When did this happen?
And why are you taking cheap pot shots with the better judge than Fergie stuff? No need for that I was enjoying the debate but if thats the line you're going down then I'll stop here.
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When did this happen?
And why are you taking cheap pot shots with the better judge than Fergie stuff? No need for that I was enjoying the debate but if thats the line you're going down then I'll stop here.
I agree with those who say it doesn't make sense to sell Anderson. We all know his injury record but if you look past those injuries then there is a bloody good player waiting to be unleashed. I know it's simplistic for me to speculate on whether or not he gets past his injuries but some players just mature later than others. Van Persie has only been relatively injury free the past 2 years and now he's a monster.
I maintain that if Anderson does steer clear then he will become a great player, each of our midfielders are unique but Anderson has one quality that sets him apart from the rest. His ability to be in his own half facing his keeper and being to drive the ball forward to the opponents box gives us a different dynamic in the team and offers a direct route to goal.
I maintain that if Anderson does steer clear then he will become a great player, each of our midfielders are unique but Anderson has one quality that sets him apart from the rest. His ability to be in his own half facing his keeper and being to drive the ball forward to the opponents box gives us a different dynamic in the team and offers a direct route to goal.
Anderson established himself big-time in his debut season with us, something Veron, Kleberson and Forlan never did.
Yep his first season was his best but he's been here more than 1 season and they have all been frustrating since his debut season. But he hardly established himself as a starter.
Frustrating due to injury yes, but that isn't the point, the point is, Anderson did more in that first season in establishing himself than any of the players you mentioned.
I've always thought Anderson was a "good" player despite his injuries, fitness and inconsistency but his level of play this season has surprised me. He always brought that extra bit of energy to our midfield but this season he seems to be a lot more incisive with his passing, dictates the game like he had never done and has become some sort of creative machine.
He's always had that in his locker. I'm not surprised one bit, I've always seen it in him, he's just found a higher level of consistency now.
There is no denying that he is giving more meaningful performances in the games he is playing this season. 2 goals and 5 assists is a good return from the midfield position in 10 starts and 6 subs appearances. Though they are very sporadic. He has only completed full 90 in only 3 of his 10 starts. 7 of the starts in cup competitions against some ordinary opposition and Chelsea.
26/01 2013 Man Utd - H - Fulham - FAC...........Off 70th minutes
16/01 2013 Man Utd - H - West Ham - FAC.......Off 66th minutes
01/12 2012 Man Utd - A - Reading - Prem .........Off 44th minutes
28/11 2012 Man Utd - H - West Ham - Prem......Off 83th minutes
24/11 2012 Man Utd - H - QPR - Prem..............ON 58th minutes
20/11 2012 Man Utd - A - Galatasaray - UCL.....OFF 73th minutes
17/11 2012 Man Utd - A - Norwich - Prem .........ON 83th minutes
10/11 2012 Man Utd - A - Aston Villa - Prem......ON 78th minutes
07/11 2012 Man Utd - A - Braga - UCL..............Full Game
03/11 2012 Man Utd - H - Arsenal - Prem...........ON 60th minutes
31/10 2012 Man Utd - A - Chelsea - CC............Off 80th minutes
20/10 2012 Man Utd - H - Stoke - Prem............On 69th minutes
02/10 2012 Man Utd - A - CFR Cluj-Nap - UCL.....Full Game
26/09 2012 Man Utd - H - Newcastle - CC..........Full Game
25/08 2012 Man Utd - H - Fulham - Prem............Off 80th minutes
20/08 2012 Man Utd - A - Everton - Prem ..........On 84th minute
2012/13 Season Totals Starts: 10 • Sub: 6
I like Ando and would love if he could make it here but I am not buying into him again just yet. He needs to stay fit from now till the end of the season and prove himself in some of the bigger games.
26/01 2013 Man Utd - H - Fulham - FAC...........Off 70th minutes
16/01 2013 Man Utd - H - West Ham - FAC.......Off 66th minutes
01/12 2012 Man Utd - A - Reading - Prem .........Off 44th minutes
28/11 2012 Man Utd - H - West Ham - Prem......Off 83th minutes
24/11 2012 Man Utd - H - QPR - Prem..............ON 58th minutes
20/11 2012 Man Utd - A - Galatasaray - UCL.....OFF 73th minutes
17/11 2012 Man Utd - A - Norwich - Prem .........ON 83th minutes
10/11 2012 Man Utd - A - Aston Villa - Prem......ON 78th minutes
07/11 2012 Man Utd - A - Braga - UCL..............Full Game
03/11 2012 Man Utd - H - Arsenal - Prem...........ON 60th minutes
31/10 2012 Man Utd - A - Chelsea - CC............Off 80th minutes
20/10 2012 Man Utd - H - Stoke - Prem............On 69th minutes
02/10 2012 Man Utd - A - CFR Cluj-Nap - UCL.....Full Game
26/09 2012 Man Utd - H - Newcastle - CC..........Full Game
25/08 2012 Man Utd - H - Fulham - Prem............Off 80th minutes
20/08 2012 Man Utd - A - Everton - Prem ..........On 84th minute
2012/13 Season Totals Starts: 10 • Sub: 6
I like Ando and would love if he could make it here but I am not buying into him again just yet. He needs to stay fit from now till the end of the season and prove himself in some of the bigger games.
Just wanted to stick my 2p in regarding the comparison with Cleverley.
Anderson is just more gifted using the ball at feet. His moves are that of take the ball, attack space, make space, play a killer ball.
Tom Cleverley is more traditionally disciplined. Pass, move, pass, move keep play ticking over.
On the previous page debating defensive duties it is always going to be TC's positional discipline and game style that is going to aid the defense. Anderson is more attacking and more free-role. It's why in his second season he lost it a little bit with Carrick next to him. Carrick being the static player he's always going to benefit more from a player who doesn't move the ball with feet and is out of position on the transition into defense.
Carrick this year has been working a lot on his movement and his adaptive passing. He went on a run of 3 or 4 games where he really played in and out of TC's game of pass and move showing up for passes and moving with TC which made our outfit look very very slick. When he plays with Anderson it's infinitely harder to do because he's playing off a player who isn't playing short quick passes he's moving the ball at feet, passing, moving to get the ball and moving the ball at feet again. Of course Anderson does play the short pass and move occasionally but the two of them have obvious deficiencies in the other players strength. Ando gifted with feet, TC more gifted with pass and move discipline.
His energy and ability to bypass players will come in very handy against Madrid. Especially if it is in a midfield two. But there is always the possibility of that discipline side letting us down of course.
Anderson is just more gifted using the ball at feet. His moves are that of take the ball, attack space, make space, play a killer ball.
Tom Cleverley is more traditionally disciplined. Pass, move, pass, move keep play ticking over.
On the previous page debating defensive duties it is always going to be TC's positional discipline and game style that is going to aid the defense. Anderson is more attacking and more free-role. It's why in his second season he lost it a little bit with Carrick next to him. Carrick being the static player he's always going to benefit more from a player who doesn't move the ball with feet and is out of position on the transition into defense.
Carrick this year has been working a lot on his movement and his adaptive passing. He went on a run of 3 or 4 games where he really played in and out of TC's game of pass and move showing up for passes and moving with TC which made our outfit look very very slick. When he plays with Anderson it's infinitely harder to do because he's playing off a player who isn't playing short quick passes he's moving the ball at feet, passing, moving to get the ball and moving the ball at feet again. Of course Anderson does play the short pass and move occasionally but the two of them have obvious deficiencies in the other players strength. Ando gifted with feet, TC more gifted with pass and move discipline.
His energy and ability to bypass players will come in very handy against Madrid. Especially if it is in a midfield two. But there is always the possibility of that discipline side letting us down of course.
Carrick-Ando-Cleverley is a an excellent trio in midfield. I would rather have those three and then whatever three up front, than the rubbish "diamond".
With the diamond there wasn't a great deal of width anyway, so why bother trying to get the likes of Kagawa to play a notional wide position in a diamond?
Rafael and Evra give us plenty of width anyway, and having three in centre midfield should give more support for the defence. Purely on merit, have any of our wingers this season been better than Rafael and Evra attacking the flanks? (No).
Personally, I'd like RVP and Rooney up top, and Kagawa just behind. I like Rooney playing further up. His obvious talents in dropping back are hindering his menace further up.
With the diamond there wasn't a great deal of width anyway, so why bother trying to get the likes of Kagawa to play a notional wide position in a diamond?
Rafael and Evra give us plenty of width anyway, and having three in centre midfield should give more support for the defence. Purely on merit, have any of our wingers this season been better than Rafael and Evra attacking the flanks? (No).
Personally, I'd like RVP and Rooney up top, and Kagawa just behind. I like Rooney playing further up. His obvious talents in dropping back are hindering his menace further up.
You love 433 but you hate the diamond? With the players you're talking about, they're really the same thing. Carrick, Cleverley and Anderson are not going to stand in a straight line for the whole match? Carrick will drop a little deeper, and the other two will tend to take up a half of the centre of midfield each (Cleverley on the left and Anderson on the right for the most part). Then if you do indeed want Kagawa behind Rooney and RVP, Kagawa is in exactly the same position as the 'tip of the diamond'.
Personally, I don't buy into this new trend for dismissing Rooney's playmaking and trying to turn him back into a striker. If we were playing those players, I'd have Rooney beside Kagawa, next to RVP, in a sort of Ancelotti Christmas tree formation. But at the end of the day it's still the same thing, because unless you deliberately put them completely out of position (i.e. tell Rooney to play as a proper winger), they tend to do the same thing in every match. Rooney and Kagawa will always drop deep to get involved in the play. Anderson and Cleverley will always push wider or more central as the space becomes available. Carrick will always be the responsible midfielder who drops off if everyone else is bombing forward for an attack.
Basically, the various types of 433 are always going to look roughly the same if you play the same players in them. So to say that you like 433 but hate the diamond isa bit strange.
Watching vintage Munich the other day. The way Paul Breitner moved with the ball reminded me of Anderson.
Interesting analogy. Both also share a vaguely mental strain. Aside from some minor physiological differences, they could be father and son.
In his second season he had more starts than his first (including more than half of our CL matches) and the same number of total appearances. Being paired with Fletcher certainly impacted on the fluidity of his play but, overall, he had another good season (barring the CL final where no one performed that well).
The first half of his third season was much like the second. He again started more than half our CL ties before his first injury in mid season and fairly rapidly, after his return, the blown ACL. So, all together, he had two and a half good seasons before his injuries started and things got frustrating.
I love Anderson. He's a super player when fit and on form, and a proper bundle of energy. You can take your Balotelli and shove it up your bollocks, Ando is what you call a character.
He was woeful tonight, absolutely woeful. I'm sure his passing stats weren't actually that low but fecking hell, he did misplace a lot.
He was poor, both attacking and defending. Didnt understand why Clevs was not brought on
66%
He was fecking chronic tonight. The game passed him by and when he did get on the ball he insisted on hitting Hollywood passes to the opposition.
If that's accurate then that is truly abysmal for a Man Utd midfielder.
Phil Jones was worse at 62% and De Gea at 60%, obviously they don't really play positions when retaining possession is part of the core remit.
I wasn't imagining his whipped pass at the beginning of the game though right? He didn't even look as if he looked up, and smashed it to Evra(?).
poor performance from ando today, a big downgrade from 3 days ago.
He only plays football one way, ambitious passing.Sometimes, you need to keep it a lot more simple
His worst game I can remember. His consistency and bottom level downright scare the feck out of me.
Awful performance. No surprise our performance improved when he went off.
He was non existent mostly.
This isn't true. We've seen him be a lot more measured in his passing. For whatever reason, today he thought he needed to play a through ball every time he saw an opportunity.
Today was back to the Ando of old. Rush rush and no thought. Sure he'll have better games but that was shocking from him.
He needed to calm down and be more patient. Something Cleverley doesn't have a problem with.
If anything that would've been an improvement. He was very existent, so much that I noticed him giving the ball away sloppily practically every time he touched the thing.
Wasted a good opportunity tonight to make a case for himself to be selected for big games. As it is Cleverley is far more reliable.
Unfortunately he was worse than that.
Poor tonight for sure as were most of the team.
Probably we would have played better if we had played with 10 players.
He really does lack a footballing brain. He plays one way, and thats it. If it's not working he doesn't adjust, he just keeps trying the same things over and over again. Until he eventually gets subbed.
Yep shit tonight but hey ho it happens (not a major concern) hopefully he picks himself up and stays fit and focussed.
Need to control the tempo more, not every ball needs to be a through ball.
Stunk the place out tonight with that performance. Looked too scared to have the ball by the time he was going to be brought off.
The whole team except Rooney, Kagawa and Vidic were terrible.
I still have faith. The positive is that he didn't get injured. Have faith everyone.
I still have faith. The positive is that he didn't get injured. Have faith everyone.
Not bad but definitely not as good he use to be. Rio helped him to hold the line in the end.
It's a shame, he looked like he might have been building up some consistency.
Hopefully Cleverley starts with Carrick next game.
Hopefully Cleverley starts with Carrick next game.
The way they like to force carrying the ball forward like bulldozer. Although Anderson's off the ball movement has to be improved a lot.
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