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I'm always right said:
Not having that.

As gb said, it's certainly better with Carrick around. And as a midfielder myself, I'm shocked to see you think it's atrocious, it really isn't, needs work for sure, but far from atrocious.
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I really thinks its poor. You watch Carrick, and you see the positions he takes up. He's usually in the right positions before the play happens, anticipating it. Anderson, on the other hand, is always reacting to it.

The reason Ando always looks better with Carrick, is because Carrick covers up for Ando's defensive deficiencies imo.
 
Sam said:
I really thinks its poor. You watch Carrick, and you see the positions he takes up. He's usually in the right positions before the play happens, anticipating it. Anderson, on the other hand, is always reacting to it.

The reason Ando always looks better with Carrick, is because Carrick covers up for Ando's defensive deficiencies imo.
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That's probably because Carrick is the defensive one :p

My point stands, "atrocious" is just being silly imo.
 
I'm always right said:
That's probably because Carrick is the defensive one :p

My point stands, "atrocious" is just being silly imo.
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True say :lol:

I just think for Anderson to become a 'top' centre mid, he's gonna have to seriously work on his positioning, as compared to other current top midfielders, its not up to scratch.

I admit though, atrocious, was probably a bit OTT in fairness.
 
Hannibal said:
Man Utd 4-0 Arsenal(FA Cup 2007/8)

Anderson singlehandedly destroyed Arsenal for 90 mins!
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I had absolutely no recollection of this game until I watched the goals on youtube. We've given arsenal some proper spankings the past few years. They must hate playing us. :lol:
 
He could have lasted till his usual 70-75 mins if not for his continuous pointless sprinting in the first half. He had options where players were in a better position than him, still he tried to go solo by attempting to dribble past 3-4 opponent players only to lose the ball and sprint back. He has desire, it's evident. But he needs to use his stamina smartly, specially when he's never able to complete the whole game. He could be our best midfielder if he gets his fitness up to regular levels. It's surprising for me because i thought fitness was something that could be easily handled by the coaches as it never really requires special talent. His drive and defence splitting passing can easily make up for his lack of shooting.
 
Sam said:
True say :lol:

I just think for Anderson to become a 'top' centre mid, he's gonna have to seriously work on his positioning, as compared to other current top midfielders, its not up to scratch.

I admit though, atrocious, was probably a bit OTT in fairness.
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You also have to look at the fact that we are basically the only top team that uses a 2 man midfield these days, and there are virtually no attacking minded midfielders who play in a two man midfield. The ones you could picture playing there are always defensive minded, and so there positioning will obviously be better.
I do think he needs to work on it but you're definitely over exaggerating a little.
 
On the positive: Brilliant vision and pass for the goal. He can open up defenses better than any other mid in our team.

On the negative: Ran into players too often and lost the ball a few times. There wasn't space to be attacked but he constantly tried and came a cropper. Needs to hold his horses a bit and try maintain possession. Not someone who should play with Giggs in a two. Lacks experience due to the constant injuries.
 
Forevergiggs said:
On the positive: Brilliant vision and pass for the goal. He can open up defenses better than any other mid in our team.

On the negative: Ran into players too often and lost the ball a few times. There wasn't space to be attacked but he constantly tried and came a cropper. Needs to hold his horses a bit and try maintain possession. Not someone who should play with Giggs in a two. Lacks experience due to the constant injuries.
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This, basically. If he'd been alongside either Carrick or Cleverley instead, he'd probably have looked better than he did.
 
I am quite delighted to be honest. Usually when he comes back from injury he's shite and it takes him quite a while to get anywhere near match fit but I thought he looked quite sharp yesterday.
 
I think he was probably the one who suffered the most from the poor state of the pitch, he loves to go on those long runs with the ball, but you need to guide the ball perfectly to do that, and he lost control of it (by no fault of his own) a few times.

But I agree with the general sentiment (I think), it was an okay performance for a return from injury, still needs quite a bit of gametime before he's back to his best though.
 
I'm always right said:
Considering how Nani played in that game, I'd hardly say singlehandedly :)

Ando did destroy their midfield though.
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This was how MEN rated them on the night.
http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereve...ted/s/1036951_united_v_arsenal_player_ratings

Considering the fact that Fletcher scored 2 goals and Nani copped a beauty plus 2 assists, it's a bit surprising Anderson got the same mark as Fletcher and one point higher than Nani. It shows Anderson must have an excellent demolition exercise to rate as highly as our goalscorers(Fletcher and Rooney) on the night! The comments under that article also agree with me.
 
Hannibal said:
The comments under that article also agree with me.
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Do they? I think they kinda agree more with me....

These are taken from the first 8 comments, after that everyone gets a little creamy about Fletch and they they go back to similar comments.

  • I'd agree with most of the ratings, but I'd give Nani 9 and Rooney 8
  • M.E.N RUBBISH,Nani WAS the best player,an 8!?i'm starting to believe Valtinho in saying you favour British players.
  • Nani, terrific. The kick-ups in our half to frustrate Arsenal was too good! Anderson, once again outplayed Fabregas. Would anyone swap them? I dont think so.
  • Nani and Anderson were excellent.
  • The only change is a nine(9) for Nani.A great allround performance and breathtaking response after last week's debacle.
  • I would have given all of them a 9,especially Nani(Ronnie mark 2).In two years time,Anderson will be the best player on the planet
  • Anderson also was excellent. Nani was kicked off the park but kept getting back up for more. 2 outstanding talents
  • Nani has to have a 9 so just do it!

I know Anderson was brilliant that night and I'm one of his biggest fans, not arguing that at all, I'm just saying "singlehandedly"... well, that wasn't really the case despite how much he bossed them.
 
His first touch is a bit gash for a Brazilian. Get the fecking ball under....compared to Giggs as a technician he is way off.

Not the long term answer to our midfield. We missed a trick with Dembele I feel. At the time I wasn't convinced but I would take him over Anderson in all honesty.
 
I thought it was an eye catching performance for him and the game really suited him, open games really suit him. As he's just coming back it's hard to judge fully but think he could have just slowed down the pace in the second half just to get some control, but like I said he's only just back so can't read much in to it. Hopefully he can stay fit for longer this time cause we'll need him.
 
I'm always right said:
Do they? I think they kinda agree more with me....

These are taken from the first 8 comments, after that everyone gets a little creamy about Fletch and they they go back to similar comments.

  • I'd agree with most of the ratings, but I'd give Nani 9 and Rooney 8
  • M.E.N RUBBISH,Nani WAS the best player,an 8!?i'm starting to believe Valtinho in saying you favour British players.
  • Nani, terrific. The kick-ups in our half to frustrate Arsenal was too good! Anderson, once again outplayed Fabregas. Would anyone swap them? I dont think so.
  • Nani and Anderson were excellent.
  • The only change is a nine(9) for Nani.A great allround performance and breathtaking response after last week's debacle.
  • I would have given all of them a 9,especially Nani(Ronnie mark 2).In two years time,Anderson will be the best player on the planet
  • Anderson also was excellent. Nani was kicked off the park but kept getting back up for more. 2 outstanding talents
  • Nani has to have a 9 so just do it!

I know Anderson was brilliant that night and I'm one of his biggest fans, not arguing that at all, I'm just saying "singlehandedly"... well, that wasn't really the case despite how much he bossed them.
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Yeah, Nani was definitely playing at a similar level that night. Top class, both of them.
 
Ash_G said:
I thought it was an eye catching performance for him and the game really suited him, open games really suit him. As he's just coming back it's hard to judge fully but think he could have just slowed down the pace in the second half just to get some control, but like I said he's only just back so can't read much in to it. Hopefully he can stay fit for longer this time cause we'll need him.
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Indeed. He shows that his bursts of speed is probably unlike any other midfielder in the league. He is also very strong, but he did lose the ball too often, and his sprints rarely resulted in much. He has shown that they can though, so let's hope that he shows us his worth for the rest of the season.
 
Anderson would be the perfect player to play against Spurs. I hope he is match fit. He destroyed them last season.

Spurs have a lot of pace, energy and strength and they killed us with it at OT this season. A player like Anderson would be perfect to even the balance.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Anderson would be the perfect player to play against Spurs. I hope he is match fit. He destroyed them last season.

Spurs have a lot of pace, energy and strength and they killed us with it at OT this season. A player like Anderson would be perfect to even the balance.
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We got killed this year at OT - well in the first half because of the Carrick/Scholes partnership which at one point was fantastic but, with age/style now a defensive liability though still very good at going forward and controlling the game when we have the ball. Not to mention also Giggs that day wasn't playing very well and seemed his age that game.

We don't necessarily need Ando against Spurs though on form he'd do wonders but, after last night personally I think it's a bit soon. I am a big fan of Ando but, I thought he was on the poor side. His touch was a bit heavy and lost the ball more often than he normally would in a lot of the situations.

Cleverley has been playing very well and may not be able to physically stand up to the likes of Dembele but, his energy/pace will prevent Spurs from being as dominant as they were in that first half at OT. Hope Fergie plays Cleverley and tells him to go full tilt for around 60 minutes and then throws Ando on.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Anderson would be the perfect player to play against Spurs. I hope he is match fit. He destroyed them last season.

Spurs have a lot of pace, energy and strength and they killed us with it at OT this season. A player like Anderson would be perfect to even the balance.
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And the season before.
 
Why the hell can he not improve his stamina and fitness ? Gotten beyond frustrating now.

He's been good whenever he plays in the first half but then tanks in the second and has to be taken off from 60 to 70 minutes.
 
Cevno said:
Why the hell can he not improve his stamina and fitness ? Gotten beyond frustrating now.

He's been good whenever he plays in the first half but then tanks in the second and has to be taken off from 60 to 70 minutes.
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Huh? First game back and you are having a whine about his fitness. Not to mention that it has been seen that Cleverely has similar issues and perhaps it's not so much about not working hard to be fit but, more to do with the intensity/pace they play at.
 
Cevno said:
Why the hell can he not improve his stamina and fitness ? Gotten beyond frustrating now.

He's been good whenever he plays in the first half but then tanks in the second and has to be taken off from 60 to 70 minutes.
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Because, every time he gets up to an acceptable level of fitness, he gets injured again. It's a vicious circle.
 
Shark22 said:
Because, every time he gets up to an acceptable level of fitness, he gets injured again. It's a vicious circle.
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When did he get to a acceptable level ? He was like this even before he got injured last time.
 
Shimo said:
Huh? First game back and you are having a whine about his fitness. Not to mention that it has been seen that Cleverely has similar issues and perhaps it's not so much about not working hard to be fit but, more to do with the intensity/pace they play at.
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I wasn't having a whine about last game, but in general. Before he got injured this was a constant problem too.

And Cleverley is a year younger and much better in terms of fitness.
 
Cevno said:
Why the hell can he not improve his stamina and fitness ? Gotten beyond frustrating now.

He's been good whenever he plays in the first half but then tanks in the second and has to be taken off from 60 to 70 minutes.
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That's just completely untrue as I have already pointed out.

Poxbo said:
Not to mention the fact that each time he has started this season, aside from his injury game, he has managed a minimum of 70 minutes.

Started 7 games, aside from his injury where he came off before half time and in those 7 games he has played 586 of a possible 630 minutes.

The same guy who made an attacking charge from his own half in the somewhere around the 85th minute against Braga before the move broke down around their area and who was the one to get back to make an important tackle in his own area? No prizes for guessing.
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Last night, his first game back for weeks with the shortest he has played when he has started this season with 66 minutes. Aside from one time when he played 73 minutes he has played a minimum of 80 minutes which is as much as you can expect from someone who is as explosive as he is.
 
Cevno said:
I wasn't having a whine about last game, but in general. Before he got injured this was a constant problem too.

And Cleverley is a year younger and much better in terms of fitness.
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First what does Cleverley being a year younger have anything to do with this discussion and secondly how has he shown to be better in terms of fitness (assuming you are talking about stamina to complete games) ? Cleverley has also shown that his performances markedly drop off towards the end of games as well.

As for Anderson - right before his injury was when he had finally got a chance to get even a somewhat run of games - match fitness for these types of players will only come when they play consistently and he was showing good signs of it. It was also right before his injury, can't remember which game it was, someone in this thread pointed out how well towards the end of the game he was still making big runs.
 
Poxbo said:
That's just completely untrue as I have already pointed out.

Last night, his first game back for weeks with the shortest he has played when he has started this season with 66 minutes. Aside from one time when he played 73 minutes he has played a minimum of 80 minutes which is as much as you can expect from someone who is as explosive as he is.
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Kagawa played 77 minutes against Liverpool too and 66 against West Brom. Was gassed out for the most of the second half of both games.

Anderson does that regularly, that's why he has to be taken off time and again. It's plainly visible of the pitch that he is gassing too and his movement/stamina reduces substantially.
 
We have plenty of explosive players, Rafael being one of them and he doesn't need to be subbed after 70-80 minutes. Anderson's fitness levels are poor, whatever way you look at it.
 
Shimo said:
First what does Cleverley being a year younger have anything to do with this discussion and secondly how has he shown to be better in terms of fitness (assuming you are talking about stamina to complete games) ? Cleverley has also shown that his performances markedly drop off towards the end of games as well.

As for Anderson - right before his injury was when he had finally got a chance to get even a somewhat run of games - match fitness for these types of players will only come when they play consistently and he was showing good signs of it. It was also right before his injury, can't remember which game it was, someone in this thread pointed out how well towards the end of the game he was still making big runs.
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His performances drop off if anything in the last 20 minutes and that that too when he is playing regularly. He has completed many games this season including high intensity ones like at Liverpool.

Ando starts to gass around the 50th minute mark and is ready to be taken off at 60 to 65. After that depends when Sir Alex wants to make the move.

In which game exactly was he making big dynamic runs at the end of the game ? Give me 5 ?
 
He gets tired quickly because his style of game is very demanding.Same with Yaya Touré, CM on top of their highly demanding position in terms of fitness who love to run and burst with pace with the ball.
It's not a surprise they look like zombies when the hour mark is reached
 
Shark22 said:
We have plenty of explosive players, Rafael being one of them and he doesn't need to be subbed after 70-80 minutes. Anderson's fitness levels are poor, whatever way you look at it.
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Exactly and he is visibly not the fittest either. Plus his Instagram. :p
 
kouroux said:
He gets tired quickly because his style of game is very demanding.Same with Yaya Touré, CM on top of their highly demanding position in terms of fitness who love to run and burst with pace with the ball.
It's not a surprise they look like zombies when the hour mark is reached
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When did this new way of playing that means a young guy gets tired quickly come about? I can't really remember seeing it in years gone by.

Does bringing up Toure prove your point or is it more likely that he to could do some work on his fitness.
 
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