American Cops Doing What They Do Best

Race had nothing to do with this. The officer has a black girlfriend, but even beyond that, why does a teenager refusing to listen to her teacher, the school office, and then the officer have anything to do with race?

I'll say this too since you touched on it, if black people take a stance like what you suggested ( why respect that authority because some officers are racist/assholes) then that will just serve to enhance the problem. Do you think if this was a black officer that you'd feel the same? Or that the media would be running the story with similar headlines? No, but everything has to be made about race when sometimes that has nothing to do with it, and masks the actual causes of the issue.
If the kid was white, would this have ended up in the same way? I'm not so sure personally, and it does seem that black American youths are treated a lot harsher than white American youths.

On the latter bit - if it was any person in a position of authority I'd feel the same. I'm not making it about race (was going by the headline), but it's undeniable that there is a prevalence of disproportionate violence / heavy handedness used against black people when it comes to policing. I don't really think this can be denied. Maybe in this particular incident it isn't a racial incident, but the reality is it is still an excessive amount of force (I've watched the video now btw), on a black teenager.

Nope. Learning by example from social media...seriously? A kid sees social media and does something stupid and you think it's understandable? :wenger:
You're missing my point.

If black kids are seeing these types of incidences, and their rising prevalence through social media and hashtags, what conclusions will they draw?

I'll answer that for you - probably the same ones some of us in this thread draw, namely - an excessive amount of violence when dealing with black people / ethnic groups, a lack of accountability for the officers in question, and racial undertones in policing. And for those reasons, I would lose respect for the policing force that is meant to 'protect and serve'.
 
She was asked to leave for breaking the rules. Continually refusing to leave after being asked by the teacher, the office, and then the officer. Why should everyone else's learning be disrupted because she thinks she can do what she wants?
I went to a school in a rough area and I've shared a classroom with plenty of disruptive students. The teacher would continue the lesson as best they could even if that meant a wasted lesson. A senior would then deal out punishments as they saw fit. Let's not pretend 11-12 years of schooling has just gone down the pan because of some disruption in an hour long lesson.

There's a number of reasons why handling the situation in that way was wrong. There is a far wider impact of that officer's actions. Ignoring the fact it was caught on video and it has gone viral, that girl and 20+ kids have just seen first hand how a young black female can expect to be treated by the police for, what amounted to, using her phone in the classroom. Could you ever imagine a young white female being thrown about like that.

Schools have a responsibility of looking after their students in variety of aspects, not just education. That girl has just been taught a lesson about the police and the authorities albeit one where she now knows she can expect to be unfairly treated regardless of witnesses.
 
Race had nothing to do with this. The officer has a black girlfriend, but even beyond that, why does a teenager refusing to listen to her teacher, the school office, and then the officer have anything to do with race?

I'll say this too since you touched on it, if black people take a stance like what you suggested ( why respect that authority because some officers are racist/assholes) then that will just serve to enhance the problem. Do you think if this was a black officer that you'd feel the same? Or that the media would be running the story with similar headlines? No, but everything has to be made about race when sometimes that has nothing to do with it, and masks the actual causes of the issue.
Black girlfriend or not, race has played a part here I feel.

Even if it was a black police officer, it would still point to a culture in the police force of treating blacks differently.
 
You're missing my point.

If black kids are seeing these types of incidences, and their rising prevalence through social media and hashtags, what conclusions will they draw?

I'll answer that for you - probably the same ones some of us in this thread draw, namely - an excessive amount of violence when dealing with black people / ethnic groups, a lack of accountability for the officers in question, and racial undertones in policing. And for those reasons, I would lose respect for the policing force that is meant to 'protect and serve'.

I get your point, but still disagree. There are loads of things a kid can learn through media and social media, most of it bad. Maybe it's a cause, but certainly not an excuse. You just generalised the entire US police force as a racist group with agenda against minorities. Surely that's not the case?

I can understand excess force, but are you claiming that is only used against Blacks, or that any excessive force against blacks must always have racist undertones? Surely that generic type casting. The kid comes across as a annoying brat who disrespects authority and maybe the officer just mishandled the case.

I surprised you keep jumping back to race, despite Skizzo pointing out that the officer has a black girlfriend.
 
Can't believe some are defending the way the police officer handled the situation. I don't see anyone sticking up for the girl, she's a troubled teen, she's not the first, she's not going to be the last - is this how kids deserve to be treated? dragged across the floor for being disruptive in class.
 
If the kid was white, would this have ended up in the same way? I'm not so sure personally, and it does seem that black American youths are treated a lot harsher than white American youths.

On the latter bit - if it was any person in a position of authority I'd feel the same. I'm not making it about race (was going by the headline), but it's undeniable that there is a prevalence of disproportionate violence / heavy handedness used against black people when it comes to policing. I don't really think this can be denied. Maybe in this particular incident it isn't a racial incident, but the reality is it is still an excessive amount of force (I've watched the video now btw), on a black teenager.


You're missing my point.

If black kids are seeing these types of incidences, and their rising prevalence through social media and hashtags, what conclusions will they draw?

I'll answer that for you - probably the same ones some of us in this thread draw, namely - an excessive amount of violence when dealing with black people / ethnic groups, a lack of accountability for the officers in question, and racial undertones in policing. And for those reasons, I would lose respect for the policing force that is meant to 'protect and serve'.

We can delve deeper into this discussion in terms of violence against blacks and as far as statistics involving which race is involved in most homicides against which. It'll continue to discuss poverty, community, institutional racism, and history. It'll start off as a somewhat interesting discussion and round table, but it'll only fall apart within a few posts and everyone will be screaming racism, and no one will be oh so friendly any more. So we can agree to disagree and see opposite view points here. thats not to discredit your point, or imply that racism doesn't exist, just that I don't believe it played a part in the actions here.

Black girlfriend or not, race has played a part here I feel.

Even if it was a black police officer, it would still point to a culture in the police force of treating blacks differently.

Oh ok, so race played a part because why? Because he's an officer? And the police are typically racist? You're basically painting the entire occupation across a country as one thing. Sounds eerily similar to what you're saying the police does to black people.

Can't believe some are defending the way the police officer handled the situation. I don't see anyone sticking up for the girl, she's a troubled teen, she's not the first, she's not going to be the last - is this how kids deserve to be treated? dragged across the floor for being disruptive in class.

No one sticking up for the girl? She's a troubled teen? What do you know about her? Does she have a history of this sort of behavior? Does she act out often? Has she been violent with teachers before? Does she have a criminal record? Dont act like she didn't get up when asked because she was tired from volunteering all night at the children's hospital. She decided to not get up when asked. She decided to not get up when told. The officer went to move her from her desk and she hit him in the face. She made her own decisions up to that point how she wanted that to go.

Then again, every time a video comes out you've been one of the first to condemn the officer right? Even before all the facts come out. No point trying to discuss with you, really. You're right, we're all out to get you.
 
Maybe I'm looking at a clip from a different angle or something, but I'm not seeing the bit where she hits him in the face?
 
Maybe I'm looking at a clip from a different angle or something, but I'm not seeing the bit where she hits him in the face?

There's a video from an angle more from the front that shows her strike him when he tries to remove her from the desk.

Anyway, my final thoughts are that no one dealt with this in an acceptable manner. Whether the student disrupting the class and lesson, then refusing to comply with the requests of the teacher, principal, and officer.

The school faculty for not having a better way to deal with disruptive teenagers. Apparently she's an orphan living in foster care, so someone probably should have been assigned to her at school to make sure she was alright.

As for the officer, I agree with what he did up until the floor drag/toss at the end. That seemed more like a bit of frustration coming out, but up until that he handled things about as well as he could. No he couldn't talk her out of the desk, and you don't handcuff someone to something that can be picked up.

I don't see race as a factor, at all.

I'm sure some (most?) will find some fault with my thoughts somewhere, but I think that sums up my feelings concisely without going round in circles with everyone.
 
Black girlfriend or not, race has played a part here I feel.

Even if it was a black police officer, it would still point to a culture in the police force of treating blacks differently.

Aaaaaand its gone racial. I hate offering nothing constructive and sort of go off-topic, but these attempts to label certain acts of violence by the police or public as racist, misogynist, or any other -ism bother me .

It seems like one great ad hominem. Besides whatever the individual has done, there is a desire to judge not just his acts but his personality as well (and always negatively). So the cop didn't just use excessive force on the black girl, the cop is also racist, the police force is racist, society is racist, etc. And the FBI (!!!) gets called in to investigate a case of one police officer using excessive force once on one student. Its unobjective and counterproductive.

The individual is responsible for his acts alone (in the case of police officers the department or state can further be responsible for certain types of negligence).
 
I went to a school in a rough area and I've shared a classroom with plenty of disruptive students. The teacher would continue the lesson as best they could even if that meant a wasted lesson. A senior would then deal out punishments as they saw fit. Let's not pretend 11-12 years of schooling has just gone down the pan because of some disruption in an hour long lesson.

There's a number of reasons why handling the situation in that way was wrong. There is a far wider impact of that officer's actions. Ignoring the fact it was caught on video and it has gone viral, that girl and 20+ kids have just seen first hand how a young black female can expect to be treated by the police for, what amounted to, using her phone in the classroom. Could you ever imagine a young white female being thrown about like that.

Schools have a responsibility of looking after their students in variety of aspects, not just education. That girl has just been taught a lesson about the police and the authorities albeit one where she now knows she can expect to be unfairly treated regardless of witnesses.

I agree with this.

Also, she was using her phone (that was the extent of the disruption I take it?), which is hardly the most disruptive thing she could have done. In my day, people used to listen to mp3's or iPods, or sleep, or even do as this girl did and play with their phones. If the teachers failed to get us to comply, they would usually ignore us and report us to the principal who, as you said, would hand out punishments later, usually detention or suspension, or if it was a regular trouble maker, then expulsion.

So unless she was being disruptive in ways that actually prevented the teacher from teaching the class (listening to loud music, talking on her phone or talking to the other students etc), I don't see why the teacher couldn't move forward with the lesson and deal with the disruptive student later.
 
Her own arms. I've seen policeman do this to fully grown men resisting arrest never mind a small female child sitting at a desk.
Yeah he cuffs her then what? If she still refuses to move or starts hitting him as she actually did in this case? He should have pulled her out of the desk without throwing her but she needs to be held accountable for creating the situation by refusing all attempts by all authorities to get her to comply with their reasonable request.
 
I agree with this.

Also, she was using her phone (that was the extent of the disruption I take it?), which is hardly the most disruptive thing she could have done. In my day, people used to listen to mp3's or iPods, or sleep, or even do as this girl did and play with their phones. If the teachers failed to get us to comply, they would usually ignore us and report us to the principal who, as you said, would hand out punishments later, usually detention or suspension, or if it was a regular trouble maker, then expulsion.

So unless she was being disruptive in ways that actually prevented the teacher from teaching the class (listening to loud music, talking on her phone or talking to the other students etc), I don't see why the teacher couldn't move forward with the lesson and deal with the disruptive student later.
So the girl had zero responsibility for her own behavior. Then when she fails because the teachers let her play on her phone all day then she sues the school and teacher. Obviously she was not going to suddenly respect the teacher or principle later.

The cop lost his job for over reacting fine. The school district should be able to wash their hands of any responsibility to educate her.
 
If the student involved had been the child of rich, privileged white parents and been male, would we all view this incident the same way? Rich kids can be huge assholes and their parents impossible to deal with because mommy and daddy's little precious never does anything wrong.
 
Yeah he cuffs her then what? If she still refuses to move or starts hitting him as she actually did in this case? He should have pulled her out of the desk without throwing her but she needs to be held accountable for creating the situation by refusing all attempts by all authorities to get her to comply with their reasonable request.

Hit him? You must be jesting. She was on her way to the ground at that point.

Cuff her and lead her out. Again, cops do this with large men nevermind small girls.
If she didn't comply then he should up the ante a bit at a time. He went from please standup to full on Chuck Norris in a matter of seconds. I believe I heard earlier he has history with 2 previous cases 1 of which was dismissed the other pending.
 
If the student involved had been the child of rich, privileged white parents and been male, would we all view this incident the same way? Rich kids can be huge assholes and their parents impossible to deal with because mommy and daddy's little precious never does anything wrong.
Let's see the reaction here by finding an example of a video showing an incident like that.
 
So the girl had zero responsibility for her own behavior. Then when she fails because the teachers let her play on her phone all day then she sues the school and teacher. Obviously she was not going to suddenly respect the teacher or principle later.

The cop lost his job for over reacting fine. The school district should be able to wash their hands of any responsibility to educate her.
The girl should be held accountable for her actions. But the punishment should fit the "crime" just as it should for the cop.
 
Hit him? You must be jesting. She was on her way to the ground at that point.

Cuff her and lead her out. Again, cops do this with large men nevermind small girls.
If she didn't comply then he should up the ante a bit at a time. He went from please standup to full on Chuck Norris in a matter of seconds. I believe I heard earlier he has history with 2 previous cases 1 of which was dismissed the other pending.

She hit him before she got flipped.

Also can you show me one of these videos where an officer is cuffing all these non-compliant full grown men?
 
I understand the argument that she's a little shit, but no one seems to be talking about the fact that what Officer Fields' did is ridiculously dangerous?

That slam is ridiculous. She could have broken a limb. If she landed on her neck, she'd have broken that.

Unless she was posing a physical threat to other students to a similar degree, it baffles me that people can justify this. Let alone "so that other kids can study without being disrupted".
 
I get your point, but still disagree. There are loads of things a kid can learn through media and social media, most of it bad.


I'm not sure what you're getting at here. I'm not saying they learn through this. But they form opinions, and draw conclusions based on the evidence they see. Just like we do in this thread based on the same evidence.

Maybe it's a cause, but certainly not an excuse. You just generalised the entire US police force as a racist group with agenda against minorities. Surely that's not the case?

I can understand excess force, but are you claiming that is only used against Blacks, or that any excessive force against blacks must always have racist undertones? Surely that generic type casting. The kid comes across as a annoying brat who disrespects authority and maybe the officer just mishandled the case.
I think the situation is two fold. Firstly, the heavy handed tactics used on blacks/ethnic minorities when policing, and secondly the lack of accountability on the officers that cross the line. There have been some very, very highly publicised cases of this occurring in the last couple of years. I'm not saying they're inherently racist, but I do think there are racial undertones in some jurisdictions in the US. Not every single officer (of course not), but a significant few who cross the line and think it's ok. And when these guys aren't held to account, it makes the situation worse.

Going by this video alone - how do you know she's an annoying brat. The video starts with her sitting quietly at her desk. The preamble suggests she's using her phone. Hardly causing a ruckus? Whatever you say, the fact is that he's using excessive force on a youth. It's indefensible. What kinda cop thinks it's a good idea to wrap his arm around her neck, pull her backwards and let the desk flip over? It's ridiculous. I don't see how anyone can defend that. She is not a physical threat in any way. There is no reason to react like that. If that was your daughter, how would you feel?

I surprised you keep jumping back to race, despite Skizzo pointing out that the officer has a black girlfriend.
It's not relevant if he has a black girlfriend.

We can delve deeper into this discussion in terms of violence against blacks and as far as statistics involving which race is involved in most homicides against which. It'll continue to discuss poverty, community, institutional racism, and history. It'll start off as a somewhat interesting discussion and round table, but it'll only fall apart within a few posts and everyone will be screaming racism, and no one will be oh so friendly any more. So we can agree to disagree and see opposite view points here. thats not to discredit your point, or imply that racism doesn't exist, just that I don't believe it played a part in the actions here.
Fair enough. Like I said, I'm not making it about race or generalising (you're talking to someone who's spent a lot of time telling people not all Muslims are terrorists). But having said that in this particular incident, I don't feel the same result would have happened had the girl been white.
 
So the girl had zero responsibility for her own behavior. Then when she fails because the teachers let her play on her phone all day then she sues the school and teacher. Obviously she was not going to suddenly respect the teacher or principle later.

The cop lost his job for over reacting fine. The school district should be able to wash their hands of any responsibility to educate her.

Eh? She wouldn't be left to play with her phone every single day. You deal with it in stages. First detention, then a meeting with the parents (she was an orphan, so this may not be possible), then suspension, then perhaps more meetings with the parents, then, if everything else has failed to get through to the student, then expulsion. I don't know why this sounds so controversial. It's not a new thing.

Unless she was being disruptive in ways that were genuinely preventing the teacher from teaching the class, I don't see why they had to get the on-site policeman to forcibly remove her from the class. Let her be, and let the principal deal with her later.
 
No one sticking up for the girl? She's a troubled teen? What do you know about her? Does she have a history of this sort of behavior? Does she act out often? Has she been violent with teachers before? Does she have a criminal record? Dont act like she didn't get up when asked because she was tired from volunteering all night at the children's hospital. She decided to not get up when asked. She decided to not get up when told. The officer went to move her from her desk and she hit him in the face. She made her own decisions up to that point how she wanted that to go.

Then again, every time a video comes out you've been one of the first to condemn the officer right? Even before all the facts come out. No point trying to discuss with you, really. You're right, we're all out to get you.


When I said "no one is sticking up for the girl" that was a statement of fact because no one has stuck up for her, not a plea like "why oh why is no one defending what this poor girl did" I never defended her actions, not even once so why you wrote a whole paragraph of hyperbole and her volunteering is beyond me.
That being said, if her behaviour was repetitive, and she is routinely disruptive - then the onus should have been on the school to punish her appropriately whether by suspension, exclusion or what other internal practices they employ to keep unruly kids in order. If her behaviour wasn't repetitive and this was the first time she's acted in such a manner - then quite frankly calling the police as a first resort is ridiculous. And even if she is disruptive, doesn't take orders/commands - that still doesn't mean she deserves to be dragged on the floor like an animal, she's still a human, give her some humanity, she hasn't committed a crime, she's not deserving of such treatment, it's disgusting to think otherwise.

Secondly yes, I am one of the people who sees issues with the excessive force that some police officers use, I don't come in here to talk badly about all police officers, that's ridiculous.
If I remember correctly you are a police officer or you have some sort of affiliation - so maybe without realising you're bias towards situations without taking the perspective of the other side into consideration. I get it, if its your profession you feel attacked, you get defensive, you feel as though you have to defend the actions of police officers because it's a very hard job and nobody understands unless you're in the line of work. In the same way, i'm a black girl who has had a few family members be the victims of police brutality despite being innocent, so maybe i'm bias to certain situations also.
But lets call a spade a spade, social media has exposed aggressive police behaviour and shown a wider spectrum of people all around the world the actions of some police officers (gotta say some before you assume i'm talking about every single police officer and say it's useless discussing with me just because I don't agree with you all the time).
There are instances where the police have acted with excessive force. Twitter makes everything a social issue, there are think pieces all the time about the statistics of police brutality against all races, it's a hot topic currently, but it's not new.
For decades there have been references to police brutality particularly against people of colour, in music, tv shows, depicted in movies etc. The majority of the time those cries have gone unheard, there's been little evidence because most police reports back up the police officer, and the perspective of person on the receiving end of such abuse go unheard. Now with body cams, dashboard cams and the fact that everybody has a camera in their pocket there's the possibility that these incidents will be recorded, and unlike a police report, video evidence cant be manipulated to suit a particular narrative so easily.
Now i'm not saying that all of those police officers are racist - certain situations arise, it gets difficult to diffuse and you have to make decisions in a split second regardless of what you look like.
But that doesn't mean that people just decided to hold a negative view of police officers for no reason, there are statistics which back up the claim, dozens of former and current police officers who have talked about ways in which they're told to manipulate reports, having to fill quotas, racism amongst their colleagues and higher ranking officials. There is something there. So to be dismissive and say "yes were all out to get you" not only ignores the issue but it makes light of years of tension felt from both sides.
 
Going by this video alone - how do you know she's an annoying brat. The video starts with her sitting quietly at her desk. The preamble suggests she's using her phone. Hardly causing a ruckus? Whatever you say, the fact is that he's using excessive force on a youth. It's indefensible. What kinda cop thinks it's a good idea to wrap his arm around her neck, pull her backwards and let the desk flip over? It's ridiculous. I don't see how anyone can defend that. She is not a physical threat in any way. There is no reason to react like that. If that was your daughter, how would you feel?
Sorry to pick on you Uzz but yours was the closest post relevant to what I want to say.

I've seen variations on the above bolded in several posts through the last page or so and it's making me grimace as I'm yet to see anybody defend the officer's use of excessive force. It seems like people are getting wound up over the officer's mishandling of the situation and going off on one rather than sticking to arguing the points others are making.
 
A nice story to counter the rest.

http://kfor.com/2015/10/29/mans-post-about-traffic-stop-goes-viral/

One man’s Facebook post about a recent traffic stop is going viral.

Steven Hildreth Jr. says he was pulled over for a broken headlight by the Tucson Police Department.

When the officer asked if he had any weapons, he told them he was a concealed carry permit holder and had a gun on his right hip.

Since his wallet was in his back-right pocket, the officer needed to disarm him to check his ID.

Hildreth wrote about his experience with the officer and posted it to his Facebook page.

So, I’m driving to my office to turn in my weekly paperwork. A headlight is out. I see a Tucson Police Department squad vehicle turn around and follow me. I’m already preparing for the stop.

The lights go on and I pull over. The officer asks me how I’m doing, and then asks if I have any weapons.

“Yes, sir. I’m a concealed carry permit holder and my weapon is located on my right hip. My wallet is in my back-right pocket.”

The officer explains for his safety and mine, he needs to disarm me for the stop. I understand, and I unlock the vehicle. I explain that I’m running a 7TS ALS holster but from the angle, the second officer can’t unholster it. Lead officer asks me to step out, and I do so slowly. Officer relieves me of my Glock and compliments the X300U I’m running on it. He also sees my military ID and I tell him I’m with the National Guard.

Lead officer points out my registration card is out of date but he knows my registration is up to date. He goes back to run my license. I know he’s got me on at least two infractions. I’m thinking of how to pay them.

Officers return with my Glock in an evidence back, locked and cleared. “Because you were cool with us and didn’t give us grief, I’m just going to leave it at a verbal warning. Get that headlight fixed as soon as possible.”

I smile. “Thank you, sir.”

I’m a black man wearing a hoodie and strapped. According to certain social movements, I shouldn’t be alive right now because the police are allegedly out to kill minorities.

Maybe…just maybe…that notion is bunk.

Maybe if you treat police officers with respect, they will do the same to you.

Police officers are people, too. By far and large, most are good people and they’re not out to get you.

I’d like to thank those two officers and TPD in general for another professional contact.

We talk so much about the bad apples who shouldn’t be wearing a badge. I’d like to spread the word about an example of men who earned their badges and exemplify what that badge stands for.

#BlueLivesMatter #AllLivesMatter

Hildreth’s Facebook post has been shared more than 135,000 times.
 
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Sorry to pick on you Uzz but yours was the closest post relevant to what I want to say.

I've seen variations on the above bolded in several posts through the last page or so and it's making me grimace as I'm yet to see anybody defend the officer's use of excessive force. It seems like people are getting wound up over the officer's mishandling of the situation and going off on one rather than sticking to arguing the points others are making.
Could have cleared the room and maced her that would have worked. Or a tazer.

She obviously was not ever going to comply with anyone's verbal commands. The only way she was leaving that room was by force.

Seen things like this before at a Mall I used to work at, people just refusing to do what they are asked unless they are forced my law enforcement.

It's not defending his actions per se, but it's close to it.

I didn't see too many posts from the other side mentioning how it was excessive either (not that I should, but it's the counter to that, no?).

And also the basis of my argument was on that video. I don't know a lot about what happened pre recording save for her using her phone.
 
And then there's this happy camper...



Giving Subaru drivers a bad reputation... not the speeding, that's par for the course. But I would've at least been respectful and slightly embarassed had I ever got stopped for some of the shenanigans I used to pull.
 
Dare we ask? :D:nervous:

Just speeding, but usually more of 90-130 mph on the highway, where the limit was nominally 75. Sometimes essentially racing other cars (not prearranged, just what happens when two fast drivers with mush for brains meet on the road) But sometimes some accelerations to 60 in what was a 25. Overall daft, never excessively reckless since I treasure my own life too, but definitely illegal.

This was all in Brazil though, where highway policing is almost nonexistent. I'd never try it in the US.
 
She hit him before she got flipped.

Also can you show me one of these videos where an officer is cuffing all these non-compliant full grown men?
I can't find any. Is it impossible? I swear I've seen this but may be hallucinating. And surely with a young girl it's easy? Happy to be proved wrong. Either way, don't you think he escalated rather quickly?
 
Good to see @Skizzo . I still believe the majority of cops, including my friends, are good people. Neither group should be ignored.

I know most, if not all, in here know that most cops are good people just trying to do the best they can. Obviously some are assholes who shouldn't have gotten the job in the first place, and commit heinous acts against people, innocent or otherwise.

Just thought a few videos to highlight the other end of the spectrum would be a nice change. I know that there's plenty of bad things that may not have ever been recorded or seen, but the same goes for the good stuff too :)
 
I can't find any. Is it impossible? I swear I've seen this but may be hallucinating. And surely with a young girl it's easy? Happy to be proved wrong. Either way, don't you think he escalated rather quickly?

I'd say it's damn near close to impossible. Ideally you want to handcuff a person with their hands behind their back, since if they're cuffed in front, they could still punch or attack you. Exceptions for visibly pregnant, or elderly people etc. so to try and get a persons arms behind their back, and cuff them, then double lock the cuffs, is incredibly difficult.

You'd have to get control of the subject, get the cuff on one wrist (hard enough if they're already moving and resisting) and then bring that arm down behind their back close enough to the other arm to cuff them together. Try with a friend sometime, just grabbing their wrists and trying to control them while they resist. Now consider doing that without trying to injure someone if at all possible.

As for this in regards to this situation, he can't cuff the girl sitting down in the desk, so she needs to be removed. After asking her, then telling her (the first two steps covered in the ask-tell-make cycle ;) ) he goes to physically remove her. Best way to do it? He could have grabbed her arm and yanked her out, but that would have probably dislocated something. So he grabbed the pant leg and opposite shoulder, like a judo grab/toss. He didn't grab her around the throat like some places reported. Once he began to pull her out, she starts hitting him in the neck/face. At that point, either she starts going back because she kicked the floor, and her momentum started her, or he thought the best way would be to flip the desk....or some combination of the two where she started and he kept the momentum going. Either way, once he got her out of the desk, the cuffs went on.

Excessive? Perhaps, probably the toss at the end before cuffing. Although realistically how else does that play out once it gets to that point where he comes to remove her? The sad fact of all this is that the media coverage basically shows that you don't have to respect authority in any shape. Don't want to listen to a teacher? Principal? Officer? No worries.

Teenagers and young people these days have absolutely no respect, there's a sense of entitlement that they should be able to do whatever they want, whenever they want, and who can tell them otherwise? Look up the videos of the high school kid body slamming the school officer and trying to fight him....and even more disturbing, the kid who was in a fight and decided to body slam the PRINCIPAL who was trying to break it up. if we follow the lead of some posters in here, the fact that both of those teenagers were black, and the authority figures were white, must surely mean something :rolleyes: or maybe just generally the youth of today has an issue, and it's a problem for everyone that will only get worse until someone starts teaching them how to have some respect. (Parents, teachers, community programs, LEO etc)

Did I answer your question somewhere in there? I rambled a bit :lol: