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I'd prefer mansierre
But thats the point I was making earlier. When fit he's been a very effective midfielder for us however injuries have held him back. The point I was making is that Cleverley's injury record isn't much better, perhaps worse and it's held him back in the same way this season and we haven't been able to rely on him. He's only a year younger than Anderson and the only difference in their careers is that Anderson made an impact earlier following a big transfer.
I'd stick by them both as if they both manage to stay fit, at 25/26/27 they could both be fantastic for us and injury free. I'd rather that than £10m for Anderson now.
It's not Anderson's physical condition that will be the end of him at this club. It's the fact that he just isn't a very clever footballer and he plays like an idiot, dispite having all the tools to be quality.
It's easier to let players go when this is the case as it is unlikely that he will ever be able to suddenly become a smart player.
It's easier to let players go when this is the case as it is unlikely that he will ever be able to suddenly become a smart player.
I hope Anderson pulls a Nani and turns it around within a season but it's becoming increasingly unlikely.
i think it all plays a part. injury , lack of fitness , lack of time on the field , lack of progress. he shows signs of good things and gets hurt. can't count on him and with all the other midf issues united may have to look elsewhere.
I lost all hope in Anderson when he came back after his long term knee injury fat as fcuk. You really have to just not give a shit to know your body earns you a living and yet let it deteriorate to the extent that he did. Its like he got injured and took it as a "yay, holiday for me" moment rather than be disappointed about the disruption to his progress and lack of football he was going to suffer.
So, yeah, he's very talented, could have been a top player easily, but he just doesn't care to. And that's fair enough, success in life to some people is simply having fun.
So, yeah, he's very talented, could have been a top player easily, but he just doesn't care to. And that's fair enough, success in life to some people is simply having fun.
It's so strange because he is Brazilian but he plays like a typical British player: gritty, strong, direct, etc.
From what I've seen from Youtube videos, he seemed to have a lot of flair back at Gremio. So have we been developing him wrong or was it part of the plan?
From what I've seen from Youtube videos, he seemed to have a lot of flair back at Gremio. So have we been developing him wrong or was it part of the plan?
Fat as fcuk? It's been repeatedly shown that he is far from it and it's just a stigma that people have associated with him - it's become a urban myth.
There was one pic that showed him from a game that was really unflattering and people took that as proof as look he doesn't care and let himself go when he came back. But, there were other pics from the same game that showed a completely different picture.
Another time when people have claimed he is fat, at the end of a game where he had his shirt off it was seen that he didn't look like he carried any extra fat on him.
He may seem heavy set and coupled with the fact that he has had stamina issues has lead to the consistently wrong labeling of him being fat. The stamina issue stems from his injury problems plus several seasons where he's not had the summer off. In fact this season was his first and it looked like he'd over come the stamina issue at the start of the season but, then alas the injury.
So yeah if he is going to be another case of consistently in the treatment room we should consider moving him on but, I wish that's not the case because if he can stay fit, I think he'd still be quite a player to have in our CM.
I agree, but I also thought the same thing with Nani and he managed to turn it around.
Even at his worst Nani was an occasional match winner. It just wasnt often enough.
Anderson isnt that kind of player. When he plays well he's good in general play. Most of the squad is like that.
Only a handful of our players significantly affect the scoreline when they are playing well. And thats why Nani became so valuable to us
Times up for him unfortunately. He's wasting his career at united and we're wasting money on him.
How do you work that one out? He's 23 for feck sake and he's hard a hard spell of injuries.
I said it about Nani, I said it about Carrick, I said it about Evans, I said it about Rafael (and I'll repeat it now as he seems to be questioned), the quality is there to see. Just because he's not hit the level you expect right now, doesn't mean he won't.
I think he'll get fit for us soon and be well worth the wait and integral to a successful. You can feckin' quote me on that.
He smashed his leg in his last season at Porto, and hadn't fully recovered when we bought him. I'm not sure he ever did fully recover.
It was strange, but word from Porto was that they were delighted with the deal, even though he was regarded as the best young player in world football, and they sold him to us in almost clandestine fashion, without any of the other top clubs who might have been interested being given an opportunity to bid for him.
Of course if Porto had delayed for a bidding auction over the summer, Anderson would have played in the Copa America, where he started the first game, and didn't figure much afterwards.
Fergie said that we had 'taken a chance'. It may not have paid off.
Don't think it has anything to do with him being fat. United's standards of training have a huge effect on the body. I'm not sure his body is strong enough to withstand the training and to become the player he could be. In the same way that Saha - once he had done in his knee - couldn't withstand the training.
Not sure what SAF thinks about a guy who is only able to play 15 games per season. He might view that is a good squad player like Park, O'Shea, Fletcher (early years), or he might view that he's never available when you need him and we'd be better getting £6k - £10k for him to spend on a player for £17k who IS fit for 45 games of the season.
Not sure what SAF thinks about a guy who is only able to play 15 games per season. He might view that is a good squad player like Park, O'Shea, Fletcher (early years), or he might view that he's never available when you need him and we'd be better getting £6k - £10k for him to spend on a player for £17k who IS fit for 45 games of the season.
When he returned from his knee injury he sustained around Jan 2010 in August 2010, he had visibly packed on a lot of weight. Just do a quick google and look at pics of him in both months. Obviously after a while he works on it coz he has to but his irresponsibility in letting his body deteriorate that much while injured says a lot about his drive.
After his knee injury, he had that car accident and it was a bit after that where some of "omg he has put on pounds instead of staying in shape" stories started - from these pics and that was all the proof people needed that he lacked drive as you put it. Even though other pictures showed he hadn't ballooned.
Am sure if you go back in this thread to pre-season, the same thing happened, people saw a couple pics and said "OMG how does he do that, let himself go during the offseason, shows no discipline and desire" - but, other pics paint a different picture.
Maybe he doesn't have the drive but, pictures regarding Anderson are hardly proof because pictures from the same time when people say he's gained a lot of weight has often been met with other pictures that show different. As such pictures are at best unreliable when judging how much weight he has put on, especially if some people are pre-determined to believe he has no drive and desire.
Only way to really know is if you are behind the scenes and privy to his vitals.
As outsiders the only thing we can be sure of is that he has had a lot of injuries which has caused issues with our squad plus probably stunted his own development. SAF is relying on his quality as one of the reasons not to invest in other fairly developed CM and if he is continuously not going to be available for large parts of the season, then no matter how much talent/quality he has - SAF needs to start considering other options and that needs to happen this summer.
I think a move away would be best or all parties.
I think hes got plenty of ability, just not utilizing it at United.
I think hes got plenty of ability, just not utilizing it at United.
Anderson -
Play well for 3 games in (Aug/Sep) Pick up injury (put on weight)
Play woefully for 15 games (Oct/Nov/Dec) Pick up injury (put on weight)
Get injured for 5 months, return just before end of season or not at all.
Rinse, repeat.
That's him since 2009.
Play well for 3 games in (Aug/Sep) Pick up injury (put on weight)
Play woefully for 15 games (Oct/Nov/Dec) Pick up injury (put on weight)
Get injured for 5 months, return just before end of season or not at all.
Rinse, repeat.
That's him since 2009.
http://www.manutd24.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/manutd-squad-photo-2010-11.jpeg
Above is our official 2010 photo take pre-season. Just look at any 2009 Anderson picture and compare it to that. You don't need insider info to notice the obvious.
And look at it - doesn't look any bigger than Valencia but, difference is his shirt is untucked and Valencia's. As I said anyone that is predisposed to the idea that Ando is fat will read into any picture which looks unflattering and say he is fat, which you've obviously done from that one pic.
It's only obvious because your mind is made up.
Go back in this thread, am sure you'll find pictures of Ando from the same day, let alone different years, one makes him look like a lump and the other he looks fighting fit. Photos aren't proof.
It's only obvious because your mind is made up.
Go back in this thread, am sure you'll find pictures of Ando from the same day, let alone different years, one makes him look like a lump and the other he looks fighting fit. Photos aren't proof.
The way some on here talk about Anderson is just ridiculous. smh...
Anderson might be stocky but I don't see it affecting him on the park a great deal. He doesn't seem to have many problems getting around the pitch.
Time to get rid.
How do you work that one out? He's 23 for feck sake and he's hard a hard spell of injuries.
I said it about Nani, I said it about Carrick, I said it about Evans, I said it about Rafael (and I'll repeat it now as he seems to be questioned), the quality is there to see. Just because he's not hit the level you expect right now, doesn't mean he won't.
I think he'll get fit for us soon and be well worth the wait and integral to a successful. You can feckin' quote me on that.
Bobbins. He needs to be playing every week somewhere now to develop and there's absolutely no chance of him getting that here. I think we've wasted him too. We took a super talented attacking midfielder and used him primarily as a box to box midfielder. He's wasted here.
Maciek's patience is wearing thin, with this inconsistency of Anderson.
I remember those YouTube vids of him before he signed, He looked like an exciting attacking talent. Either on his own or through training he became a different player. You wonder what first attracted the manager to him, maybe it was gravity.
A "super talented attacking midfielder" who scored 3 goals in 25 appearances for Porto. Righto.
Goals do not define attacking midfielders Pogue.
Ando's injuries haven't just prevented him from playing, they've hindered him psychologically from believing he can consistently play at a high level following the injuries. I'm on the fence about whether he's still salvageable.
I think you are wrong Pogue. Don't you remember? Ando was one of the hottest prospect around at that time, it was only a season after his success in the U-17 WC. And if I remember correctly he was also a big hit in the pre season tournament in Amsterdam. After that he broke his leg and didn't feature again before the end of the season. He was also selected to Brazils Copa America squad only 18 years old after been injured for a long time just based on reputation, so I think it was correct to call him "super talented" at that time.
maybe we'll let him go and that'll be the wake-up call for him to become a top performer for somebody else
Guaranteed if he leaves his injuries will stop!
Promise aside, maybe he's not that good after all? Let's face it, Ando tends to be over-rate a little by our fans. I am too guilty of that as well and come to realise he isn't going to fully realise his potential if he indeed has that in his locker especially if he keeps getting injured and get some discipline in his lifestyle/diet. Like the same way Arsenal fans over-rate Alex Song
I love when idiots here can say that a player is super talented attacking midfielders just Whilst watching him on YouTube. Fergie and the coaching staff also were wasting Rooney according to Genuises, look how shite he has turned into.
It's fecking frustrating that only injuries have hindered him in his career so far and yet everyone is looking for excuses.
It's fecking frustrating that only injuries have hindered him in his career so far and yet everyone is looking for excuses.
Spot on. Also after the first season he had for us there was genuine reason to think he'd kick on to great things. It's sad injuries set in.
No, I'm right. He scored 3 goals in 25 appearances for Porto.
Whether you think that makes him a "super talented attacking midfielder" or not is up to you.
We signed him for his potential (of which he clearly had a lot) but let's not rewrite history to pretend he was a more accomplished player than he actually was.
He has never been any specific type of midfielder. Just a young'un with lots of potential. I still don't know what he'll become. Not a defensive one anyway
I think Fergie still trusts Anderson...
when fit he's been selected in some of the big games - I think with the uncertainty over fletcher and next season likely to be Giggs/Scholes last he will be retained
its obvious he has ability - he's just a bit silly sometimes in his passing and judgement
this season has been obviously blighted by injury but when he has played he's impressed - he also played quite well in a midfield 2 in an attacking sense but he needs to play with someone who offers more defensive solidity
I just hope he gets his ass into gear and gets some luck with fitness
when fit he's been selected in some of the big games - I think with the uncertainty over fletcher and next season likely to be Giggs/Scholes last he will be retained
its obvious he has ability - he's just a bit silly sometimes in his passing and judgement
this season has been obviously blighted by injury but when he has played he's impressed - he also played quite well in a midfield 2 in an attacking sense but he needs to play with someone who offers more defensive solidity
I just hope he gets his ass into gear and gets some luck with fitness
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