Stamina problems? He appears to have more endurance then anyone else in our squad. He certainly covers the most ground throughout 90 minutes.
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Playmakers are my favorite kind of players and he's starting to look like a real one, not a Paul Scholes yet but he's very good. I could not be happier for him.
His game is played at a ridiculous intensity, his stamina wouldn't be a problem if he played like a normal footballer, he's got decent stamina at the moment considering he's back from injury. To play like he does for 90 minutes will require careful management of his fitness and hopefully when he gets a bit more nouse he wont have to do quite so much around the pitch which will help him.
Naivety and injury are enemies to his style of play, it's not surprising he gets tired towards the end of matches. Thankfully at the moment if he plays well for 70 minutes we tend to have the match won, meaning Fergie can leave him on for 20 minutes to build his stamina.
Naivety and injury are enemies to his style of play, it's not surprising he gets tired towards the end of matches. Thankfully at the moment if he plays well for 70 minutes we tend to have the match won, meaning Fergie can leave him on for 20 minutes to build his stamina.
I told you so. It was a matter of when not if this kid would come good.
Great to see that the two players who were written off before the season started are doing exceptionally well. ¨
I always said that Anderson is a class talent and will become good. Seems like it took him longer than I was expecting, but its great to see him turning things around and being a MOTM contender for all the games he played in.
I always said that Anderson is a class talent and will become good. Seems like it took him longer than I was expecting, but its great to see him turning things around and being a MOTM contender for all the games he played in.
I have to say I was a doubter of his. A few good performances doesn't make him a great but he is beginning to become a good player and its feckin great.
Hopefully he can become a star player at United.
Hopefully he can become a star player at United.
Distance Covered (in miles)
Bursaspor home:
Anderson - 8.83 (77 min sub)
Carrick - 12.09
Valencia home:
Anderson - 8.22 (76 min sub)
Carrick - 11.49
Valencia away:
Anderson - 10.49 (89 min sub)
Carrick - 11.76
Should be taken into account he was still working up his fitness at each point, so it might not be the perfect comparison, but Carrick until this point has generally covered more ground than him. If you go mileage covered per minute (given Anderson being subbed every time) Carrick still covers more ground, FWIW. He's usually right up there with the most ground covered yet people still seem to think he's not running around enough.
I agree there's nothing wrong with his actual stamina, as do many, but it's how he uses his energy - run around like a maniac at full speed for 5 minutes then just laze about for the next one, or run about like a maniac throughout the match until you're about to drop, rather than trying to keep a steady pace while still covering huge amounts of ground - see Carrick.
It's his natural game but it can be dangerous for a centre mid to completely switch off at any point, or to be struggling to track runners because he needs a breather. It's ok for Rooney or Tevez to do because they can allow themselves to switch off (however briefly) as they're strikers, or for Anderson to do if he's playing at the head of a midfield three, but in a two it can open up space in the middle and allow his partner to be outnumbered and that spells danger.
He either gains gains extreme (superhuman?) stamina to play at that intensity without needing to switch off, or he learns how and when to use his stamina to pace himself better. Or we just stick him at the head of a three and it's much less of a worry because most of his work will be done pressing the opposition, often the opposition holding midfielder, high up the pitch rather than tracking runners in dangerous positions.
Good job Brwned. Are there similar stats for domestic games anywhere?
Those stats don't surprise me at all. It's probably because Anderson does everything at 100mph at all times that it probably looks as though he's doing more. Carrick is always on the move and does most of his running off the ball which is probably where the big difference is between the 2.
Nah I think you can only find them through Prozone, which obviously none of us have access to.
Yup. It's very obvious when you're viewing a match live in the stadium as opposed to watching on TV.
He sort of panics when he gets within the opposition penalty area with the ball or when receiving a pass. And it pleases me that he's starting to get into goalscoring positions which is an improvement to his game already
If he keeps this up till May, i see no need for a powerful and creative midfielder we've been looking out for.
If he keeps this up till May, i see no need for a powerful and creative midfielder we've been looking out for.
He doesn't manage himself effectively through a game and so he runs out of gas with 20 to play.
Perfectly said.
The same logic can be applied to Berbatov where sometimes he may look like he's lazy whereas he works really hard
It can be put down to the type of running done too.
Carrick covers more ground at a more steady rate. Anderson tears around, puts a lot more sprints and dashes in and then also walks around a fair bit - sprint, stop, sprint, stop can be quite tiring. Economy of energy expenditure is vital in the midfield area. Anderson will learn to curb his enthusiasm for the betterment of his game.
Or he can order a third lung like Park
Look back at the games prior to our mauling by Fulham last year at Craven Cottage and you'll see Anderson was in similar form and showed a lot of the ability we are seeing in these last few games.
Problem is after the Fulham game he was either out of favor or injured. When he worked his way back into SAF reckoning, he got the nasty cruciate injury. His ability/skill to me has not been in question for me for a while. It's that consistency that comes with playing well ... consistently. Unfortunately for him (fortunately for us) we have some very good players that if one is hurt or not playing well, another steps up usually.
It's going to be interesting once Scholes, Fletcher are fit what happens with rotation. We've in my opinion over done rotation when it is not out of necessity.
I am not concerned about his fitness as it has only been 1 season in 4 that he has managed to get rest or a proper pre-season to work on conditioning. He completed quite a few games playing at a very high intensity up to that Fulham game last year - think that was due to rest and getting a pre-season with the team/staff under his belt.
Lets see what happens once maybe he isn't playing several games on the trot at the pace he plays at - if he can complete the full 90. Then again, if you have him for even 70 minutes the way he is playing and say a Scholes to come see the game out - that works as well.
Problem is after the Fulham game he was either out of favor or injured. When he worked his way back into SAF reckoning, he got the nasty cruciate injury. His ability/skill to me has not been in question for me for a while. It's that consistency that comes with playing well ... consistently. Unfortunately for him (fortunately for us) we have some very good players that if one is hurt or not playing well, another steps up usually.
It's going to be interesting once Scholes, Fletcher are fit what happens with rotation. We've in my opinion over done rotation when it is not out of necessity.
I am not concerned about his fitness as it has only been 1 season in 4 that he has managed to get rest or a proper pre-season to work on conditioning. He completed quite a few games playing at a very high intensity up to that Fulham game last year - think that was due to rest and getting a pre-season with the team/staff under his belt.
Lets see what happens once maybe he isn't playing several games on the trot at the pace he plays at - if he can complete the full 90. Then again, if you have him for even 70 minutes the way he is playing and say a Scholes to come see the game out - that works as well.
Last 5 games:
So far...
And some wise words from Evra...
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[U][B]Date Team Cup Result Sub Goal Assist MOTM[/B][/U]
16/12 H-Sunderland PL W 2-0 Off 63 0 1 1st*
13/12 H-Arsenal PL W 1-0 Off 84 0 0 2nd
07/12 H-Valencia CL D 1-1 Off 89 1 0 1st
30/11 A-West Ham CC L 4-0 Started 0 0 1st
27/11 H-Blackburn PL W 7-1 Started 0 1 3rdAnd some wise words from Evra...
I liked his demeanor in the last game after missing chances or messing up. He did not have that goofy look that he usually has. He is getting serious and it is good.
I don't know if this makes sense to anyone else.
I don't know if this makes sense to anyone else.
You mean just grin and oh well kind of look, one that perhaps give impression, don't care, no big deal.
Not sure about that because I rather enjoy him enjoying the game. The little bit where he ended up challenging Gordon and then ending up in the net - he had a chuckle and had a good impact on the crowd.
Then again if it is really a matter of him not caring then if a little more roll up the sleeves, get angry at the miss means will even amp up his performances even more ... then he needs more of it
The myth continues
It's just a shame he's doing stuff like no look passes.
Yeah...alright, why exactly?
Cause he got an assist with it?
Some of you have some big big issues that should be sorted out
Think Ole was being sarcastic there mate.
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Ah stop, never too sure myself half the time!
It's embarrassing really.... Having a go and then turning out to be completely wrong, well...
I think it''s important who he plays with in the midfield. He never really worked that well with Scholes for example, but seems to be clicking with Carrick. I always thought a Hargreaves / Ando combination would be good if developed over time
I'm getting a bit giddy about the prospect of Cleverley and Anderson in the same midfield in years to come. It's very exciting how much space the two of them are capable of creating, not to mention the goal threat here in terms of Anderson's creativity and Cleverley's ability to take up attacking positions.
I suppose the issue is whether Cleverley will be played wide or in the centre. Fergie's got an enormous dilemma to deal with if Cleverley and Welbeck keep progressing at their current rate. Not a bad one, but it's something that will require very careful management.
I suppose the issue is whether Cleverley will be played wide or in the centre. Fergie's got an enormous dilemma to deal with if Cleverley and Welbeck keep progressing at their current rate. Not a bad one, but it's something that will require very careful management.
It's embarrassing really.... Having a go and then turning out to be completely wrong, well...
Nothing to get embarrassed about Godfather, we've all done it on here, me more then most I'd say mate!
Him and Carrick do seem to be playing well together.
You know the saying, if it ain't broke.....
Unfortunately on the whole if it ain't broke saying is that I think SAF is on some record number of games for naming a changed starting 11 - though this time with Park not being available - it will be necessary but, he does use his squad more than most.
Wow those stats are quite good, and i agree with your views, i think that energy management will come with maturity, as we will need him in battles against chelsea and the likes, but we can't afford switch offs, and i think that why fergie plays him in a 3 not 2 in the middle of the park.
when in the mood, anderson tends to dominate big name players and i really like that quality.
when in the mood, anderson tends to dominate big name players and i really like that quality
.It's okay changing one or two, the wings for example.
The way I see it is the partnerships that absolutely cannot be broken up at the moment is Rio/Vida, Carrick/Anderson and Rooney/Berba.
If you keep that nucleus, then you'll reap the benefits. Our defence seems more settled now this season, the midfield is looking a bit better and the two up front are playing very well together. It would be madness to break them up.
I agree. Much like Nani from last season, we shouldnt just take Ando out especially with the form he is in. He had a similar run last season but then picked up an injury at the worst possible time.
I think he will defo start tomorrow hence him going off at 60ish minutes which should be a good sign for Ando and some good faith shown in him by Fergie that hes seen as this important. Its nice to see him finally having a run in a two man midfield that he hasnt had since he was partnered with Hargreaves.
I think he will defo start tomorrow hence him going off at 60ish minutes which should be a good sign for Ando and some good faith shown in him by Fergie that hes seen as this important. Its nice to see him finally having a run in a two man midfield that he hasnt had since he was partnered with Hargreaves.
Didn't even show his usual 60 minutes of reasonable fitness today. He was blowing out of his arse after ten minutes, completely off the pace and with West Brom midfielders endlessly running off him. I appreciate he's started a lot of games recently but even so, what we saw today was unacceptable. Naturally his passing goes to pot as well when his fitness levels are that poor and that's the same for whatever standard of football you play at.
You look at the likes of Carrick and Fletcher's fitness and that's the level Anderson needs to be at.
A rest against Stoke and hopefully he'll be back to his 60 minute level against Liverpool but mid-long term there must be a major improvement in his fitness/stamina.
You look at the likes of Carrick and Fletcher's fitness and that's the level Anderson needs to be at.
A rest against Stoke and hopefully he'll be back to his 60 minute level against Liverpool but mid-long term there must be a major improvement in his fitness/stamina.
Plays at a different pace as Carrick, so to say he needs to be at his fitness levels does nothing unless you think it's better that Anderson slows down and plays at a more Carrick type pace and last a full 90 than bring play his natural game of harrying and driving runs that make him what he is.
Just come off a long term injury with no pre-season to speak of and started playing games soon as he was "fit". Now he has played several games in a row and it's not surprising he might be a bit worn down.
Hopefully he will get a breather against Stoke with Fletcher/Carrick playing centrally and we have Giggs/Nani on the wings.
Just come off a long term injury with no pre-season to speak of and started playing games soon as he was "fit". Now he has played several games in a row and it's not surprising he might be a bit worn down.
Hopefully he will get a breather against Stoke with Fletcher/Carrick playing centrally and we have Giggs/Nani on the wings.
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