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"They violated every inch of my body"- Egyptian women speak about sexual attacks
Source: Human Rights Watch - Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:02 AM
Author: Human Rights Watch
LONDON (Thomson Reuters Foundation) - Egyptian mobs sexually assaulted and in some cases raped at least 91 women in Cairo's Tahrir Square over four days of protests calling for President Mohamed Mursi to step down, Human Rights Watch said.One woman needed surgery after being raped with a sharp object. Other women were beaten with metal chains, sticks, and chairs, and attacked with knives. In some cases they were assaulted for as long as 45 minutes before they were able to escape.“The rampant sexual attacks during the Tahrir Square protests highlight the failure of the government and all political parties to face up to the violence that women in Egypt experience on a daily basis in public spaces,” said Joe Stork, deputy Middle East director at Human Rights Watch, in a statement.In a video produced by the U.S.-based rights watchdog, several women describe their experience of being sexually attacked in a country that is becoming notorious for the sexual harassment of its women.Egypt's army ousted Mursi on Thursday in a crackdown on his Muslim Brotherhood movement that won several elections last year. The clock started ticking for Mursi when millions took to the streets on Sunday to demand he resign. They accused the Brotherhood of hijacking the revolution, entrenching its power and - critically for many - failing to revive the economy.Yikes....and these were progressive protestors.
This has been an all too common element to the Egyptian protests with victims ranging from demonstrators to journalists, is it the greater media attention or something unique to the country's culture and treatment of women?
Nick your guess is as good as mine...obviously respect for women/personal space are areas where there are a million horror stories - but this wanton abuse/rape/criminality is a product of Lord knows what...
A somewhat more detailed and nuanced look at why we are where we are in Egypt today: Link forwarded by a friend
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/25/us-egypt-mistakes-specialreport-idUSBRE96O07H20130725
A somewhat more detailed and nuanced look at why we are where we are in Egypt today: Link forwarded by a friend
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/25/us-egypt-mistakes-specialreport-idUSBRE96O07H20130725
I was being sarcastic, genius.
The army shooting at Pro Morsi supporters have now really shown their is nothing they will stoop to.
The struggle for power and the limits to which men would go in order to obtain it are completely disturbing.
As always, Bob. You have been missed, btw.
Egyptian troops clear pro-Morsi sit-ins; Brotherhood says 120 killed
Security forces, backed by armored cars and bulldozers, move to clear two sit-in camps by supporters of ousted President Morsi; authorities say only 26 hurt, no deaths
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4417525,00.html
Security forces, backed by armored cars and bulldozers, move to clear two sit-in camps by supporters of ousted President Morsi; authorities say only 26 hurt, no deaths
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4417525,00.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...h-cameraman-for-Sky-News-killed-in-Egypt.html
British cameraman for Sky News killed in Egypt
A British cameraman working for Sky News was killed today as Egyptian forces moved in to clear protesters demanding the reinstatement of ousted president Mohamed Morsi.
Mick Deane, 61, was shot during the raid on activists camped in Rabaa al-Adawiya Square in Cairo, where thousands of supporters of Mr Morsi’s Muslim Brotherhood had staged a six-week sit-in.
No other members of the Sky News team covering the violence in Egypt were hurt.
Mr Deane, who was married with two sons, had worked for the channel for 15 years, based in Washington DC and Jerusalem.
John Ryley, the head of Sky News, described him as “the very best of cameramen, a brilliant journalist and an inspiring mentor to many at Sky”.
He added: “The loss of a much-loved colleague will be deeply felt across Sky News. Our thoughts and prayers are with his wife and family. We will give them our full support at this extremely difficult time.”
Tim Marshall, Sky News’s foreign affairs editor, said Mr Deane was "brave as a lion" at the same time as being humane, "humorous and wise".
David Cameron, the Prime Minister, added: "I am saddened to hear of the death of cameraman Mick Deane, covering Egyptian violence. My thoughts are with his family and Sky News team."
A second journalist was also shot dead in Rabaa al-Adawiya Square today.
Habiba Ahmed Abd Elaziz, 26, a police and courts reporter for the United Arab Emirates-based Xpress newspaper, was not on an official assignment and had returned to her native Egypt on annual leave, her employer said.
Her younger sister, Arwa Ramadan, who lives in Sharjah in the UAE, said the young journalist had been in the square’s mosque this morning.
Her mother spoke to her on the phone early in the day, but when she rang back at midday there was no response.
“She called again, and somebody picked up the phone and told her Habiba was dead. My dad, who is in Egypt right now, confirmed it later,” Ms Ramadan said.
Mazhar Farooqui, the deputy editor of Xpress, said: “It’s hard to believe she’s gone. She was passionate about her work and had a promising career ahead.”
British cameraman for Sky News killed in Egypt
A British cameraman working for Sky News was killed today as Egyptian forces moved in to clear protesters demanding the reinstatement of ousted president Mohamed Morsi.
Mick Deane, 61, was shot during the raid on activists camped in Rabaa al-Adawiya Square in Cairo, where thousands of supporters of Mr Morsi’s Muslim Brotherhood had staged a six-week sit-in.
No other members of the Sky News team covering the violence in Egypt were hurt.
Mr Deane, who was married with two sons, had worked for the channel for 15 years, based in Washington DC and Jerusalem.
John Ryley, the head of Sky News, described him as “the very best of cameramen, a brilliant journalist and an inspiring mentor to many at Sky”.
He added: “The loss of a much-loved colleague will be deeply felt across Sky News. Our thoughts and prayers are with his wife and family. We will give them our full support at this extremely difficult time.”
Tim Marshall, Sky News’s foreign affairs editor, said Mr Deane was "brave as a lion" at the same time as being humane, "humorous and wise".
David Cameron, the Prime Minister, added: "I am saddened to hear of the death of cameraman Mick Deane, covering Egyptian violence. My thoughts are with his family and Sky News team."
A second journalist was also shot dead in Rabaa al-Adawiya Square today.
Habiba Ahmed Abd Elaziz, 26, a police and courts reporter for the United Arab Emirates-based Xpress newspaper, was not on an official assignment and had returned to her native Egypt on annual leave, her employer said.
Her younger sister, Arwa Ramadan, who lives in Sharjah in the UAE, said the young journalist had been in the square’s mosque this morning.
Her mother spoke to her on the phone early in the day, but when she rang back at midday there was no response.
“She called again, and somebody picked up the phone and told her Habiba was dead. My dad, who is in Egypt right now, confirmed it later,” Ms Ramadan said.
Mazhar Farooqui, the deputy editor of Xpress, said: “It’s hard to believe she’s gone. She was passionate about her work and had a promising career ahead.”
100 dead now - State of Emergency declared.
Army being praised for showing restraint
Army being praised for showing restraint
Official death toll - 149
MB says - 300
So you'd think 200 is an accurate figure...yikes
MB says - 300
So you'd think 200 is an accurate figure...yikes
ElBaradei resigns from his post as vice-president as a result of today's clashes
I know someone who's in Egypt right now, they claim the death toll is around 2200. 
Yep, it's all over the media that MB is claiming that there are 2200 victims, while the Egypt foreign ministry is saying that there are 149 victims. The truth surely is somewhere in the middle, but anyway it is too much and a very sad day. It will probably become even worse.
Official death tally - 278
Crazy...I don't think 500 dead is such a stretch now
Crazy...I don't think 500 dead is such a stretch now
Official tally - 525 dead
MB claim 2000-2500
So you figure 1000 is a fair estimate - that is horrendous - brilliant to see the other half of Egyptian society keep silent. You are now morally no better than the MB...infact probably worse - after all the Brotherhood don't claim to be enlightened progressive liberals.
MB claim 2000-2500
So you figure 1000 is a fair estimate - that is horrendous - brilliant to see the other half of Egyptian society keep silent. You are now morally no better than the MB...infact probably worse - after all the Brotherhood don't claim to be enlightened progressive liberals.
I was reading about this for hours last night. What a horrible situation.
I have only been following this very loosely, I have read a fair bit to day and the situation is horrifying.
Just seen this on Sky and I am gob smacked.
http://news.sky.com/story/1129141/egypt-force-not-excessive-ambassador-says
How can over 1000+ people dead NOT be excessive force, the man is a bloody idiot.
Just seen this on Sky and I am gob smacked.
http://news.sky.com/story/1129141/egypt-force-not-excessive-ambassador-says
How can over 1000+ people dead NOT be excessive force, the man is a bloody idiot.
One thousand ppl gunned down in a day - I don't even remember how, how many died leading up to Mubarak being deposed? Less than a 100?
I notice no condemnation from fellow Muslim brothers - I bet if the Israelis had killed 50 there would be massive protests and talks of genocide...
I notice no condemnation from fellow Muslim brothers - I bet if the Israelis had killed 50 there would be massive protests and talks of genocide...
Turkey, Iran, Pakistan as well as others have condemed it. Those that are interested in rolling back the Arab spring, Bahraine, UAE, Qatar and ofcourse those arsehole Saudis have come out in support
Arab Spring
The Brotherhood's call for a 'march of anger' not really the best idea for calming down a shit violent week.
Dozens more killed today. Looks like anger was met with military fire.
100 dead now - State of Emergency declared.
Army being praised for showing restraint
All of them should be eliminated.
Fundamentalist wahabhi scum should be shown no mercy.
Who do you want dead now?
10 Million people who voted for Morsi's party.
Yeah, that was my impression too. Judging by VR's previous concern for human rights in other ME venues he must be one of the Muslim brothers Neutral was referring to.
So, Mubarak was a dictator, replaced by Morsi, a dictator in the making, now again being replaced by the Military & Mansour. Let's see what happens next.
I very much hope international observers are taking notes and those ordering the killings are taken to task.
civil war. I would not have believed in Egypt. country is crumbling.
if the military has all the power, why the killing? The protestors are not armed are they?
Morsi can stop this if he wants, but this suits him.
if the military has all the power, why the killing? The protestors are not armed are they?
Morsi can stop this if he wants, but this suits him.
He is under arrest feck knows where
The authorities can't allow mass sit ins which make people's lives in Cairo unbearable. There are also reports of armed protesters. There is a substantial number of casualties among security forces too if reports are to be believed.
No immediate way out for Egypt here. This certianly looks like going towards a civil war.
No immediate way out for Egypt here. This certianly looks like going towards a civil war.
Oh dead this is terrible. Difficult to get my head around the situation really. On the face of it large numbers protested to get Morsi out, large numbers protested to get him back in, and now the Military shooting civilians is commonplace? Are some of these 'protesters' armed or something?
It certainly looks pretty irretrievable at the moment.
It certainly looks pretty irretrievable at the moment.
Seems to me that Iraq isn't that much better off without Saddam, but just plunged into a slightly different kind of terror and disaster. Same goes for Libya after Gadaffi and for Egypt after Mubarak. And we're all probably soon realise that Assad was the best option for Syria as well.
Not at all, only the hardcore supporters who spew all sorts of hatred and it is because of them millions of egyptians rallied against MB.
Religion and politics dont mix well.
That's anything between 100,000-1,000,000 deaths right there. How about eliminating Hamas while you're at it?
Definition of the Movement
Ideological Starting-Points
Article One:
The Islamic Resistance Movement: The Movement's programme is Islam. From it, it draws its ideas, ways of thinking and understanding of the universe, life and man. It resorts to it for judgement in all its conduct, and it is inspired by it for guidance of its steps.
The Islamic Resistance Movement's Relation With the Moslem Brotherhood Group:
Article Two:
The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of Moslem Brotherhood in Palestine. Moslem Brotherhood Movement is a universal organization which constitutes the largest Islamic movement in modern times. It is characterised by its deep understanding, accurate comprehension and its complete embrace of all Islamic concepts of all aspects of life, culture, creed, politics, economics, education, society, justice and judgement, the spreading of Islam, education, art, information, science of the occult and conversion to Islam.
That's anything between 100,000-1,000,000 deaths right there. How about eliminating Hamas while you're at it?
Definition of the Movement
Ideological Starting-Points
Article One:
The Islamic Resistance Movement: The Movement's programme is Islam. From it, it draws its ideas, ways of thinking and understanding of the universe, life and man. It resorts to it for judgement in all its conduct, and it is inspired by it for guidance of its steps.
The Islamic Resistance Movement's Relation With the Moslem Brotherhood Group:
Article Two:
The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of Moslem Brotherhood in Palestine. Moslem Brotherhood Movement is a universal organization which constitutes the largest Islamic movement in modern times. It is characterised by its deep understanding, accurate comprehension and its complete embrace of all Islamic concepts of all aspects of life, culture, creed, politics, economics, education, society, justice and judgement, the spreading of Islam, education, art, information, science of the occult and conversion to Islam.
True that. Religion and state should always be totally separate affairs. This is why all this Arab Spring bollocks was never going to work as you cannot fight for democracy but at the same time wanting to keep the state and its constitution 'islamic'.
HR, you're forgetting that Hamas was democratically elected + all the good social and charity work they're doing for the community