You scaremonger you.
Alex Salmond and Independence
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It's actually an interesting thing for my employers. We have 2 area control units, Swanwick in Hampshire & Prestwick in Scotland, both of which are governed by the Civil Aviation Authority, feck knows what would happen with regards to that if they vote yes. I can guess what the preferred option will be, and it's not good for Ayrshire.Also regarding Economic issues vs others - the economy is the main thing being discussed because it's arguably the main area of change for an independent Scotland. "National identity" and all that crap is really not relevant (not because it isn't important) because Scotland already HAS a national identity, and it isn't something that is under threat in the slightest.
I was reading the round up of World News on the BBC today and most international papers seemed to be under the impression that a Yes vote would lead to Cameron's resignation.
Anyone actually think its a possibility? Can't see it myself.
Anyone actually think its a possibility? Can't see it myself.
Of course it looks patronising if you quote it out of context. It was said in reply to a comment about "national identity and culture", completely ignoring the economic issues.
I can't see that it would, any more than Salmond will resign if No wins.
I think it's almost a certainty. He would overnight become the Prime Minister who lost the Union and I think it's worth thinking about what a big deal that actually is. It is something that would define him in British history.
There will be a lot of angry people within his party if a Yes vote is returned. Remember that the party's full name is Conservative and Unionist Party, and for most of the establishment there is an entrenched emotional attachment to the idea of Britishness and the United Kingdom. Holding together the union is one of the most important parts of the party's constitution and Cameron, as the party leader and PM, would have to take ultimate responsibility for what will be perceived as his failure. And then from outside the party there are people like Nigel Farage who are already saying that Cameron would have to resign if Scotland votes to leave. The pressure would be too much for him.
I don't really see how the context changes the ignorance of the comment
The sooner that this over with the better now some SNP members are threatening BP or anyother companies that they feel are scaremongering and bullying that come the day of reckoning they will be dealt with, that in itself should be enough for most companies to make the decision to pull the majority of there businesses south of the border, having lived until I went to Germany in 87 half my life in Scotland I would if still living there most definatley vote no. On another not I was talking to a mate who is scottish but lives and works in France who was mightly annoyed by the fact that he as a scot has no say in the referendum but some foreign student who will be in Scotland for a couple years gets a vote, this just shows how much Salmond is trying to stack the vote in his favour.
If you can't see how context can change the meaning of something there's no point in trying to explain it you to.
Read the post. The comment, not a comment.
No its not. Its an economist's opinion. An economist with a vested interest it should be said. Very far from a fact.
MacDonald, MacMillan, Douglas-Home, Blair, Brown, Cameron - all UK prime ministers during the last 100 years, all have Scottish origins (and names). Perhaps it's a class thing, that the upper and middle class Scots are outward-looking internationalists at heart and the working classes are more interested in the nationalism of Salmond.
Scotland's greatest export is Scots. For a small population, they have punched above their weight for several hundred years, which is a credit to their intellect and character and ambition. United fans will understand that better than anyone.
Scotland's greatest export is Scots. For a small population, they have punched above their weight for several hundred years, which is a credit to their intellect and character and ambition. United fans will understand that better than anyone.
Scotland's legacy in mathematics, science and engineering is matched by only a few nations.
It's a great country and it would be a huge loss to the Union if they obtained independence.
Two things...
One - No vote strengthening.
Two - Labour is the problem.
I think that's an excellent point.
Isn't it. All that's missing is a Braveheart or Haggis reference.
For all the bad mouthing that Yes supporters have received from some on here I haven't seen 15 thousand of them marching through the country's capital proudly displaying anti-Catholic banners or anything at all like that, really.
I wish more people realised this. When Salmond comes out and says something it's lies. When pro-Union parties come out and give their differing opinion it's considered 'fact'. Says it all, really.
It'll be a No vote next week, no doubt about it, and I for one cannot fecking wait to see Lloyd's, Asda, B&Q etc sit around dumbfounded as to why their custom has declined.
It'll be a No vote next week, no doubt about it, and I for one cannot fecking wait to stop having to read anything Pink Moon writes again.
Because they didn't think they had too because they didn't think Scotland would be even close to voting yes. If they make their positions clear before a no vote they endanger their businesses north of the border. The best strategy was to say nothing prepare a contingency and if it gets close to happening then open your mouth.
It isn't bullying to say what you think might happen.
LMAO, if you actually believe that it'll be any more than a temporary pinprick then you're deluded. Especially for Lloyds, Scotland's contribution to them as customers is very small.
They're still putting their business at risk by opening their mouth. Instead of doing it in a respectable enough manner they've done it in such a way that lots of people up here feel they're being bullied. The end game is the same.
Why haven't other companies come out and voiced such concerns?
If their custom in Scotland is very small just now it's only going to get smaller. A pinprick? Maybe. Point being? Places like Asda and B&Q rake it in up here. I imagine thousands boycotting them after this would be more than a pinprick.
Had they come out last year and voiced these concerns, or, as has been claimed as far as Lloyd's goes that they've been planning this for "2 years" then only a small number of extreme nutjobs would have boycotted them. As it is now it'll be thousands. And it's not necessarily because of the action they're taking but how they're taking it.
How fecking depressing. Even if 100% of the Scottish public voted for independence you'd have these big, scumbag corporations with ties to Westminster who'd deliberately try and financially flatten a country simply as some sort of warped payback.
Many people outside of the UK have come out and condemned it but it's not been widely reported (obviously). Sad.
Because of people like you.
Keep stum and if its a no vote they can keep taking your money.
The "boycott" will last about 2 weeks, convenience/need will quickly cause the principles to be forgotten. It's the same with everything in consumer circles.
Asda, Lloyds and B&Q are in Westminster's pockets? Don't people usually claim that it is the other way round?
You are off the deep end here.
You and people who think like you are the reason they kept quiet, they didn't want to offend you and anything they say which casts doubt on the wisdom of voting for independence offends you and would hurt them. If it is improbable that it happens why get involved?
The thing that annoys me about all of this is the Scottish MPs attend Westminster, they affect how England is run as well as Scotland and yet they want Scotland to be independent. It seems to be one rule for Scotland and another for everyone else in the Union, which is wrong. Everyone should be getting a vote in this referendum, not just the Scotch.
Utter bollocks. This is a vote for the people of Scotland and them only.
In which case why are foreign temporary residents entitled to vote, whereas those of Scottish birth not in the country prevented from voting?
And why is that? Scotland leaving the Union affects us all.
I don't really understand that either?
I have a Niece and her partner who live in Scotland - 1 is English and 1 is Welsh yet they can vote.
Crazy !
You can't have an independence referendum wherein people not in the country that's voting for independence have a vote. That's not an independence referendum. If that applied across the world, you'd have countries being oppressed because they can't follow their own will.
Yeah, it affects you guys too, but if there was an independence referendum where we said Yes and England said No, we'd be in the union against our own will. If you don't like the fact that we want to leave the union, blame your own government. But an independence referendum where England could vote on what we want to do would be like handing Manchester United's transfer dealings to Chelsea. Yeah, it affects you guys too, but that's always going to happen in any referendum.
Yeah, it affects you guys too, but if there was an independence referendum where we said Yes and England said No, we'd be in the union against our own will. If you don't like the fact that we want to leave the union, blame your own government. But an independence referendum where England could vote on what we want to do would be like handing Manchester United's transfer dealings to Chelsea. Yeah, it affects you guys too, but that's always going to happen in any referendum.
It's a referendum which will affect those who reside in Scotland. If you extend it to those outside the country, you're having to let anyone with any claim to Scottish citizenship have a vote, which could distort the result when it's those living in the country who are affected by this.
If the UK had an EU referendum, should the entirety of the EU be allowed to vote? After all, that would affect them too?
Scotland isn't a country in its own right. You're not in the Union against your own will, you're part of the Union and it is literally only the Scotch who seem to make up a fuss about it. I actually think the rest of the UK would be better off without Scotland, we prop up your NHS and make university free for the Scotch, all the while having to pay for both ourselves.
We're a country within the UK, in the same way that England is, for example. We're in the union because we agreed to it 300 years ago, but if we want to leave it, then that should be allowed. Keeping a country within a political union against it's will would be oppression.
As for the university thing, that's complete and utter nonsense. The Scottish government have their own budget, and have decided to scrap tuition fees within that. They could change it tomorrow if they wanted to. It has absolutely nothing to do with the UK government, who assign us our budget. You don't decide whether or not we have free tuition. That's a devolved Scottish government decision.