Luka Modric / Signs for Real Madrid

Aaron said:
They might. Certainly if they could raise some cash to compensate missing out on the CL, any way of doing so which means they avoid having to sell Gareth Bale, may in the end look like an attractive deal.
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They have already stated numerous times that they won't.
 
Aaron said:
They might. Certainly if they could raise some cash to compensate missing out on the CL, any way of doing so which means they avoid having to sell Gareth Bale, may in the end look like an attractive deal.
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I don't know why they'd need to compensate on missing out on the CL nor why so many people keep mentioning it...

It means that you're making the assumption that they were planning ahead over the next few years on the assumption that they'd be in the Champions League regularly, that they'd be in the Champions League next season, and that they'd have budgeted around that. Do you really think they assumed they'd be in the Champions League next season?
 
Brwned said:
I don't know why they'd need to compensate on missing out on the CL yet people keep mentioning it...

It means that you're making the assumption that they were planning ahead over the next few years on the assumption that they'd be in the Champions League regularly, that they'd be in the Champions League next season, and that they'd have budgeted around that. Do you really think they assumed they'd be in the Champions League next season?
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Well they certainly would have at at least preliminary plans for the next season which would have included the CL money. Once they got into the competition last season the aim would have been to repeat that this year. They would have had best and worst case scenarios planned out too though, no question.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
Actually, "he is not for sale, and we have no intention of selling him" is saying quite a lot.
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Something that's said before 99% of transfers actually go through.

I'm not saying there is necessarily anything in this but we've got to have a naivety and of a child and memory of a gnat to think that a denial, from club or player (sometimes both) mean anything much these days.
 
Man-United said:
Carrick and Berbatov from Spurs comes to mind.
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Almost every transfer I can recall, ever, comes to mind to be perfectly honest.

It's just the way things go, isn't it?

Rumour, denial, rumour, rejection, bid, negotiation, re-bid, deal.

Again not to say every, or even most transfers where there is a denial actually happens, but a denial itself is no more an indication of what will happen as a Michael Fish weather report.
 
dave2528 said:
It doesn't make any sense for a team that's trying to crack back into the top 4 to sell off their best midfielder.
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Exactly so.

The only exception is if so much money were offered (and I'm talking silly, silly, silly money here) that Spurs could go out and sign two players who are just as good as Modric.

Some posters on here talk as if the club is facing some kind of financial meltdown (due to no CL income next season) and thus need to sell either Modric or Bale. But in fact Spurs have earned pots of extra money this season and probably have more spare cash going into this summer transfer window than they've had for many years.
 
I read on a totally disreputable rumours site that Modric's reps have met United reps several times in recent months.
 
They could sell Modric for £20m, get Parker for £8m and dramatically reduce the wage burden too.
 
Aaron said:
Something that's said before 99% of transfers actually go through.

I'm not saying there is necessarily anything in this but we've got to have a naivety and of a child and memory of a gnat to think that a denial, from club or player (sometimes both) mean anything much these days.
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No, it isn't.

It makes zero sense for Spurs to sell him, they don't need to sell him, they have already said they won't sell him, and the player has made no indication that he wants to leave.

This is not rocket science.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
No, it isn't.

It makes zero sense for Spurs to sell him, they don't need to sell him, they have already said they won't sell him, and the player has made no indication that he wants to leave.

This is not rocket science.
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Oh sorry, I forgot all those transfers where clubs issue a 'Come get him' plea for their players.

Denials, from all sides, precede virtually EVERY top-level transfer these days.
 
Aaron said:
Oh sorry, I forgot all those transfers where clubs issue a 'Come get him' plea for their players.

Denials, from all sides, precede virtually EVERY top-level transfer these days.
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A minute ago it was all transfers. Now it is top level transfers.
 
Brwned said:
I don't know why they'd need to compensate on missing out on the CL nor why so many people keep mentioning it...

It means that you're making the assumption that they were planning ahead over the next few years on the assumption that they'd be in the Champions League regularly, that they'd be in the Champions League next season, and that they'd have budgeted around that. Do you really think they assumed they'd be in the Champions League next season?
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Spurs' financial success as it were has been built on tight wages. They've made and lost plenty in transfer fees but always from a low wages base which is critical. I don't think the planning process is as easy as you imply given that they have some players who know they could hugely increase their wages with a move away. They'll either keep the low wages bases and sell these players at a profit or risk some inflation in their salary bill to keep themselves competitive for fourth place.

This is why the stadium is so key for them.
 
Clubs like Spurs are run on tight margins, they don't have a large stadium for constant revenue so every now and then they have to sell a player on at a profit to balance the books. Not making the CL might make the difference in whether they consider a bid or not.

Also players have a finite career and Modric is probably as ambitious as others and that might sway him that little bit extra to knock on the managers door and say I would like you to accept the bid. Them not making the CL is deffo a plus for us if we are after him.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
A minute ago it was all transfers. Now it is top level transfers.
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Well it's like speaking with someone who wants to deny the sky is blue.

Denials before a transfer happens are far from unusual, they are almost as routine as an auction programme on day time TV.

It just seems bizarre that you don't accept that.
 
Man-United said:
Carrick and Berbatov from Spurs comes to mind.
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Carrick was not as key for Spurs as Modric is and nor was he as good a player.

As for Berbatov, he didn't have 5 years left on his contract (Modric does) and nor was he 25 years old. Plus he was desperate to leave and cut up rough about it. Modric isn't and won't.
 
Aaron said:
Well it's like speaking with someone who wants to deny the sky is blue.

Denials before a transfer happens are far from unusual, they are almost as routine as an auction programme on day time TV.

It just seems bizarre that you don't accept that.
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You said it happens in 99% of all transfers. You made that up. You are now saying it happens in virtually all "top level transfers." You made that up, too.

By all means provide me with some evidence to back up your claims.
 
Donkey's Ears said:
Spurs' financial success as it were has been built on tight wages. They've made and lost plenty in transfer fees but always from a low wages base which is critical. I don't think the planning process is as easy as you imply given that they have some players who know they could hugely increase their wages with a move away. They'll either keep the low wages bases and sell these players at a profit or risk some inflation in their salary bill to keep themselves competitive for fourth place.

This is why the stadium is so key for them.
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Ah, now that makes a lot more sense! I'd imagine Pienaar's on slightly inflated wages and you can bet VDV is higher than most as well as the potential new contracts for others, so I can see the wages side of the argument to an extent. I still think the finance issues have been overplayed, mind.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Carrick was not as key for Spurs as Modric is and nor was he as good a player.

As for Berbatov, he didn't have 5 years left on his contract (Modric does) and nor was he 25 years old. Plus he was desperate to leave and cut up rough about it. Modric isn't and won't.
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Bollocks. At the time Carrick was possibly your best player. You just convinced yourselves that you had ripped us off and got a good replacement in Zakora.

But you're right that it depends on Modric. If he wants to go, and why wouldn't he, then this could happen.

One thing I know for certain is that Redknapp himself thinks there is a good chance Modric won't be there next season.
 
Donkey's Ears said:
Bollocks. At the time Carrick was possibly your best player. You just convinced yourselves that had ripped us off and got a good replacement in Zakora.

But you're right that it depends on Modric. If he wants to go, and why wouldn't he, then this could happen.

One thing I know for certain is that Redknapp himself thinks there is a good chance Modric won't be there next season.
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How do you know that for certain?
 
GlastonSpur said:
Carrick was not as key for Spurs as Modric is and nor was he as good a player.

As for Berbatov, he didn't have 5 years left on his contract (Modric does) and nor was he 25 years old. Plus he was desperate to leave and cut up rough about it. Modric isn't and won't.
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Might not sit there with a puss on but he only has to say I would like to go and its the same difference.
 
They said that they won't sell him, how can anyone trust Tottenham about that? We, if any, should know as we signed Carrick and Berba who "were not for sale"...
 
Lance Uppercut said:
You said it happens in 99% of all transfers. You made that up. You are now saying it happens in virtually all "top level transfers." You made that up, too.

By all means provide me with some evidence to back up your claims.
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You're being daft.

If I said, 99% of the time, Denis Irwin played well, would you really expect it to be a reasonable rebuttal to ask someone to 'prove it'.

It's a figure of speech. People say '99%' as a substitute for what they perceive to be 'most'.

Unless we're going to play the pathetically pedantic game, in which case you surely should have to back up your counter claim to my original, that it doesn't.

Also, provide minutes of any discussions that Modric has had with the club evidencing that he's never indicated that he wishes the club listens to offers if any should come in.

If we're getting into the game of 'everything you say has to be proven statistically and factually'
 
Lance Uppercut said:
How do you know that for certain?
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Same as you know for certain Modric has never given any indication that he wishes to leave the club.

Unless you're going to give links to every media article every written about him to back this up, so we can see there have never been any reports of him doing so.

See this whole 'back up everything you say' game is a pisser, isn't it?
 
Lance Uppercut said:
How do you know that for certain?
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I know that in conversation Redknapp has talked openly of his anxiety about Modric and where he will be next season. This is different from interviews on TV which might be all politics with Levy.

It doesn't mean he is coming to us or even that he is leaving just that the idea of Modric leaving has some credibility within WHL itself.
 
Aaron said:
You're being daft.

If I said, 99% of the time, Denis Irwin played well, would you really expect it to be a reasonable rebuttal to ask someone to 'prove it'.

It's a figure of speech. People say '99%' as a substitute for what they perceive to be 'most'.

Unless we're going to play the pathetically pedantic game, in which case you surely should have to back up your counter claim to my original, that it doesn't.

Also, provide minutes of any discussions that Modric has had with the club evidencing that he's never indicated that he wishes the club listens to offers if any should come in.

If we're getting into the game of 'everything you say has to be proven statistically and factually'
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A particularly long winded way of admitting you were talking shite.
 
Aaron said:
Same as you know for certain Modric has never given any indication that he wishes to leave the club.
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I didn't say I knew for certain, dummy.

Unless you're going to give links to every media article every written about him to back this up, so we can see there have never been any reports of him doing so.

See this whole 'back up everything you say' game is a pisser, isn't it?
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Not when you are involved. I asked him how he knows "for certain" what Redknapp is thinking.

You are not very good at this.
 
O'Sheady said:
Clubs like Spurs .... every now and then they have to sell a player on at a profit to balance the books. ...
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I'm afraid you are clutching at straws.

Spurs will be posting their highest ever income results this summer - results that will likely push us into the global top 10 in terms of turnover. So when you say "clubs like Spurs", which other clubs are did you have in mind?
 
Global top ten means a rise of maybe two places.

You don't have to sell to avoid financial difficulty no. You might have to sell to move forward.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I'm afraid you are clutching at straws.

Spurs will be posting their highest ever income results this summer - results that will likely push us into the global top 10 in terms of turnover. So when you say "clubs like Spurs", which other clubs are did you have in mind?
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Other clubs who's grounds have a capacity in the thirty thousands. Until you get yourself a bigger ground you will end up selling your best players occasionally. I would have thought you would have accepted that by now.
 
O'Sheady said:
Other clubs who's grounds have a capacity in the thirty thousands. Until you get yourself a bigger ground you will end up selling your best players occasionally. I would have thought you would have accepted that by now.
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Man. Utd sold their best player quite recently as I recall ... and it wasn't prevented by virtue of your big stadium.

You know, there are other financial factors involved in football besides stadium income .... massive debt springs to mind as one example here.

To sum up: Spurs are in a healthy financial position with zero need to cash in on Modric or Bale. This is one reason why only a silly money offer would cut it ... and I don't see Man. Utd being in that market.
 
What do you mean by a silly money offer exactly?

Modric is a good player, on a long contact, and will obviously be expensive.

Expensive doesn't meant silly.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Man. Utd sold their best player quite recently as I recall ... and it wasn't prevented by virtue of your big stadium.

You know, there are other financial factors involved in football besides stadium income .... massive debt springs to mind as one example here.

To sum up: Spurs are in a healthy financial position with zero need to cash in on Modric or Bale. This is one reason why only a silly money offer would cut it ... and I don't see Man. Utd being in that market.
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Exactly why you can't be sure that Modric will be at Spurs next season, nowadays players rule the roost, but the smaller the club(not saying Spurs are a small club just smaller) the more likely it is they will be tempted to sell. As to the debt, fair point, if we don't have the cash nothing will happen. Spurs also need cash to build a stadium I thought , no?
 
Donkey's Ears said:
What do you mean by a silly money offer exactly?

Modric is a good player, on a long contact, and will obviously be expensive.

Expensive doesn't meant silly.
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It does if the club involved doesn't wish to sell, has no financial need to sell and has ambitions of its own.

By silly money I mean 50m+
 
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