I remember the comments he made pre-season about feeling better and wanting to show United fans this is 'his season' to glad to see he is at least doing better, still been unfortunate with injuries but he is growing up now so maybe it will even out...
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I remember the comments he made pre-season about feeling better and wanting to show United fans this is 'his season' to glad to see he is at least doing better, still been unfortunate with injuries but he is growing up now so maybe it will even out...
It's funny how reactionary the caf is. Anderson and Carrick have a poor game and it's because they've been shit all along. Rooney has a good game and everyone who has said negative things about him is wrong.
I meant only for last night and not in general
Anderson was very poor but he was not the only one. I wouldn't blame the pitch or anything else, he was just poor.
I think we should just forget about the last game. Most of our players were poor but we got the result. Those are the games that win your trophies, play poorly yet still win.
Anderson is a good player and is improving.
I think we should just forget about the last game. Most of our players were poor but we got the result. Those are the games that win your trophies, play poorly yet still win.
Anderson is a good player and is improving.
Ando needs games. I've never been a big fan of his but he's shown glimpses of genius this season. If he can maintain his fitness he might just come good, but I really don't see him as a regular starter for us. A super sub midfielder, perhaps, but never the great midfielder we expected him to be by now.
Wind your neck in really nobody is saying that, your far to touchy with Anderson. Lets be honest he was extra shite yesterday worse than everyone and that's saying something. But in the big picture so what it is only one game sure we can all forgive that and even when it happens again. The main thing is he needs to stay fit and keep producing the form of this season when he's played. I know you have massive faith in Ando but the people who have serious doubts he'll become a regular have got every right to think that on his time here to date. I'm sure they hope they will be proven wrong and will be the first to admit it if they get it wrong like I have been with Rafael.
That's just one comment in amongst about a 100 odd posts if he is pleasing the majority then he's doing ok. He has been mediocre here since signing for a hefty price tag (injuries granted) but also form and lack of fitness/attitude. People will always have their opinions but it is very tedious that no one can say anything remotely negative against Anderson without you feeling the need to go over board about it. You are very defensive about him can't you not see the other posters points at all our do you really believe that you are always right?
I just said you made a good post you nutter
And considering "no one can say anything remotely negative against Anderson"... erm, I was saying negative things about him yesterday, he was poor no doubt. And in that post of yours which I just said was BANG ON you wrote:
"Lets be honest he was extra shite yesterday worse than everyone and that's saying something."
You just seem to have a bee in your bonnet, get over it.
To be fair Kingminger is a fully fledged member of the spaz crew so I wouldn't read too much into that.
I just said you made a good post you nutter
And considering "no one can say anything remotely negative against Anderson"... erm, I was saying negative things about him yesterday, he was poor no doubt. And in that post of yours which I just said was BANG ON you wrote:
"Lets be honest he was extra shite yesterday worse than everyone and that's saying something."
You just seem to have a bee in your bonnet, get over it.
Only with you to be fair (in the Anderson thread I must add). I find it quite annoying how you blindly defend him. Hey ho.
Onwards and upwards. Hope your proved right about Ando but try respect the views of others who are less convinced with good reason than yourself. (no hard feelings intended)Only with you to be fair (in the Anderson thread I must add). I find it quite annoying how you blindly defend him. Hey ho.
Well stop derailing threads with your Guybrush hatred.
(you'll only make Brwned come in here and blame it on me, as he does)That you find it annoying that a United fan defends players for his own team is well, your prerogative I guess, but as I showed you above, it aint blind as I just agreed with you when you said how shite he was the other night. Personally I think I'm one of the few posters here who doesn't get all knee-jerk and hyperbolic, as Kie does with DDG, as many do with Anderson and Nani etc. I say players were shit when they are shit, like Ando, Carrick, Welbeck, Smalling etc last night, but I'll also defend them all when people start jumping over their backs as many have done in the past and some continue to do.
I defended Evra a lot last year, Carrick too and I'm loving that they are both showing just how good they are again this year.
Well stop derailing threads with your Guybrush hatred.
That you find it annoying that a United fan defends players for his own team is well, your prerogative I guess, but as I showed you above, it aint blind as I just agreed with you when you said how shite he was the other night. Personally I think I'm one of the few posters here who doesn't get all knee-jerk and hyperbolic, as Kie does with DDG, as many do with Anderson and Nani etc. I say players were shit when they are shit, like Ando, Carrick, Welbeck, Smalling etc last night, but I'll also defend them all when people start jumping over their backs as many have done in the past and some continue to do.
I defended Evra a lot last year, Carrick too and I'm loving that they are both showing just how good they are again this year.
Yep def your never wrong attitude that does it. Well named I guess. Most of us are United fans and have been for a long time. Personally I don't doubt you think yourself as one the top posters. That figures.
Ha ha, one of the top posters me? No mate, I'm crap, way too lazy to write out good interesting informative posts, despite being quite funny in real life I'm not at all funny in the written word & my writing style is crap & often over-aggressive.
I like to think of myself as the best footballer on the caf though
I like to think of myself as the best footballer on the caf though
I don't understand this favoritism on here with Anderson. You see people wishing for Giggs to retire, yet they'll back Anderson no matter how shit he's played. He came here at the same time as Nani. Nani has been far more successful at United than Anderson. Yet people want rid of Nani but they adore Anderson.
Why do people favour Anderson?
Why do people favour Anderson?
Don't forget that a lot of people are just loyal to the players though - I am one of those who is loath to sell players - and want them given more chances.
Don't confuse people like that with the blind followers/haters.
Ha ha, one of the top posters me? No mate, I'm crap, way too lazy to write out good interesting informative posts, despite being quite funny in real life I'm not at all funny in the written word & my writing style is crap & often over-aggressive.
I like to think of myself as the best footballer on the caf though
All this maybe true but do you really have to blow smoke up your own ass! I have a mental picture of you as the Sherminator of American Pie! Very well put and I'm not 100% sure but my guess is I think it might be as we are lacking flair in the middle of the park and Ando is our only player with any real flair so we are desperate for him to succeed. And a few on here point blank to acknowledge that he has been a mediocre signing to date and time is running out for him (we bought for around £20m and he's been here 5 year) and never been a regular starter. No doubt he more than has the ability to do it but I think its fair to doubt whether he will. Agreed Nani has been far more successful.
Pluss agreed on Giggs he has had his share of pelters of quite a few over the last few years from the caf.
It would be interesting to compare Giggsy and Anderson over the last 5 years and see who has made the biggest contribution a 34-39 year old Giggs or a £20 million pound signing in Anderson.
Giggs and Anderson United Stats since 2007.
Giggs Stats since 2007 from wikipedia
Season League FA Cup League Cup Europe Other[nb 2] Total
Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals
2007–08 31 3 2 0 0 0 9 0 1 1 43 4
2008–09 28 2 2 0 4 1 11 1 2 0 47 4
2009–10 25 5 1 0 2 1 3 1 1 0 32 7
2010–11 25 2 3 1 1 0 8 1 1 0 38 4
2011–12 25 2 2 0 1 1 5 1 0 0 33 4
2012–13 11 0 3 1 1 2 3 0 – 18 3
Total 145 14 13 2 9 5 39 4 5 19 196 23
Andersons Stats since 2007 from wikipedia
Season League FA Cup League Cup Europe Other[nb 2] Total
Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals
2007–08 24 0 4 0 1 0 9 0 0 0 38 0
2008–09 17 0 3 0 6 0 9 0 3 0 38 0
2009–10 14 1 1 0 3 0 5 0 0 0 23 1
2010–11 18 1 4 0 2 0 6 3 0 0 30 4
2011–12 10 2 1 0 0 0 4 0 1 0 16 2
2012–13 9 1 1 0 2 1 1 0 – 13 2
Total 92 5 14 0 14 1 34 3 4 13 147 7
*I counted the totals in my head sorry if any mistakes*
Giggs Stats since 2007 from wikipedia
Season League FA Cup League Cup Europe Other[nb 2] Total
Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals
2007–08 31 3 2 0 0 0 9 0 1 1 43 4
2008–09 28 2 2 0 4 1 11 1 2 0 47 4
2009–10 25 5 1 0 2 1 3 1 1 0 32 7
2010–11 25 2 3 1 1 0 8 1 1 0 38 4
2011–12 25 2 2 0 1 1 5 1 0 0 33 4
2012–13 11 0 3 1 1 2 3 0 – 18 3
Total 145 14 13 2 9 5 39 4 5 19 196 23
Andersons Stats since 2007 from wikipedia
Season League FA Cup League Cup Europe Other[nb 2] Total
Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals
2007–08 24 0 4 0 1 0 9 0 0 0 38 0
2008–09 17 0 3 0 6 0 9 0 3 0 38 0
2009–10 14 1 1 0 3 0 5 0 0 0 23 1
2010–11 18 1 4 0 2 0 6 3 0 0 30 4
2011–12 10 2 1 0 0 0 4 0 1 0 16 2
2012–13 9 1 1 0 2 1 1 0 – 13 2
Total 92 5 14 0 14 1 34 3 4 13 147 7
*I counted the totals in my head sorry if any mistakes*
Just seen the stats if any body could format them would be better. Ran out of time have to get to work.
It is quite amazing the amount of time he's being given, when you look back, he's done very little to justify it. Sure at times he's played well and sure he has shown glimpses of massive promise, but not enough, not in six years.
I like Anderson but how long are we going to give him? How many times are we going to say it's "make or break" time. Pretty much everyone on here said that in the Summer, and I bet it'll be the same thing next Summer. "He had glimpses of brilliance and some good games, give him one more season."
Anderson is a huge talent, just like RVP was a huge talent. Arsenal stuck by him through the injuries and they got one helluva player before we snapped him up. Some players are burdened with injuries. If Anderson's injuries meant that he had lost his pace and strength, he would probably be gone, but he isn't, which means that Ferguson sees a real talent there that is yet to blossom fully.
Lawman: you are completely in the wrong when you say that people don't put a lot of stick on Anderson compared to other players. How many times haven't we seen the fat argument, lazy argument and fitness argument, whereas Cleverley has gotten away with the 60 minute interval that he does - and does it none better than Anderson. Posters on here were also adamant that Anderson was slow and seriously lacked pace - deluded as hell.
I personally love it when posters stick up for players, because after matches this place is one sorry ass place to read. Evra's thread is fairly quiet at the moment, which means he plays well - I've bumped it a few times after some really good performances, but there will only be a couple of posts that agree. Then wait till he makes a mistake and you can see how the knee-jerk reactions bobble, sell Evra, retire Giggs and sack Fergie all over again. It's the same with Rio really, who is having a terrific season, but his thread is a frickin mausoleum.
Anderson was utterly rubbish against Southampton, but Smalling was just as bad. I'm a fan of Smalling, but he deserves at least as much criticism.
So yeah, I think it's good that we have some who defend the players and refrain from knee-jerk reactions, but instead like to focus on the positive aspects of the game, unlike the vast majority in here.
Lawman: you are completely in the wrong when you say that people don't put a lot of stick on Anderson compared to other players. How many times haven't we seen the fat argument, lazy argument and fitness argument, whereas Cleverley has gotten away with the 60 minute interval that he does - and does it none better than Anderson. Posters on here were also adamant that Anderson was slow and seriously lacked pace - deluded as hell.
I personally love it when posters stick up for players, because after matches this place is one sorry ass place to read. Evra's thread is fairly quiet at the moment, which means he plays well - I've bumped it a few times after some really good performances, but there will only be a couple of posts that agree. Then wait till he makes a mistake and you can see how the knee-jerk reactions bobble, sell Evra, retire Giggs and sack Fergie all over again. It's the same with Rio really, who is having a terrific season, but his thread is a frickin mausoleum.
Anderson was utterly rubbish against Southampton, but Smalling was just as bad. I'm a fan of Smalling, but he deserves at least as much criticism.
So yeah, I think it's good that we have some who defend the players and refrain from knee-jerk reactions, but instead like to focus on the positive aspects of the game, unlike the vast majority in here.
RVP was class whenever we wasn't injured though, Anderson has had a few class games here and there but never at a consistent level. I don't think it's a good comparison, frankly.
I'd understand the want to get rid of him if we had loads of midfielders but as it is we have pretty much Carrick, Anderson and Cleverley to think about this summer with Giggs, Scholes and Fletcher not really serious options for whatever reason. We should be thinking about adding players, not letting them go. He's lucky we are in this position, definitely, maybe we will be lucky we had to keep him one day.
I love Ando but it's time to lower our expectations of him. I have argued in the past that he can become a main stay in our midfield but I seriously doubt it will happen now. We have to start looking at Ando as a good squad player. A player who can give excellent performances against lower opposition and also come in from the bench and provide energy when we are chasing a game. Carrick, Clev and a new midfielder as our first choice and Ando, Powell and Giggs for rotation and cup games.
I like to think of myself as the best footballer on the caf though
I imagine Lawman will take issue with that.
Maybe statistics will completely contradict me on this but it seems like he has made some progress this season, in terms of staying fit and getting games. Your post reads like he has been standing still, in terms of development, and every summer we say the same things, he will probably be sold, he is always injured, glimpses of brilliance etc. I said all those things last summer, and several summers before that. This season does feel a bit different though. Maybe he'll go on to be out for the second half of the season, but this season he seems to be generally a) more consistent (last game notwithstanding) and b) more available.
As I said, that is my impression, no idea whether hard stats will agree with me.
Oh and in answer to the question of why he has been shown more patience than others, for me it is because of the position he plays in, and our desperation to have some quality in there, making us all a little more optimistic / hopeful that itll turn out well, a kind of blind faith, close your eyes and hope for the best type thing, because if he doesnt come good then the outlook is pretty bleak in that position. And also because of the way he plays - when he plays well. He plays with heart, he looks like he is busting a gut, which is always appreciated in England. He is a very unselfish player, that is one of the things I have always liked about him. Going back to when they first arrived, it was why I liked him more than Nani - and I am not trying to start a Nani debate, but I think we can all probably agree, at least, that when he first arrived he was very frustrating, regardless of whether you think he has put that behind him now.
Anderson this year has been brilliant to be fair. The injuries were present and I don't think that we should rely on him (so we must sign one or two midfielders at summer) but I think that we should keep him (especially if he won't be injured anymore this season). I don't think that he is on a big wage, so it's not bad keeping him in the bench and in some game starting. When he is on form (which have happened in many occasions this season) he is better than Cleverley and possibly even better than Carrick.
That isnt really what I meant though. The question of why he goes off around the 70 minute mark has been done to death, it might be fitness or it might be the way he plays for the 70 minutes he is on. I am talking more about his availability for selection in the first place.
I think he is progressing. If he maintains what he has done for the first half of the season in the second, I see no reason why we should have a conversation about sacking him off over the summer.
Appearances in August then gone for a month. Late October and November were good periods then gone again in December. Let's see how he lasts this time around.
I don't think we'll let him go in the summer. Scholes will most probably be gone and there are major doubts about Fletcher's return. He'll be here but I think as a squad player more than a first choice starter.
This is the big problem really, we basically have to persist with him because we're so constantly strained in midfield and because Fergie, for some mad reason, isn't buying players in midfield. With Scholes and Fletcher both likely gone in the Summer, Carrick hitting 32 and lord only knows what with Giggsy, we're not going to get rid of him then either.
He's been very good in spurts, maybe better than ever before, but he still can't play 90 minutes without being fecked, he still can't stop being injured, and he still can't stop having atrocious games on a fairly frequent basis. Has he improved as a player? Maybe, but it's been six years and overall the improvement has been minimal. Compare that to youngsters we've bought in the past like Ronaldo, Nani, Rooney, Smalling etc and there's a pretty stark contrast.
That's totally overboard, he hasn't been brilliant. Carrick has been brilliant, Rafael has been brilliant, RvP has been brilliant. Anderson has had a few really good games for around 60-70 minutes amidst injuries and a few shockers.
Also the last sentence is crazy, he's nowhere near Carrick's level as a footballer, but he probably has the talent to be, whether he ever fulfills it is another story.
That's quite an arbitrary distinction really, unless you are just predicting he will end up being injured a lot. In which case yes, it would be bold to disagree with you.
But if we keep him he will be fighting for his place along with everyone else, and if he managed to stay fit and put in the performances he has this season, he would absolutely be a first choice starter.
I am extrapolating based on evidence over the last 5-6 years. Also, because I don't see him as an ideal candidate for the central midfield position. IMO, even if he can keep himself fit, he would better suited as the most advanced player in a three man midfield. Lacks too much for a possession based game that, I believe, we want to move towards. Some of his long passing and defense splitting passes have been good this season but you need to do more and control the tempo of the game as a midfielder, which he lacks. "Attacks the space" and runs into midfield walls instead of trying to maintain possession. He would work in games again lesser midfields or late in games, where he is afforded a lot of space to do things but will be found wanting against better midfields.
feck me. World under again after one bad performance. Typically the caf really.
I don't get this statement, seeing as soon as he has a good 60 minutes his fans run into this thread and start rambling about how good he is. What's the difference?
The majority of what's being said here is basically a rehash of what's been said for the last two years, so it's hardly knee jerk.
I don't understand why people take personal offence when either Nani or Anderson are criticised. Now, there will be extreme views from both sides of the camp, but in this instance, it appears to be constructive criticism. For me; people vastly overrating a performance is equally as bad as people vastly underrating a performance.
Lets call a spade a spade; Ando was poor the other night - he has had some very good games this season but Wednesday night was not one of them. So what is wrong with people echoing those sentiments?
I also don't get why people are asking why he is being singled out? He isn't, this just happens to be, the erm.......Anderson thread. Plenty of other players were poor the other night, and that has been addressed in their respective threads.
FWIW, your comment does not make you a better fan, if that is what you are trying to achieve. At least add something constructive to the debate.
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