Nobody is bitching that he didn't play 90 minutes yesterday mate. We are talking about his fitness levels in general.
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Nobody is bitching that he didn't play 90 minutes yesterday mate. We are talking about his fitness levels in general.
No such worries with Dembele who likes to burst through the middle too ?
That is complete and utter bollocks. Total rubbish.
He blows a bit just like everyone does after charging around for 70+ minutes but his performance level rarely drops in the last 20. If you look at pretty much every game we play, Ferguson makes a change in the middle around then regardless of who is playing.
Against West Ham in the last fixture Scholes came off in the 68th.
Against Wigan Carrick came off in the 68th.
Against West Brom Cleverley came off in the 82nd.
Against Newcastle Scholes came off in the 69th.
Against Swansea Scholes came off in the 85th.
Against Sunderland Cleverley came off in the 73rd.
That's 6 of our last 7 games that Ferguson has made a change in the centre of midfield and not a single one of them was Anderson.
Anderson gives his all and does a lot more high intensity work than any of our other midfielders bar Cleverley, it's no surprise he has a bit of a sweat on by the time he comes off.
Given the option of having a player like Anderson for 75-85 minutes or a more conservative player who doesn't look to attack and penetrate I know what I would choose.
Is this the same Dembele who has managed to play 90 minutes in 9 of the 26 games he has played this season?
75-90 minutes is traditionally a time when United are at they're most dangerous in a game, especially when we're chasing it. So having to take off a player that looks to 'attack and penetrate' from midfield is a bit of a blow, don't you think?
He's the type of player you need at the end of games.
How many of them he has started ? At what time has he been taken off ? And how many has Anderson played full 90 off ? And what has been either's performance in the 2nd half ?
!!!!C'mon now. He is visibly tired each game.
So you are gonna compare him with 40 year old Scholes now ? Proves my point.
Cleverley and Carrick mostly come off because of tactical reasons or they are not playing well. And also, to protect them for next game.
Bullshit. He plays from 55 minute onwards at slowish pace and begins to coast. If game suits that then fine but when we are not in a comfortable position he has to be taken off at whatever time SAF does.
Anderson has come off once when we were not in a winning position this season and that was in the dead rubber against Galatasaray which kind of makes it a moot point.
You could argue that his influence has been positive to a point that we are generally in the winning position or that when required he has it in him to stay on. Like in the Braga game where we were 1-0 down after 80 minutes and he finished the game and we won 3-1. That was also the game he attacked from his own half to outside their area and then chased back their counter and made a tackle in his own area and all this in the 85th minute despite being unfit.
C'mon now. He is visibly tired each game.
So you are gonna compare him with 40 year old Scholes now ? Proves my point.
Cleverley and Carrick mostly come off because of tactical reasons or they are not playing well. And also, to protect them for next game.
Bullshit. He plays from 55 minute onwards at slowish pace and begins to coast. If game suits that then fine but when we are not in a comfortable position he has to be taken off at whatever time SAF does.
Sorry but I'm done with this argument. You clearly don't have a clue what you are talking about as you're talking utter guff. "A slowish pace from the 55th minute".
Watch from the 4 minute mark onwards for the 55min+ performance. He's still charging forward with the ball and he's still back and defending in what was a very high paced end to end game.
Anderson "visibly tiring" has come from an offset of the "Anderson is fat" school of thought which has been proven laughably wrong.
Time for some homoerotic photos of Anderson looking very wide awake indeed at the end of football matches?
Which is why they can't do CM in the PL.
It really is becoming tiresome on here. Anytime he has had a run of games, his fitness usually improves. Problem is he gets injured and it's not just for a week or two. It's months. Does anyone realize how much of a setback that is?
It doesn't matter if he's tired because of a lack of match fitness due to injuries because at the end of the day he still fades an awful lot towards the end of games and he hasn't shown any signs that he is becoming less injury prone.
I by no means think he's fat and I highly doubt I've ever said he is, but he definitely does get much more tired around the 60-70th minute. He can still carry on and do well, but his running in general is much more selective. At this point I don't see it as much of a problem though considering we almost always play with a midfield two. Carrick can clearly carry on for the full 90 minutes and if Anderson starts we have Cleverley to bring on and vice versa.
His performance yesterday was encouraging, he was definitely the best of all the returning players. I'm not going to get my hopes up again though.
His performance yesterday was encouraging, he was definitely the best of all the returning players. I'm not going to get my hopes up again though.
What's confusing about it? Enlighten me.
Thank god, I was worried there for a minute.
The substitution yesterday looked more like a tactical switch than a result of Anderson tiring. IMO, Anderson is strong in the tackle and in 50-50 situations, but he doesn't have the same positional awareness as Carrick does. Furthermore, West Ham were an aerial threat so bringing Carrick on also made sense in that regard.
Would love him to go injury free and get a good run of games under his belt.
No, having one on in the first place is important. Before Anderson and Cleverley started getting regular games (one or the other featuring) we were a parody of ourselves this season, often looking like total shite for the first hour or more before miraculously rescuing ourselves thanks to our brilliant strikers.
No-one wants that to be the usual way we play. It doesn't always work - Spurs, Norwich, Swansea etc - and it definitely won't work against the big teams, particularly in the CL.
Plus it's horrible to watch. I'd rather see us play well for the majority of the match or, god forbid, the whole fecking match. So starting the likes of Cleverley and Anderson, even if it means taking them off at 75-80 minutes, is crucial to getting us to actually play good football and try and win the game before getting to panic stations.
The strength of our squad is our best asset at the moment, so having players who need to come off for the last 10 in order to play their best is not a problem at all. And as you've noted, the last 10-15 minutes of the game tend to take care of themselves anyway, with tiring legs letting the likes of RVP and Hernandez wreak havoc without so much help from the midfield.
Aside from injuries I think he's stepped up this year, showing signs of the player we hoped he would be. Needs an injury free run though.
Sense.
Giggs won't start after playing 90 on wednesday, and Evra has been in great form, so we shouldn't see a repeat of the last game.
Fantastic ball again. Get in son
Was brilliant today. SOme lose balls but no wonder with that pitch. Great energy and strenght as well.
Impressive again from anderson and He is starting to add maturity to His game and is looking more dangerous with His vision and through balls.Him carrick and cleverley should be our starting midfield three in the big games against teams who pack the midfield.
Can't remember the last time he looked poor tbh. It's just those freaking injuries
we have missed him. just a fantastic player. His driving runs and passing are huge assets for us.
I feel every time he has the ball he is going to do create something....
I feel every time he has the ball he is going to do create something....
In a completely no homo way, I get excited when he drops his shoulders, sticks his bum out and starts charging forward with the ball. It's been said a million times before but having a central player who can carry the ball forward and pick a pass at the end of it is invaluable.
I think the ability question marks have thoroughly gone now and all that remains is the massive question of whether he can steer clear of injury and bring his fitness right up.
I think the ability question marks have thoroughly gone now and all that remains is the massive question of whether he can steer clear of injury and bring his fitness right up.
Yup, even last season he performed really well when he did play, its just he had a really long injury lay off that made people think he was shite. Sure everyone has off days but for Ando, more often than not, when fit, he is class. Like I said in the other thread, a 4-3-3 with Anderson, Cleverley and Carrick all together could potentially be our best bet, the only question is who to use for the three up top.
Aye, I said this in the Madrid thread too. I'd have Nani, RVP and Rooney as the front three but having the options of Hernandez, Welbeck, Kagawa, Young and dare I say it, Valencia filling those positions or as impact players is the definition of being spoilt rotten. Especially as we have Evra and Rafael as our fullback providing width.
the boy's golden but those injuries......hope he stays fit
I was impressed with him tonight and I love that he brings to our midfield in general. Energy, threat and class.
It's been said a billion times, but if only he could shake off these injuries...
It's been said a billion times, but if only he could shake off these injuries...
In the Madrid match Anderson/Cleverley/Carrick is the midfield I would play.
He makes our midfield look miles better when he plays. He has everything. His physical strength and running power is something that no other midfielder at the club possesses. But it's the hope that kills you with Anderson, before long he'll be injured again.
Aye, especially the bolded.
I start to think he has so many similar traits to Yaya Toure and then bang... injured again!
that run from Wayne was very RvP-esque, perhaps because he plays behind the striker we dont see those runs from him that much
Or perhaps Wayne is learning from Van Persie?
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