Nicky just wants people to watch the beeb.
Not sure why, but no exit polls permitted.
Alex Salmond and Independence
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Not sure why, but no exit polls permitted.
Not surprising. Most people I know have voted Yes. It's the old feckers who don't know what a facebook is who've won this for No.
By that I mean that the facebook bias is unsurprising. It seems a lot of the younger age group are very Yes (besides the ones who are British nationalists).
The experts are still predicting a NO, not sure of the accuracy of the pollsters.
Please stop throwing pointless "facts" like this around. We all know there is no exit poll so no way of knowing any of the demographics of the vote.
I doubt it'll be near being split, 60-40 minimum in my opinion.
Yeah I'd agree with that, some Yes voters are beyond aggressive which puts many off airing their views in public. It's definitely been overstated (by social media they have a landslide) but I doubt the YouGov polls simply because there's no historical data to calculate the areas not asked, such as in general elections. For me, its genuinely impossible to call right now, despite the bookies odds.
Interesting you say that, because I have too. A couple of intelligent colleagues -one from Plymouth, the other Newcastle- hope this well lead to quite deep devolution with regional assemblies that have decent levels of power. They believe this would break the Westminster hegemony, engage the locals and actually better tackle local issues. I can see the logic on one level, but are we big enough to support an almost US-style federated system?
24 hour news channels are desperately trying to keep this interesting when everyone knows it's all over.
Vivienne Westwood
YES: “I hate England. I like Scotland because somehow I think they are better than we are. They are more democratic.”
I wonder if this will alter the sales in her shops ?
YES: “I hate England. I like Scotland because somehow I think they are better than we are. They are more democratic.”
I wonder if this will alter the sales in her shops ?
The No voters are just as bad man. I hate this myth that it's the Yes side who are volatile and violent. It's Scotland we're talking about here, it's full of violent arseholes and both sides have plenty of them.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/12/scottish-referendum-too-close-to-call-says-icm-poll
Darn oldies, such killjoys.
It'll be a comfortable No win, definitely.
How come the Guardian's poll last Saturday had the 18-25 year old age group as one of the staunchest 'no' voting tranches then?
You don't need exit polls to know that the older age group are predominantly No voters. I believe that to be the main reason why there's rumours that No have won the postal votes by a big margin.
I didn't say anything about violence or volatility - I said the YES group are more outspoken. The result will prove whether I am right or not, as you and plenty of others are saying how everyone you encounter seems to be voting YES.
Alex Ferguson
NO: "Eight-hundred-thousand Scots, like me, live and work in other parts of the United Kingdom. We don't live in a foreign country; we are just in another part of the family of the UK"
NO: "Eight-hundred-thousand Scots, like me, live and work in other parts of the United Kingdom. We don't live in a foreign country; we are just in another part of the family of the UK"
I started this, but it was rather niche and 100 questions.
Mendelssohn's Hebrides overture is a far better way to spend a few minutes.
Well I have seen reports saying that the young age group are predominantly on the NO side as they are (rightly) worried about the short term job cuts and economic consequences of independance, which will hit them hardest of all as the generation that is just coming out into the job market, seeking to build careers etc.
Again, the only fact is that we don't know how the demographics look. Saying "you don't need exit polls to know x y and z" is just ignorant, unless you have spoken to a statistically significant cross section of a voters.
It could be that the yonger No voters are voting No more out of negative reasons and selfish fears than what they presume positive or nationalistic ones.
Something like "would become tougher for me to get a job in next 2 years after graduating hence voting no" is hardly gonna get posted lot or gonna get lot of likes.
The result will be a No vote but rumours are Glasgow's a huge Yes city so it's no surprise that most I've encountered are Yes. I don't think it means much as far as the actual result is concerned, obviously.
This was Wales and NI supporters I spoke to, however a general point is that the rest of the UK is screwed if the city of London income is taken away from the UK then the rest is F****d. At what point does the south east go for independence and be a much richer province / country?
Disappointing, but there you go.
Seems reasonable. The idea of YES is more positive by nature and therefore easier to shout about. With all the scaremongering and intimidation claims I can't say I'm surprised if people are more hesitant to shout about why they are voting NO.
To be fair that just 24 hour news in general.
I'm northern but have lived and worked in London for about 14 years now. I hate all this north/south divide bollocks. I understand the economics underpinning it, but the southerners can be so sanctimonious about wealth generation but they certainly don't have a monopoly on quality of life. Not so sure why the devolution debate would spread from say Scotland and Northern Ireland to the provinces of England. Is this a new trend we are going to see globally, eg the Serbia/Montenegro split?
Sky have got a reporter on screen via his iPhone. Amateur stuff.
Why would they do that? I don't think most people feel having money is more important than having a country.
Great stuff from the BBC there.
What currency would they use and how would they defend themselves from ISIS, damn it.
Seriously though, I'd welcome that! No more Tories?! Yes please.
Most people under 30 are absolutely clueless when it comes to understanding political and economic consequences, so it's not at all surprising that younger people are more likely to vote yes. How many of the morons on your FB timeline even know what a currency union is, for instance? How many of them appreciate the immense vulnerability of things like pension funds in the absence of a secure currency?
Sometimes it can be said that the older vote is out-of-touch, selfish and even irrational on certain issues (Britain's position in Europe, for example), but if Scotland votes to remain part of the UK, I think this is one instance where the history books will assess the decision of the older vote as a wise and rational one amidst a sea of careless youthful fantasy and emotional bollocks.
I imagine it's been tough for the No voters, to be consistently told that voting no and campaigning for no is just negative. They are voting for what they feel is best for their country and they've almost been belittled - if you want to do the Facebook and Twitter 'polling' I've seen messages saying if you're voting No you're 'bottling it', somehow not being brave enough to take control.
But, far from this being a problem that stems from a negative No campaign, it stems from the Yes campaign just not being strong enough on facts about the future. The negativity comes from the vague positivity of the yes campaigners.
As I say, I feel for the No voters as I'm sure there is a % of them that would like to have voted Yes, but we're not given a viable option to do so.
Thankfully, most people look beyond simply how much money a province is generating.
Almost certainly never.
Just spot on.
There's the islanders view on the BBC, just imagine if the vote is yes and they decide to sod off with 30% of the oil!
Where would the leave the vague plans that Salmod has hinted over the course of the campaign?
Where would the leave the vague plans that Salmod has hinted over the course of the campaign?
We already have various forms of local government. At the same time as allowing government to be closer to the people they are serving, I think it is important for a national government to be able to control local extremism, like the radical Islamic school governors in Brum.
Not too sure the MP guy on Sky news quite believed in his words just now, his face was telling me something different.
That's such a minor issue in the great scheme of things- you been trapped on a desert island with only the Daily Mail to read for the last three years? Of course we already have local government, it's more about local parliament's being supposedly better in the know about funding the right local development and educational projects or whatever, as opposed to some centralised committee based in Whitehall.
London would have been fecked during the industrial revolution and would have been fecked without all pit/steel industries from Northern England and Wales post WW2 to get Britain back moving again, it was London that closed them all, they wanted to play Mum so let them do it.
84% turnout at Orkney. Lazy fecks. Can't imagine they had that far to walk to the poll station.
Scotland would always bottle it, they're better off remaining where they are.
Should these people really be coming on and telling us they've been sifting through the ballot boxes, and how they are looking?