as he's asking for a realistic amount). If the latter, hopefully once things settle down he'll come back to his senses and sign the new contract.
Give him the benefit of the doubt for now. If things are worse than that I'm sure we'll know soon enough and we can then attack him mercilessly. But if it is 'just' one of the situations I've mentioned above, our own fans turning on him could push him out the door. Basically, don't cheer for him but (for now at least) don't boo him either. Absolutely no good can come from that, but a hell of a lot of bad can.
I'd imagine someplace closer to the fee we got for Beckham to be honest. What we need is for a couple of clubs to show interest and get the price up that way - if we're left with just one club looking to sign him then we're struggling.
Listening to SAF of course he'll play but he won't be a priority and can see him coming of the bench a lot more till he's sold.
Another hero becomes a non hero. Wayne, you've gone from a player I respected and supported to a giant turd. Get out of OT quick as possible and shut the door behind you please.
Not a cnut like Ronnie. A true cnut. C U N T.
Not a cnut like Ronnie. A true cnut. C U N T.
Is that even close to be the case with Rooney ? It's time to stop comparing Ronaldo and Rooney (even if you really didn't) cause one is great world class player and the other is a wannabe world class player.
I wouldn't be surprised if United wanted to come public with the matter because Fergie intended to sell in the summer anyway, after getting him to sign however. Maybe Fergie see's more into Rooneys current form as a decline of the player in general, and who are we to second judge Fergie.
Had those been his intentions and when he did sell Rooney, there would have been an enormous fan backlash as he is probably our most popular player. By coming out now he can get rid without the huge uproar and because of Rooneys reluctance to sign, were not losing out too much interms of £ as opposed to keeping it quiet. Ideally he would have liked him to sign, then get rid as it offers a bigger bargaining chip to potential suitors.
Had those been his intentions and when he did sell Rooney, there would have been an enormous fan backlash as he is probably our most popular player. By coming out now he can get rid without the huge uproar and because of Rooneys reluctance to sign, were not losing out too much interms of £ as opposed to keeping it quiet. Ideally he would have liked him to sign, then get rid as it offers a bigger bargaining chip to potential suitors.
Well the 'world class' subject is not an easy one to partake in (and usually one i'd avoid) because at the end of the day people's opinions on the criteria differ. That said, if a player is in the top five in the world in his position then i'd be of the opinion that he is world class.
Rooney is. Tevez? Possibly not.
The strange thing is his, apparent, flat out refusal to discuss a new contract with the club. That seems awfully final to me, in his mind at least, and suggests he knows there's another club waiting. Real are distancing themselves from it whenever they're asked, can't see Barcelona getting the cash or room, and those are the only two major foreign sides that he'd really aim for. I fear that his head's been turned far, far, far closer to home...
I really don't think it's about escaping the media. I think he'd be happy to go to City.
I also just really don't think that the fans showing their love for him will matter a jot. The club, both inside and the supporters, have always been great to him. It's very childish of me, but I don't want to give him an easy ride as he waits to leave the club, I kind of want him to have to live in hell. And I really do think he's now waiting to leave, if he's been doing this for a couple of months with Fergie trying to persuade him, then I don't think his mind will change.
The way things are, that would be a great deal, but we won't get that amount, try the 25-28 range.
still more worried about Fergie's reaction. When a player does this you'd expect him to feck him off immediately and come out all guns blazing about moving forward and closing the chapter.
But he looked devastated... and the stuff about "leaving the door open" was so un-Fergie like.... we all know hes fecked players off for less.
But he looked devastated... and the stuff about "leaving the door open" was so un-Fergie like.... we all know hes fecked players off for less.
Yes, that, or if (either club in) Madrid showed any interest in him, we should be happy with a swap deal. Either Rooney for player + cash, or Rooney + cash for Ronaldo. I don't think swap deal is beyond reach in a January sale.
Not a chance - SAF looked deflated today.
To be honest, I'm so angry I might play football manager and use it to manually lower all of Rooney's stats.
That'll teach him
That'll teach him
As I said, Rooney's one escort short of an orgy.
Based on Fergie's comments today I'd say he most definitely did not want to sell.
We'd have to beat Lyon first and seeing as they weren't exactly push-overs (well, they were for Bayern but for the rest of the tournament they were slid) and then beat on-fire Inter side with Mourinho in charge, a side that beat Barcelona quite comfortably at their ground. I don't think we'd have won the CL even if we had beaten Bayern, we weren't good enough, and let's be honest, we only played a half of football against Bayern, they were on top of us for the other 135 minutes.
What I don't understand is why he feels the need to come out all guns blazing like this. If he wants out then there is nothing we can do, but what actually possessed him to start a public war with Fergie? I fail to see how that could possibly benefit him in any way. We know he's not the brightest lad but whoever is giving him advice isn't much better.
As it stands he is gone. Although I would have preferred a scenario where this whole mess didn't happen and everything was rosy we have to resort to damage limitations here. If it even ended up that Rooney realised he was making a terrible mistake and groveled to Fergie then that would be brilliant and I'm sure whatever decision Fergie made we would support. None of that seems very likely at the minute so the important thing is to keep him out of domestic rivals hands and get as much money as we possibly can and try to strengthen the team in the process.
As it stands he is gone. Although I would have preferred a scenario where this whole mess didn't happen and everything was rosy we have to resort to damage limitations here. If it even ended up that Rooney realised he was making a terrible mistake and groveled to Fergie then that would be brilliant and I'm sure whatever decision Fergie made we would support. None of that seems very likely at the minute so the important thing is to keep him out of domestic rivals hands and get as much money as we possibly can and try to strengthen the team in the process.
Not a chance of that happening.
I'm deleting him on Pro. Not moving him. Deleting. And I'm going to give him alopecia.
Rooney is not top 5 in the world at his position. You really need to get over it. He doesn't even have a recognized position that his solely his. Supporters wanted him in the hole, SAF said he is best used as a CF and played him as a true no.9 and on the left wing in the past. His best season was when he played leading the line. He's only had one stand out season and even then he wasn't THAT great. Your rose tinted glasses are still on, take them off.
He comes into every pre-season unfit, lacks the training discipline of Ronaldo. Every season he goes through a patch of inconsistency. For a striker he is nowhere near as clinical as his peers in front of goal. His first touch and technical ability on the ball are that of a Englishman.
Not a chance he'll stay. There's too much of a shitstorm. The way Ferguson talked about him today I can't see there anyway to repair the damage.
I'm going to wait and see how this ends before making a decision.
We paid £27million for him when he wasn't even that famous, on the back of a good Euro tournament and he had two years on his deal back then as well if my memory serves me right. Since then he's proven himself to be a quality player who can make it at the top level, though he hasn't fulfilled his entire potential to be completely honest. Besides, notice how prices have gone up since then, £27million doesn't really buy you a top class footballer anymore, we paid £17million for Valencia who was nowhere near that bracket.
Footballistically (Wenger speak) it'd be good for us if he stayed... but I'm not sure how he would get along with Fergie, the rest of the team and the fans.
The way Fergie described the situation, with all the details, it may be over for the fat scouser.
The way Fergie described the situation, with all the details, it may be over for the fat scouser.
Not holding my breath but It'd be nice if he mans up and offers the fans an explanation at some point.
If he thought he was becoming stagnant as a player here or just fancied a new challenge I could accept that but if it's about money then he can just go feck himself as far as I'm concerned.
If he thought he was becoming stagnant as a player here or just fancied a new challenge I could accept that but if it's about money then he can just go feck himself as far as I'm concerned.
At the same time world class players dominate big games, and do it on a consistent basis, being top 5 in the world doesn't neccessarily equate to that.
Yes Rooney had big games for us but in reality in the UCL when we won and got to the final it was Ronaldo who certainly made the difference.Added to the fact that his performances in the WC were nothing short of a disgrace, he has to go some to truly regarded as world class
That was the biggest surprise
No matter how Fergie looked today, it surely has to do more with his disappointment from Monday's stories and Rooney not acting as a professional like he asked him too. After all, he's known he wants out for a while now.
Ronaldo is a much better professional, and can still come up with something even when off form. He never suffered from the massive inconsistency of Rooney.
In the future? Only god knows!
I dreamed a dream in time gone byyyyyyyy
When hope was high and life worth living
But the tigers come at night
When hope was high and life worth living
But the tigers come at night
Fergie suggested in his interview that you can't overlook the things in play when it comes to contracts and transfers. Rooney really has little say in contract negotiations other than agreeing with his agent when the agents says lets hold out for £x p/w. I have no doubt that Rooney's entourage are being fecking dickheads, but Rooney isn't doing a whole lot other than sitting still while his club and his entourage battle it out. If this is the case then he should grow a set, but it's a problem throughout football at the moment.
It's still too early to say what will happen imo. I'm sure Rooney doesn't know yet himself. I'm sure his entourage will push him towards the best financial deal possible wherever that may be, but it's Rooney that has to sign on the dotted line at the end of it, and I'm not convinced that money are his personal motivations.
Doesn't make any sense that. Why should he think his career's over because he had a threesome with some hookers. After all, how was anyone to know.
Did they tell him they were going to leak his sex antics to the press, or is telling the press about their customers normal procedure for prostitutes.