No wonder you're keen on metrics if your memory's so poor you can't remember Nani's best individual performance from last season.
Against Bayern.
At Old Trafford.
On the left wing.
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No wonder you're keen on metrics if your memory's so poor you can't remember Nani's best individual performance from last season.
Against Bayern.
At Old Trafford.
On the left wing.
Why should ?
When this dumb shit below:
Is the best defence you can come up with. On top of being just dumb you clearly don't have a clue what 'incredibly limited' means.
I agree entirely, his effort that his the bar yesterday is testament to his prowess with his left foot, as is his goal when he cut in from the right and fired home with his left against Bursaspor.
Yep, that was his best performance, but he is more consistent on the right IMO
I'd say he plays well on both wings, as long as he has room to cut inside.
You're all assuming that Valencia will be coming back from injury the same player. When evidence suggests thats never the case. I'm not writing Valencia off, but i'm also not putting unfair expectations on the lad to come back and be the same player he was. Thats simply an unrealistic dream.
Nani's best performance was against Arsenal (on the right wing), and that can be added to a battery of other examples.
Nani played well against Bayern too. But that was against a fullback with more ambition getting forward than defending. It's worth noting 90% of Nani's underwhelming, dissapointing and frustrating performances for United pre jan came off the left wing. It's also worth noting we bought him as a right winger with a big reputation, and that he also plays right wing for Portugal. Switching him to the left to accommodate Valencia isn't right.
And the text you've quoted of mine is with regards you suggesting Valencia can/has switched to the left for United, with success. Which is bollocks. All you've done is pick out a microcosm of activity (similarly with the Nani/Bayern argument) to buttress a flawed viewpoint.
Well you are wrong. Right now he is clearly way more consistently brilliant on the right than on the left. Hoepfully by the season's end that will change and he will be ace regardless of where we play him.
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I concur
Yeah, that's a big unknown in this. I'd say Nani will be playing right wing for most, if not all of the rest of this season.
If Valencia can get back to his best, though, and continue the improvement he's shown since coming to the Premier League then there's no reason he won't get his place back on the right wing for the next and subsequent seasons.
Why should ?
When this dumb shit below:
Is the best defence you can come up with. On top of being just dumb you clearly don't have a clue what 'incredibly limited' means.
I think I've a pretty decent grasp of what 'incredibly limited' means. I just need to look at one of your posts, which fulfil a pretty sizeable chunk of the 'dumb shit' written on here.
I don't see why not. He's clearly got it in him to be better than Ashley Young, Johnson or the vast majority of wingers regularly playing on the 'opposite' flank.
Nani has said he prefers the right side. He is good on the left too, but I prefer him on the right.
Yea but you think Anderson should be a left back.
Nani is much better on the right flank than on the left, and its quite obvious, regardless of how good he was against Bayern. That said, i'd stick him back on the left when Tony Valencia returns.
Why would you play your best players out of position though? It's the same argument of playing Rooney on the left. If Nani's fit and in form then he plays on the right. Simple as that in my book.
Until Valencia reaches the same heights as Nani, then he should always be sacrificed?
Exactly right, and if that leaves us short on the left (which imo it does) then that should be an obvious area we look to bolster in Jan/Summer
What are his stats like for this season? Something like a goal/assist per game?
I actually agree with Jopubs post a few pages back. He is a major onfield cnut these days, and it doesn't take much before he is rolling on the ground clutching his face.
But, he's our cnut for the moment. I think he'll do exactly the same as Ronaldo. He'll grow to become on of the best players in the league, will be hated by everyone bar United fans, and when he is at his best he will be sold to Real Madrid. Pretty sure of that tbh.
But, he's our cnut for the moment. I think he'll do exactly the same as Ronaldo. He'll grow to become on of the best players in the league, will be hated by everyone bar United fans, and when he is at his best he will be sold to Real Madrid. Pretty sure of that tbh.
Because Nani is very good on the left wing as well, possibly better than any available left winger out there and we cannot exactly afford to purchase a £15m winger just because Nani's slightly worse on the left, when we already have two wings occupied by quality players if you decide to play him there.
Unless, of course, you want to use Park or Obertan there but that's not the way to go.
Yeah something like that. Similar performance levels off the right for Portugal too.
But after 3 years of underperformance on our left wing some are still suggesting we move him back there when Valencia returns. Crazy
How many good left wingers are there that would be available. Nani is as good if not better than most playing there. Stick him there and Valencia on the right. It's about the team not one individual players.
He has 30 goals/assists in his last 30 games.
I think hes got 8 assist in the league
Valencia played out left then in those times? Crazy blind fools.
I can't help thinking Nani is one of the most talented players I've ever seen at United. If only he could always turn that talent into performances, as he has it all. Every time he gets the ball he looks threatening and that is really refreshing to see.
I think he is consistent now. He's basically been doing it for a year straight now. This is clearly a case of a player who has made it.
Because we're better with Nani and Valencia in the team, than with just one of them. It is that simple.
I'm starting to wonder what Nani would be like given a free role in attacking midfield. Call me crazy, but i'm starting to see shades of Ronaldinho. I'm not saying we should play him there now whilst he's on form, but if he ever has a prolonged dip in form and we want to try something new, I think that should be given a chance. He clearly has the technical ability and vision.
You seem to be right, the site I got it from was out of date. Edited.
Agreed, but he still isn't producing like he could do. He still has that really frustrating side where he gets himself into great positions and takes a tumble or makes a poor decision.
I think you're being a tad harsh on the lad. He's basically as productive as any player in the league when you count goals and assists.
Look at yesterday's game - goal and assist. Sure there are times when he can be frustrating, but it's just the nature of this sort of player and Ronaldo had similar characteristics. But he's making match winning contributions each time he takes to the field.
I think this could be a 20 goal season for him.
Yeah but all players have that side to them, Ronaldo and Messi are fairly consistant now but while they were developing they had those moments where you would question why they did that - they even do it now but because people know what they are capable of those moments are wiped off. Nani imo is our most consistant attacker, when hes on the ball you feel something is going to happen and i think its because of this i feel people are harsh on the lad when he doesnt produce. Also he gets the ball more than any other player on the pitch so if you look at his whole performance you are bound to see some aspects you dont like.
Hes prone to making the odd mistake/poor cross but the point is hes ironing them out of his game, i think hes at around 70% of really showing us what he can do. I fully expect by the end of the season thats up to 90% and boy we'll have some player on our hands.
Nani has scored 10 goals this year, and I know he's started 29 games this year, but does anyone know the exact number of assists?
I'd also like to draw attention to my ongoing crusade against the "Malouda is better than Nani" canard. Nani scored one and created one against a champion's league team, Malouda continues to create nothing against good teams. It's annoying that older posts disappear around here, because I made a comparative list, and Malouda's only impact against any decent side in the last year or so has been an assist against us, Nani on the other hand has scored or created multiple goals against Spurs (2 goals, 2 assists), Arsenal (a goal and an assist), Bayern (2 goals and an assist), and Chelsea (2 assists).
edit: Going purely from memory I've got 20 assists from Nani, 18 in the league and 2 in Europe. I know the "assist" remains an unpopular concept with many, but it's just about the best way to judge creative players, except for Iniesta.
I'd also like to draw attention to my ongoing crusade against the "Malouda is better than Nani" canard. Nani scored one and created one against a champion's league team, Malouda continues to create nothing against good teams. It's annoying that older posts disappear around here, because I made a comparative list, and Malouda's only impact against any decent side in the last year or so has been an assist against us, Nani on the other hand has scored or created multiple goals against Spurs (2 goals, 2 assists), Arsenal (a goal and an assist), Bayern (2 goals and an assist), and Chelsea (2 assists).
edit: Going purely from memory I've got 20 assists from Nani, 18 in the league and 2 in Europe. I know the "assist" remains an unpopular concept with many, but it's just about the best way to judge creative players, except for Iniesta.
Im truly astonished at how underrated Valencia is on this forum by certain people, its as if last season didn't exist or something, he was voted in the premier league team of the year by his fellow pros for a start so that tells you something, maybe we should also ask Wayne Rooney who he thought was his main source of goals??
Valencia was consistently very good for us last season, his crossing was majestic and his pace and direct play tormented full backs week after week, he was second only to Rooney as our most consistent attacking player, and yet the way some people speak you'd have thought he'd just thrown in a season of liam miller displays...christ, very limited player? bloody hell.
When Valencia comes back to fitness theres absolutely no reason why he shouldnt come back into the side on the right and Nani switches to the left, for the simple reason a United team with both Nani and Valencia in it is a stronger one than just Nani on the right wing, Nanis got all the attributes to be a beast on the left, hes already shown he can thrive out there and given its conducive to him cutting inside and shooting on his stronger foot which he loves to do anyway i see no reason why he cant flourish, i do think its a myth thats building up on this forum that he cant play on the left to the level he does on the right.
Just to make sure of no misunderstanding here i don't think anyone's suggesting Valencias a better player than Nani, he isnt, hes different but hes also very very good at what he does and his delivery played a key role in our points haul of last season, without him Rooney wouldn't have got close to 34 goals last season.
To suggest we just dump him after the season he gave us i find ludicrous.
Valencia was consistently very good for us last season, his crossing was majestic and his pace and direct play tormented full backs week after week, he was second only to Rooney as our most consistent attacking player, and yet the way some people speak you'd have thought he'd just thrown in a season of liam miller displays...christ, very limited player? bloody hell.
When Valencia comes back to fitness theres absolutely no reason why he shouldnt come back into the side on the right and Nani switches to the left, for the simple reason a United team with both Nani and Valencia in it is a stronger one than just Nani on the right wing, Nanis got all the attributes to be a beast on the left, hes already shown he can thrive out there and given its conducive to him cutting inside and shooting on his stronger foot which he loves to do anyway i see no reason why he cant flourish, i do think its a myth thats building up on this forum that he cant play on the left to the level he does on the right.
Just to make sure of no misunderstanding here i don't think anyone's suggesting Valencias a better player than Nani, he isnt, hes different but hes also very very good at what he does and his delivery played a key role in our points haul of last season, without him Rooney wouldn't have got close to 34 goals last season.
To suggest we just dump him after the season he gave us i find ludicrous.
Yeah there are some people on here with very short memories
And as for this gem....
I wouldn't mind but coming from an Arsenal fan of all supporters its laughably ironic especially considering a certain striker of yours you've had auditioning for the 20 metre platform sine August...
People in glass houses and all that.
I wouldn't mind but coming from an Arsenal fan of all supporters its laughably ironic especially considering a certain striker of yours you've had auditioning for the 20 metre platform sine August...
People in glass houses and all that.
To be fair Pogue, the play Nani on the right call has nothing to do with which foot is his stronger one. It's the fact that his performances have always been that bit better and more consistent when played on the right.
Hopefully he can carry that form and consistency over to the left when Valencia returns, but if not I have no problem having a left winger (whether that's Cleverley, Bebe, Obertan or someone we buy) and letting the three of them duke it out.
There's also the fact that he's become a much better player in the last 10 months, which has coincided (but is not necessarily because of) him playing on the right.
Over this period of time he's only rarely played on the left but has put in some quality performances when picked on that flank (including arguably his best ever in a United shirt). He's also put in some poor performances too, as he has on the right (these tend to get ignored by the "Nani has to play on the right crew").
He might well be slightly more effective on the right but the difference is nowhere near as big as some seem to think and it's certainly no reason to marginalise a player as effective as Antonio Valencia.
Actually, it's more like the 'Rooney should play in the hole, always' argument, and we all know how that turned out...
He's still developing his game so pinning him down to one position seems a bit pointless at this stage.
The thing is Nani is a confidence player and as Fergie has stated he likes to play on the right, the problem really stems from the fact Valencia can't play on the left at all, so they can't do what Ronaldo and Nani do and switch about during the game, if Valencia could do that it would be great and offer an extra dimension.