American Cops Doing What They Do Best

Not sure the Bernie Sanders interruption was such a failure, imo. They got the Bern, Hillary Clinton, and probably will get the Repubs to get up and pay attention to them and what they´re saying and what evolution they want in government policy. They could be disastrous to especially the democrats if they decide they haven´t been taken into account and lobby minority voters to stay home, or continue to make democrats look weak.

Hopefully they form a veritable, respectful alliance with the Democrats, and especially with Bernie, but it looks like they´ll want it on their terms, or at least ones very favorable to their valid criticisms of White Entitlement.

My fear is that BLM ends up like Occupy Wall Street rather than the Civil Rights Movement of the 60s. The former would be so demoralizing.

Hence my trepidation with how they operate. They're coming from righteous ground, but tactics matter (no pun intended)
 
I totally agree with what you´re saying and share your fear about the tactics. They could really feck up the democratic nominee.

As the brilliant Larry Wilmore commented, Black Manners Matter.

Hopefully that first encounter with Bernie was just that, an awkward first encounter, and they will move on from that and form a meaningful, respectful partnership with Bernie and his crew giving them the respect they deserve. I believe Sanders hired a Black Lives Matter activist as his Press Secretary which is a positive step, imo.
 
I agree with this. The lack of a centralized structure in the BLM movement (it's basically groups all over the country loosely connected by social media) hurts them as far as public opinion goes. Incidents like the Bernie Sanders disruption (like how moronic could you be to interrupt him) and refusals to submit to due process when everything is done correctly, erodes credibility when trying to get in the ear of those who could actually make a difference. You're not gonna win allies through emotional gestures, emotion runs out real quick.

It's similar to the Occupy movement. No real organization (they're trying to correct that now) but many voices with differing opinions or ideas ranging from reasonable to ridiculous. And they rejected an "olive branch" from the DNC the other day.
 
Another cop shot . . . by a cop. This sounds too insane to believe. Hope the victim is alright.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ot-one-of-his-own-and-kept-blasting-away.html

Trigger-Happy Cop Shot One of his Own and Kept Blasting Away


A detective who worked narcotics with an undercover officer walked up to a car, shot his fellow officer twice, and then seven more times against the victim’s pleas.
The number of signs that Albuquerque Police Lieutenant Greg Brachle ignored or didn’t see before putting nine .45-caliber bullets into his fellow officer’s body are simply staggering.

There was the fact that Brachle knew Detective Jacob Grant was involved in a drug buy last January, a sting the superior officer walked up on while Grant sat in an undercover police car. There were Grant’s clothes, an outfit specially worn according to a safety protocol to prevent friendly fire incidents. Even Grant’s position in the car—behind another undercover narcotics agent in the driver’s seat—was to signal to other officers that the two men were cops.

But most damning—and the most confusing part of it all—is that Brachle and Grant were well-known to each other. For nearly two years, they worked in the narcotics division of the department.

The lieutenant and the detective had “substantial, frequent, and almost daily interactions with each other,” said the civil lawsuit filed last week against the city of Albuquerque and the police department.

According to Bernalillo County court documents filed by Grant’s lawyer, Grant was taking part in a drug buy with another undercover officer while the sting was being monitored by Brachle and others. A briefing was held before the bust and officers in attendance learned not only of Grant and his fellow undercover cop’s presence in the car, but also of descriptions of their clothing and seating positions. Brachle didn’t attend the briefing, Grant’s lawyer says, but nonetheless took an “active and aggressive role in the operation.”

“Please stop shooting,” the detective pleaded as the lieutenant kept firing.
Brachle went against protocol by approaching the driver’s side of the car Grant was sitting in. The lieutenant again broke the rules when he ripped open the door and started firing into Grant, alleging without offering a single “hands up,” or “freeze,” according to the complaint.

Brachle’s actions were called “overzealous and aggressive,” in Grant’s lawsuit. Another way of saying it might be that Brachle went John Wayne, swooping into a situation he apparently knew little about, guns blazing. Even if Grant wasn’t a cop, Brachle’s alleged zealousness to fire on a suspect presenting no apparent threat would be disturbing.

Brachle first put two bullets into Grant’s torso at point-blank range. The detective’s body slumped over in the back seat. Brachle then fired seven more times as Grant tried to crawl away.

“Please stop shooting,” the detective pleaded as the lieutenant kept firing.

The damage was substantial: Almost all of Grant’s vital organs were struck and he lost 80 percent of his blood that day, nearly dying. After several surgeries, Grant can expect a lifetime of more medical work and costs to recover.

The lawsuit filed by Grant’s lawyer says not only did Brachle ignore training, protocol, and all manner of common sense while firing on his fellow officer, but he also violated Grant’s constitutional rights by using an excessive amount of lethal force.

The same charge can be found in just about every lawsuit filed by people shot by police.

“A reasonable officer should have known” that shooting someone at point-blank range with the largest caliber handgun police are allowed to carry was overkill, the complaint states. Furthermore, when the person is “trying to crawl away while leaving a heavy trail of blood and while requesting for the shooting to please stop,” Brachle should have let up.

In addition to this charge, Grant’s lawyer notes that Brachle didn’t even live by his own words. As a firearm-safety instructor for the police department, Brachle knew a shooter should be aware of objects and persons behind his target. Brachle apparently ignored this maxim, firing indiscriminately into Grant as he crawled away. A bullet or bullet fragment traveled through the detective’s torso and struck the other undercover officer in the car.

“Moreover, Lt. Brachle use lethal force in a McDonald’s restaurant parking lot during the start of the lunch hour at a location frequented by children, families and other non-suspecting individuals,” the complaint states.

Perhaps worst of all, as Brachle shot his fellow cop, the two suspects in the drug bust were busy surrendering peacefully to officers on the other side of the car.

Brachle’s trigger finger has long been itchy. The detective’s lawyer found a previous incident in which Brachle was accused of using excessive force, thus implicating the Albuquerque Police Department for allowing the lieutenant to continue working in the “highly dangerous APD narcotic unit.”

There was a glaring similarity between Brachle’s apparent past use of lethal force and his encounter with Grant. Both times, Grant’s lawsuit contends, Brachle “simply fired until he ran out of ammunition.”

Whether Grant’s lawyer was referring to a 2000 lawsuit that names Brachle as a defendant is unclear, and the lawyer could not be immediately reached for comment. A judge eventually decided in favor of Brachle, who admitted to shooting a man he said was holding a gun and who had previously been seen pouring gasoline near a home and threatening to set it on fire.

Grant’s lawsuit also makes mention of the 2012 Department of Justice report that found Albuquerque police were overly aggressive and regularly used lethal force. That judgment came after an especially violent few years beginning in 2010; from January of that year through February 2015, Albuquerque police shot 42 people, one of the highest rates of shootings by law enforcement officers in the country.

“The City’s failure to stop these deficiencies was a moving force behind Lt. Brachle’s actions,” Grant’s lawyer wrote of his client’s shooting.
 
Part of the point I was trying to make the other day, albeit in a poor way, that cop killing has gone way down from what it was (lowest in 50 years), and according to the FBI, violent crime is at a 40 year low, like a third of what it was in 1994, which makes it all the more worrying about the militarization of US police forces and police shootings of unarmed suspects. It´s a shame we don´t have stats on police killing of citizens as US police departments have conveniently not kept them.

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Part of the point I was trying to make the other day, albeit in a poor way, that cop killing has gone way down from what it was (lowest in 50 years), and according to the FBI, violent crime is at a 40 year low, like a third of what it was in 1994, which makes it all the more worrying about the militarization of US police forces and police shootings of unarmed suspects. It´s a shame we don´t have stats on police killing of citizens as US police departments have conveniently not kept them.

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I'd be wary of trumpeting those stats, given the NRA's usual barmy stance that if more people were armed there'd be fewer shootings, I'd not be surprised for some to attribute the drop in Officer fatalities to their successful campaign of shooting first and asking questions later :smirk:
 
But if you put those stats together with the huge drop in violent crime, it makes sense. A shame we don´t have year to year stats of police killing of unarmed suspects from the last 50 years. Almost as if police departments did´t want us to know. And why all the military gear for the cops?
 
Just what this situation needs.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...bout-being-attacked-sparks-city-wide-manhunt/

Cop Said He Was Shot at and Sparked City-Wide Manhunt. Turns Out He Fired the Shot


Days after Lt. Joe Gliniewicz was shot and killed in Illinois, setting off a widely publicized manhunt, a Massachusetts officer was fired Thursday for lying about being shot at and causing an hours-long manhunt the day before.

Before his termination on Thursday, the unidentified officer, who was on his way to becoming a full-time member of the Massachusetts State Police (MSP), claimed he crashed his car because a white male fired several shots at him in Millis, Massachusetts. Residents of the town were on high alert after the incident, and schools were shut down for safety precautions. But a ballistics report conducted after the alleged shooting concluded the bullets discovered in the officer’s vehicle actually belonged to him. Investigators are also looking into whether or not the officer torched his vehicle as well.

The former officer now faces criminal charges. His motive for lying has not been determined.

The fabricated story comes in the midst of media hysteria over the “war on cops.” In response to a string of officer murders (eight have been killed in 10 days), pundits have argued that “incendiary, anti-police rhetoric” has inspired a wave of cop killings. Fox News has gone so far as to call Black Lives Matter organizers — whose mission is to put an end to violence against black bodies that is largely perpetrated by police — a murder movement and hate group. It has also zeroed in on anti-police acts, such as Arby’s employees’ refusal to serve an officer in Florida.

Police officers have also said they are too concerned about public backlash to fulfill their duties, resulting in the so-called “Ferguson Effect.” The theory, which gains momentum every time an officer is killed, says there is an uptick in violent crime because officers are too weary to do their jobs.

In reality, while officer deaths are tragic and should be cause for concern, the number of police fatalities pales in comparison to the number of people killed by police every year. More than 1,000 people were killed by officers in 2014, compared to 126 officers who were killed in the line of duty. Fifty of them were shot — up from a record-low number of firearm deaths the year before, but still below the decade average. In fact, the number of officers killed by firearms annually has experienced a downward trend since the 1970s, according to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund.

This year, 83 officers have died in the line of duty — 24 by gunfire. Motives for the killings in the last ten days have yet to be determined, and so far, no one has cited Black Lives Matter as the driving force.
 
Once again, the massive white elephant in the room that will stymie any real police reform.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/ore...h-threats-for-denouncing-racist-police-chief/

Oregon Cop and his Family Face Death Threats for Denouncing Racist Police Chief


A white US police officer who turned in his chief for allegedly making a series of racist slurs in reaction to a black woman’s complaint said he fears for his life.

Officer Alex Stone, of the small city of Clatskanie, in the western state of Oregon, said he and fellow officer Zack Gibson decided to come forward in August after watching “in complete bewilderment” as their police chief, Martin Hoover, pounded on his chest and howled like a monkey while being briefed about a complaint by a black suspect.

“We were just completely at a loss for words,” Stone said Wednesday. “I was raised to believe that everyone is created in God’s image… and I won’t tolerate anyone, especially if they are in power, treating people as if they are less than human.”

He said when he expressed surprise at Hoover’s reaction, telling him that the woman filing the complaint had been injured, the chief said: “That’s what they deserve.”

Stone told AFP that he has received death threats from the local community and been racially abused since he and Gibson filed a complaint earlier this summer.

“Just yesterday one of the local business owners said he wanted to take me into the woods and shoot me in the head. Another said he wanted to string me up by a noose,” said the 36-year-old officer. “People are emailing me saying they hope I get shot in the head.”

“My wife got run off the road twice… and my three children are scared,” he added. “I feel like people are telling me to leave.”

The case comes amid a renewed debate in the United States over race relations and police violence.

Protests have erupted in several cities across the country in recent months, touched off by perceived police brutality against unarmed black men or women.

– Eroding trust? –

Martin Hoover was placed on paid administrative leave after the complaint and retired soon afterwards, receiving praise from the city for his services.

In a letter to the local paper last week, mayor Diane Pohl thanked Hoover “for a job well done.”

“Just take it easy on the elk, bear and fish that you will have more time to pursue,” she added.

Mat dos Santos, of the American Civil Liberties Union in Oregon, which helped Stone with his complaint, said the case highlighted growing distrust of the police.

“Right now, public trust in the police is very low based on all these incidents that have taken place across the country and this incident widens the chasm between police and the communities they serve,” he said.

“The public wants to believe that there are good officers out there, that not every officer is a bad apple and what this chief did further erodes public trust in the police.”

Stone said that while fellow police officers in Clatskanie, home to about 2,000 residents, and across the country have voiced support for his actions, he has faced a backlash from the community and city officials.

“Not one city official has contacted me or my family to see if we are OK,” he said.

Still, he said he did not regret filing the complaint.

“I want people to understand that the majority of police officers are not racist,” he said. “We really do care about everybody.

“This person (Hoover) does not reflect the majority of police officers.”

Neither Hoover nor city officials could be immediately reached for comment.
 
That sucks :lol:

I bet you found that hilarious.

But seriously, you know why they mistakenly boogied on this black tennis player geezer standing there minding his own business? Supposedly for suspicion of credit card fraud. CREDIT CARD fraud? Flew in and manhandled the incredulous, innocent guy for supposed credit card fraud. WTF!!?? Outrageous.

And the slaphead cop was like already facing four pending cases of excessive force abuse.

When they gonna fly down and flip some wall street wanker for fraud? At least get one in a headlock.
 
I bet you found that hilarious.

But seriously, you know why they mistakenly boogied on this black tennis player geezer standing there minding his own business? Supposedly for suspicion of credit card fraud. CREDIT CARD fraud? Flew in and manhandled the incredulous, innocent guy for supposed credit card fraud. WTF!!?? Outrageous.

And the slaphead cop was like already facing four pending cases of excessive force abuse.

When they gonna fly down and flip some wall street wanker for fraud? At least get one in a headlock.

Strange reaction to a innocent member of the public going about his business being violently assaulted by this thug. Maybe an extra green smiley if he'd in fact killed Blake.
 
I bet you found that hilarious.

But seriously, you know why they mistakenly boogied on this black tennis player geezer standing there minding his own business? Supposedly for suspicion of credit card fraud. CREDIT CARD fraud? Flew in and manhandled the incredulous, innocent guy for supposed credit card fraud. WTF!!?? Outrageous.

And the slaphead cop was like already facing four pending cases of excessive force abuse.

When they gonna fly down and flip some wall street wanker for fraud? At least get one in a headlock.
I would be mad as well but if a cop approaches a criminal how do you expect him to arrest him? Now you are trying to say that cop will not do the same if the guy was 100% white? He did a good job except he arrested an innocent man.
 
I would be mad as well but if a cop approaches a criminal how do you expect him to arrest him? Now you are trying to say that cop will not do the same if the guy was 100% white? He did a good job except he arrested an innocent man.

Like James Blake said in effect, it´s not a matter of race, it´s matter of treating any person like that. Yeah, he did a good job except he arrested and threw around an innocent guy, humaliating him in front of loads of people in a very public place . . . for suspicion of CREDIT CARD THEFT.

Why do you find that so funny?
 
Another cop shot . . . by a cop. This sounds too insane to believe. Hope the victim is alright.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ot-one-of-his-own-and-kept-blasting-away.html

Trigger-Happy Cop Shot One of his Own and Kept Blasting Away

Reads like something out of The Onion.

Time after time after time when we read this shite one detail always jumps out - a history of previous complaints against the rogue cop. Why isn't this ever seen, rightfully, as the massive red flag that it is?
 
Every one of them should lose their jobs. Why was that take down necessary?

Oh c´mon, the kid was jay walking. Deserved everything he got. Seriously, can you imagine if they were out in the white `burbs and they snagged some little mommy´s and daddy´s precious 14 year old boy for jay walking? Yeah, right.

Same thing with the drug war. Notice they never are getting heavy and barging through doors armed to the teeth and jailing these kids on a massive scale in all these mostly white college towns that are well known party schools with drugs everywhere. There would be no drug war if this started happening on the scale that it does in the inner city barrios.
 
It's easy to demonized all police officers in the US, but that's not gonna help anyone. We are talking about a country that span half a continent, with more than 300 million people, a history of racial divide and the largest income inequality on earth. The police come from every sort of background and it's inevitable that you'll get some bad 'uns. Coupled that with bureaucratic nepotism and there's basically no accountability.

Sort out the economy, the education system, healthcare, racism and eventually police brutality will subside and die away. Crying about it like the BLM is doing now will only strengthen the siege mentality and exacerbate social tensions. That's not to say they shouldn't feel aggrieved, but the target of their protests should be the bigger issues, not police brutality in isolation.
 


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Tbh I'd be scared shitless coming to the US after watching that if I know nothing about polic in America beforehand. For all the money they are given to play Call of Duty, there's so very little effort to educate the force about the laws they are supposed to defend and enforce.
 
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Tbh I'd be scared shitless coming to the US after watching that if I know nothing about polic in America beforehand. For all the money they are given to play Call of Duty, there's so very little effort to educate the force about the laws they are supposed to defend and enforce.

Tbf, there's also lots of these amateur camera men who go out filming or stopping officers on purpose, just to try and get a reaction.

No excuse for the officer, mind. If he's unfamiliar with legislation then he should check before demanding anything of the guy.

Reminds me of a video of an officer who made contact with two guys who I think we're openly carrying a semi automatic weapon. The officer made contact to check permits, the guys tried being smart asses about being able to carry and the law and blah blah, and the officer basically explained to them the law and how it pertains to the type of weapon they had etc. They were just like oh. ..whatever...Trying not to act like they weren't just bitch slapped with information.
 
Tbf, there's also lots of these amateur camera men who go out filming or stopping officers on purpose, just to try and get a reaction.

No excuse for the officer, mind. If he's unfamiliar with legislation then he should check before demanding anything of the guy.

Reminds me of a video of an officer who made contact with two guys who I think we're openly carrying a semi automatic weapon. The officer made contact to check permits, the guys tried being smart asses about being able to carry and the law and blah blah, and the officer basically explained to them the law and how it pertains to the type of weapon they had etc. They were just like oh. ..whatever...Trying not to act like they weren't just bitch slapped with information.

It's very similar to the situation that's happening in Vietnam right now. Our police officers are just as clueless, and the video takedown thing is quite common as well. The thing is, the worst they come equipped with is mace, while you guys have tanks and automatics :lol:
 
Tbf, there's also lots of these amateur camera men who go out filming or stopping officers on purpose, just to try and get a reaction.

No excuse for the officer, mind. If he's unfamiliar with legislation then he should check before demanding anything of the guy.

Reminds me of a video of an officer who made contact with two guys who I think we're openly carrying a semi automatic weapon.
The officer made contact to check permits, the guys tried being smart asses about being able to carry and the law and blah blah, and the officer basically explained to them the law and how it pertains to the type of weapon they had etc. They were just like oh. ..whatever...Trying not to act like they weren't just bitch slapped with information.

Did you mean this video?

 
So, the Sheriff at the front of this new Oregon mass shooting scene posts Facebook crap like whack job Sandy Hook truther videos and gun humor like this. Is this really the kind of law enforcement chiefs America wants??? He´s certainly not keeping his feelings a secret. How many kooks like this are unabashedly running law enforcement departments?



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Really interesting piece on the Waco biker shoot-out and the possible role that over-armed, over-zealous policing played in what went down.

http://www.gq.com/story/untold-story-texas-biker-gang-shoot-out?mbid=social_cp_twitter_tny
Only part way through and so far even the bikers are saying they started it and we're shooting each other. But just getting to the part where they complain the ambulances were held back by the cops.

Finished.
Cops went overboard in arresting and holding so many for so long. Going to cost Waco a bit of money I think.

Story is a bit confusing in the beginning the bikers admit that it was themselves who started the fight, then the story turns into this under cover cop and snipers story.

From other stories we generally find that cops with hand guns are bad shots.

Interesting story, right now not sure who to believe.
 
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Only part way through and so far even the bikers are saying they started it and we're shooting each other. But just getting to the part where they complain the ambulances were held back by the cops.

Finished.
Cops went overboard in arresting and holding so many for so long. Going to cost Waco a bit of money I think.

Story is a bit confusing in the beginning the bikers admit that it was themselves who started the fight, then the story turns into this under cover cop and snipers story.

From other stories we generally find that cops with hand guns are bad shots.

Interesting story, right now not sure who to believe.

The bikers version of events has them starting a fist-fight, then someone firing a warning shot with a pistol into the ground (which would presumably usually be the end of a scuffle) then next thing, everyone is being taken out by carefully aimed, high velocity shots from range.

You'd think bullet forensics could sort a lot of that out, mind you.
 
The bikers version of events has them starting a fist-fight, then someone firing a warning shot with a pistol into the ground (which would presumably usually be the end of a scuffle) then next thing, everyone is being taken out by carefully aimed, high velocity shots from range.

You'd think bullet forensics could sort a lot of that out, mind you.
Well they also claimed at least one guy was shot at close range by someone who was with one of the gangs, though they claim it was not a real gang member.

Not sure one person firing a gun around a group of people who are fighting some of whom are also armed with guns or ither weapons is necessarily going to calm things down.

There is a lot questionable about both sides.

A local fox affiliate report with mention of the Black Widows gang. :wenger:
 
Re-reading it the initial biker comments are only guesses that it was a warning shot, so there is a bit of question as to whether it was or was not. Either way starting to fire a gun in a public place while a fight is going on , while making for a good scene in a TV show or movie, in real life might not actually calm the situation.
 
Video I shot on Wednesday night at the Baltimore City Hall
Protesters took over the building for 10 hours until 16 of them were arrested at 4:45am Thursday morning.


Isn't it precious how the City Council members are more concerned about the news cameras pointing at them than the concerns of residents?


This was at the new police commissioner (Kevin Davis') preliminary confirmation hearing. Tomorrow 19 Oct. Monday 5pm EDT is the official vote happens in the same chamber. I'll post again if anything else happens.