A people's Revolution

niMic said:
Remember that Christian fundamentalist moron who wanted to start burning Korans a couple of years ago? Yeah, he's involved with this.
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Actually he may not be, and 'Sam Basile' may not be Israeli either. One of the film's 'consultants' says it's made by a group of largely middle-eastern origin evangelists.
 
Its an odd mistake though considering Arabic doesn't have a 'p' sounding letter in its alphabet. I mean I've heard plenty of 'Bebsi' and 'Broblem' but never 'Pehavior'. Must be a B(p?)edoun thing.
 
Looks like 'Sam Bacile' is Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, possibly an Egyptian.

The 'Israeli-American' thing may be a confusion with an American real-estate agent called Jimmy Israel who auditioned for it and then was apparently approached to produce it.

It was apparently originally meant to be about the persecution of the Copts, but then dubbed over to make it all about Islam. And it probably cost under $100,000.
 
They love their lasers, these protesters. I reckon you could add a Chemical Brothers soundtrack to the footage and it'd look like a massive rave.
 
U.S. Embassy in Cairo responds to Muslim Brotherhood's tweets....lol..

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For more on the story..

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCon...d-Arabic-too-US-embassy-tells-Egypts-Bro.aspx
 
gooDevil said:
Have people been hurt in the Cairo protest? If not, what's wrong with the Muslim Brotherhood praising the protests and calling for a 'million man march?'

Besides the fact, of course, that the US has pretty much nothing to do with this WUM film in question.
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You don't think it's a bit disingenuous to say "sorry about that whole thing where some of our people climbed your embassy and burned your flag, glad you're all ok in there" in one language and "Ok guys, next time let's make it EVEN BIGGER!" in another?
 
It's a good job they weren't doing it during the Cuban missiles crisis

@Kruschev: Yeah OK we pull our #missiles out Turkey but in secret. No way I'm losing face here bitch.
 
Bletchley
.@GCHQ: Gentlemen, the boys and girls downstairs tell me they have cracked the #Enigma Code.

GCHQ
.@Bletchley: Scotch on us, old boy. Jolly good show #overbychristmas

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.@GCHQ: Danke v much for the info #stupidEnglishpigdogs PS still lolling @Dunkirk pwnage
 
Turns out the guy that made that film was a Coptic Christian from Egypt. (sorry if that has been posted already)
 
Excal said:
You don't think it's a bit disingenuous to say "sorry about that whole thing where some of our people climbed your embassy and burned your flag, glad you're all ok in there" in one language and "Ok guys, next time let's make it EVEN BIGGER!" in another?
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Was it the Muslim Brotherhood's people who entered the embassy grounds and burned a flag? I wasn't under the impression they were 'behind' the protests, but even if they did organize them I'm not sure that means they're responsible for unlawful acts committed by protestors unless they directed them to break the law.

Personally I don't think it makes sense to attack US government installations over the world's worst movie as if they made it themselves, but I'm sure there's plenty to protest against in general against the US presence in Egypt.

In the grand scheme of things, climbing a wall and burning a flag isn't that much of a problem. Considering our long term backing of Mubarak, and the much worse things that happened under his regime, it's nice of them to let us have an embassy, imo. The US trying to take the moral high ground in Egypt is disingenuous on another level entirely.
 
gooDevil said:
Personally I don't think it makes sense to attack US government installations over the world's worst movie as if they made it themselves,.
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Especially when the guy responsible is allegedly an Egyptian. :lol:
 
gooDevil said:
Was it the Muslim Brotherhood's people who entered the embassy grounds and burned a flag? I wasn't under the impression they were 'behind' the protests, but even if they did organize them I'm not sure that means they're responsible for unlawful acts committed by protestors unless they directed them to break the law.
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The President of Egypt is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice Party makes up the largest part of the ruling coalition in the Egyptian Parliament. They are, essentially, the ruling party, meaning yes, they are in fact responsible for ensuring that foreign embassies are not attacked.
 
Excal said:
The President of Egypt is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice Party makes up the largest part of the ruling coalition in the Egyptian Parliament. They are, essentially, the ruling party, meaning yes, they are in fact responsible for ensuring that foreign embassies are not attacked.
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Yes, but governments have varying degrees of success controlling their people, surely the Egypt demonstrations were a result of the demonstrations in Libya, and the infamous movie that triggered the Libya demonstrations, not because of a statement the Muslim Brotherhood made.

From what I can tell, government statements have little effect on spontaneous demonstrations, unless it's such a statement that triggers them, or an announcement of government capitulation over the issues in question.

I'm sure it's true that the law says that the Egyptian government is to provide security when needed to protect foreign embassies. Is there's any reason to think the Egyptian government intentionally provided a substandard security response? If so, that would be very disappointing, but stopping a mob from entering a compound isn't easy, the initial security may have been overwhelmed.

There's nothing wrong with demonstrating, if a few people take it too far and break the law that's not a brush with which to tar them all.
 
gooDevil said:
Yes, but governments have varying degrees of success controlling their people, surely the Egypt demonstrations were a result of the demonstrations in Libya, and the infamous movie that triggered the Libya demonstrations, not because of a statement the Muslim Brotherhood made.
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Are you even reading the thread? You've got the order of the Egyptian and Libyan incidents wrong, and the Muslim Brotherhood made a statement praising the protest, and calling for a larger one on their Arabic-language twitter feed.

I could have a more informed discussion of this with Romney ffs...
 
They both happened on 11 September, right? I thought I read the Libya one happened first, excuse me if I'm incorrect, but that's really not relevant to the point I was trying to make. I'm suggesting the motivation of the demonstrators comes from their reaction to the film in question, the knowledge that other people are demonstrating and the general anti-US sentiment, not government statements.

Are you saying you read 'Muslim Brotherhood made a statement praising the protest, and calling for a larger one' as 'Muslim Brotherhood say to break more laws and burn more flags'?

I just see a political group calling for lawful demonstrations, but maybe I'm missing something. I know the Muslim Brotherhood don't have the best reputation, should I be reading between the lines that the Muslim Brotherhood is inciting violence?
 
Apoligies for my ignorance, but why is there such an uproar against America all across the middle east? The film that supposedly mocked their God wasn't made by the American Government or anything. None of this is making any sense to me.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Apoligies for my ignorance, but why is there such an uproar against America all across the middle east? The film that supposedly mocked their God wasn't made by the American Government or anything. None of this is making any sense to me.
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An Egyptian TV preacher said it was made by the US government, and then the rumour spread that it was an Israeli-American director and financed by 100 Jews and distributed by evangelical Christians, including that Terry Jones character (as in, that idiotic Florida pastor, not the mother in Life of Brian).

None of this appears to be true, but most of the people rioting don't seem to have done that much research...
 
gooDevil said:
They both happened on 11 September, right? I thought I read the Libya one happened first, excuse me if I'm incorrect, but that's really not relevant to the point I was trying to make. I'm suggesting the motivation of the demonstrators comes from their reaction to the film in question, the knowledge that other people are demonstrating and the general anti-US sentiment, not government statements.

Are you saying you read 'Muslim Brotherhood made a statement praising the protest, and calling for a larger one' as 'Muslim Brotherhood say to break more laws and burn more flags'?

I just see a political group calling for lawful demonstrations, but maybe I'm missing something. I know the Muslim Brotherhood don't have the best reputation, should I be reading between the lines that the Muslim Brotherhood is inciting violence?
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As far as I can see, you said there was nothing wrong with praising the protests, and encouraging them to be BIGGER on their arabic feeds, whilst apologising for them in their English one. There's a difference between a government not objecting to a civil protest, and actively encouraging a misguided one that turned, or could turn hostile. They were ostensibly about the film, which is increasingly turning out not even be remotely connected to the US, so either way, it's entirely retarded to praise them anyway, especially from the government of said country. And disingenuous to give your contrasting reactions only in the languages of the people you assume will read them.
 
My question - what has this got to do with the American Governement?
 
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