It's a lot about politics and money, but England not hosting it, or USA, wont damage football support in this region much, if at all. It'd be a great WC no doubt, but there's no real benefit money vise compared to anywhere else imo. Both Qatar and Russia offers potential new markets for football, and also a lot of money up front for the 'leaders of world football' or something like that as some guy on the presentations called them. Probably a whole lot of other benefits for people living in these regions as well, just like with Brazil hosting it in 2014
World Cup 2018 & 2022 bids
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If the FA wanted to go about reforming football internationally they should go on the offensive and target one of Blatter's idiosyncracies such as the referee is always right even when he is wrong. We should go out and install goal line technology in all of stadiums tomorrow and actively use them, much of Europe thinks the same as we do in such methods and we should do all we could to make them follow our lead. If Blatter didn't bend to our will and set a convention that the European giants have vague oversight of FIFA and instead tried to sanction or isolate us he would push us over the edge.
At the more elite levels it is accurate but once you get beyond No.50 it begins to get questionable.
It'll still leave the rest of them though.
Egypt won the most recent African Cup of nations, Italy & France crashed out in the group stage of the WC.
Agreed, hence my suggestion to limit applicants to the top 50 or have been in the top 50 within a limited period of the bidding deadline (1 year or 2).
Why all the Qatar hate?
Egypt weren't even at the world cup, so how can they rise above teams who qualified and it be fair?
We should host an alternative world cup in 2018 for teams that failed to qualify.
It might even include England!
It might even include England!
Because we all know the qualification process is flawed.
Plenty of teams who failed to qualify are miles better than the likes of N Korea or Honduras.
A week or two ago I was actually wondering if we were considering doing this with the goal line technology. It's well known that we favour it and I'm sure many others are coming round to that way of thinking too. Let's hope we do.
Except oil, I honestly cannot think of a reason why Qatar should or even deserve to host a WC.
Why do the US or Australia deserve it any more than Qatar?
As I've said, it's flawed, but not FAR wrong, they're perhaps within the top 20.
Or, just as pertinent, why do Qatar deserve it more than USA or Australia?
I've gone over it so many times, here's a short summary:
1. The ridiculous heat, for the fans travelling in the country,
2. The terrible football team, they are ranked 113 in Fifa's own ranking ffs,
3. The laws - limitation on alcohol, women clothing, stoning homosexuals - great for kick homophobia out of football, isn't it?
Need I go on?
I'm not saying they do necessarily, i haven't been keeping up with the bids at all. I'm just a bit surprised at people saying it's a farce Qatar have got it.
Not to mention that all the fans will need to be imported.
Ah....never realised.....should be a fairly large bulk of tickets wandering about with no home, just waiting to be ordere... sorry "adopted". Wonder if anyone from FIFA will "adopt" them.
So you think it's a great idea to give the World's premier FOOTBALL tournament to a country who are terrible at football. Hmm...
Let's have Qatar host the Winter Olympics as well...
Egypt have been one of the best sides in Africa down the years, go look at their African Cup of Nations record.
You dont think it'll potentially be of benefit to countries in the Middle East?
What was the weather like in 86 in Mexico?
Fair enough they have quite a rubbish team, but then Japan and South Korea weren't exactly world beaters in 2002 were they? They were better than Qatar are now but not much better.
They've said they'll be allowing alcohol freely during the World Cup haven't they? As for the laws on womens' clothing, i'm not sure how strict they are on it. If it's anything like Dubai then it won't be a problem for anyone. There's no defence for the homophobia, but i wasn't aware Kick Homophobia out of Football was a movement now? Fact is there are homophobes all over the world, and i'd be surprised if they actually practice stoning in Qatar.
If the bid came from Saudi Arabia or Bahrain, one of the slightly better footballing countries in middle east, it might just make a little sense.
This is a FOOTBALL tournament, for it to go to a country who are just dreadful at football is plain ludicrous.
Their last 5 results:
Qatar 1:2 Iraq
Qatar 0:1 Haiti
Kuwait 1:0 Qatar
Yemen 1:2 Qatar
Qatar 1:1 Saudi Arabia
Bahrain aren't any better than Qatar
Do you think there's really a reason other than simple bribery that Qatar got it?
I don't see a flaw in the WORLD cup being spread around the world at all, why should the same old names get it year in year out?
There is no reason they can't host the winter Olympics, after all tehy can create the required conditions for the games. (although the likely host of the next games is in fact in a suptropical climate)
So being the best of a poor area for competetive football historically makes you world top 20?
Disgrace that Qatar got it over USA and Australia - it's not elitism it is fact. If you can't see that, good luck to you.
As for Russia? Well don't even get me started. England was the option, the correct one; good one FIFA.
"It's not even the fact that Qatar and Russia got the Cup(s) - there's many reasons to knock it, but you don't even have to. It's the process. I refuse to believe on merit England and Australia should recieve 1 and 2 vote(s) respectively. That is what really gets me. The system. The process."
As for Russia? Well don't even get me started. England was the option, the correct one; good one FIFA.
"It's not even the fact that Qatar and Russia got the Cup(s) - there's many reasons to knock it, but you don't even have to. It's the process. I refuse to believe on merit England and Australia should recieve 1 and 2 vote(s) respectively. That is what really gets me. The system. The process."
You have done well contradicting yourself.
West Ham 4 - 0 Man United
Does that mean because of one result that West Ham are a better team in your view?
Not at all, the way cal? is talking you would think Qatar will lose games like that 10-0, whereas in fact they seem to have given a decent performance, and if I remember correct Qatar's striker missed an open goal in that game.
Just woke up and I have to say that even though I have only had a passing interest in the England bid I am actually really disappointed, I think FIFA have messed up on this one.
I'm sorry but Japan and Korea ARE much better sides.
Japan were ranked 26, Korea 51 when they were awarded the hosting rights in May 1996. Somewhat different to 113!!
Alcohol will be allowed in designated areas, it'll be a farce.
There are homophobes everywhere, but not many country actually have laws against homosexuality.
http://www.asylumlaw.org/docs/sexualminorities/Qatar080505.pdf
Bahrain is actually a good example of what Qatar can do in a short space of time. In fact Bahrain is even smaller than Qatar and they were in the play offs with New Zeland for a WC place.
On a side note Saudi Arabia would not make any sense - that really is the place where you cant touch alcohol and all women are covered in public - they give the rest of the region a bad rep.
Qatar is light years ahead of that and I think a big event like this will encourage it towards further liberalisation for the good of the entire region.
I do actually think the best idea would have been a joint Gulf bid. UAE, Bahrain, Qatar & Oman - all have their own stadia already and the travelling distance would still be less than most of the single country bids. That really would have been something to encourage the growth of the game in the whole region.
All 4 could enter normal WC qualifying plus there would an extra place available to one of them via a playoff among the 4 hosts.
They are now, but they still aren't smashing teams home and away in the asian qualifiers. How well did people honestly expect them to do in 2002 though? Nobody expected them to get out of the group stages. Ditto for South Africa this summer.
Hey, hand it round, go to Australia or some other country who are actually decent at football.
You have done well contradicting yourself.
One result changes everything? I can't be bothered to list more of Qatar's recent results, but feel free to take a look.
Please don't leave out slavery. To build these stadiums, many, many workers will be brought in and basically be used as slaves to build giant stadiums that will sit and rot after the WC ends.