His long passing is a weak part of his game and he still tries to play these kind of passes. In his run of games where he done well, there was no long passes.
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I just think he had a stinker in a system that didn't suit him, no more than that
That's not really true though. In fact, I remember everyone drooling over a first-time, 50 yard pass out to the right wing in the last game he started.
He does need to learn to keep it simple when he's not quite on his game but when he's playing well he has a great range of passing.
Yes but even someone like Vidic will play a nice long pass once in a while, with 1 successful long pass and x+1 long unsuccessful passes. The same is with Anderson, he is confident so he tries these passes, but unfortunately he is not great at them consistently. Most United fans will tend to ignore the unsuccessful ones and focus on the one completed pass. He can't really use the backspin like Scholes can, or we even saw Owen yesterday use. His long passing is more powerful and ballooned, which is a sign that his accuracy is going to be poorer.
Who actually is great at long passes consistently? Scholes, Pirlo, Alonso.. not many can hit them consistently as we've seen with Gerrard. But even then, the former three are some of the best at passing I've seen in terms of range.
There are many players who long pass more consistently than Anderson. And they are more comfortable too, because they have the technique to control them better with backspin. Anderson's primary game is not about long passing, it his is short passing and power and speed.
I agree.
Anderson's last good performance, at home against Brum.
6 short passes failed to reach their target, 4 medium passes and just one long pass did the same. He completed 56 passes, including at least 6 or 7 long range passes.
So you can see he was no more likely to fail to complete a long pass than he was a short one. Which is not what you would expect, bearing in mind long passes are more risky.
In other words, there's no fundamental technical flaw in the way he hits long passes. You're just off on one of your weird theories about technique again.
Tell me, Scholesy, have you ever played a game of competitive football? At any level?
Anderson is a strange player. I just can't figure out his ideal role in the United engine room. He doesn't get into the box enough or has good enough shot to be given a title of an attacking midfielder, and he's not defensively well-disciplined to protect the back four. His lack of stamina is also a concern.
Anderson can hit the longish passes but just not in the air. His technique is somewhat different. He is more crouched in his make up, which makes him pass more along the ground.
I hate that fecking chalkboard so much.
Anderson's last good performance, at home against Brum.
6 short passes failed to reach their target, 4 medium passes and just one long pass did the same. He completed 56 passes, including at least 6 or 7 long range passes.
So you can see he was no more likely to fail to complete a long pass than he was a short one. Which is not what you would expect, bearing in mind long passes are more risky.
In other words, there's no fundamental technical flaw in the way he hits long passes. You're just off on one of your weird theories about technique again.
Tell me, Scholesy, have you ever played a game of competitive football? At any level?
I can not see at least 6 or 7 long range passes. I think there is a flaw in his technique. He has been noted for his hollywood or ballooned passes many times and he does not have the technique to play the back spin passes - Rooney, Scholes, Owen last night, which result in greater success.
Anderson's long passes are a weakness. His technique does not help him. In his years so far, he has played around 2x great long passes and 3x long passes out of play, I think that is the correct ratio, 40% success.
We just need him to run with the ball and be inventive. Anyone can pass a ball left/right but he has the ability to be inventive/creative and we need to see him attacking teams like Southampton. Hopefully it will come but theres plenty of improvement needed that's for sure
Have you ever played a ball with backspin? trust me, it's not a complete evolution from kicking through the ball. The only way a footballer could feck it up is not being able to judge the weight of pass. Seriously, backspin is just not following through the ball. I don't believe he was this type of player before he came to us. I think he's suprised a few people and it will take time for him to improve. He might not, and we might have to give him a role better suited to him. It'd help if he could shoot but sadly Gary Nevilles looks more prolific
That's because most of his passes are along the ground they need to be perfectly weighted to be successful, it's a lot more difficult art than long passes in the air. Hence the percentage of getting them wrong are a lot higher.
You have got to be fecking kidding. And you wonder why you're a laughing stock? Christ.I've never ever taken any notice of these chalkboards.
It's because I post the information you don't want to hear. I do not wear the red tinted glasses.
Would you say Anderson's long passing has been a success since he has arrived?
Would you say Anderson's long passing has been a success since he has arrived?
Are you seriously saying that in all the years Anderson has played for United he has only ever hit 2 great long passes?
They're usually the only way to stop going round in circles when you're discussing football with idiots who blatantly make shit up about a particular game/player. Doesn't always work though. Pearls to swine.
no he's being obtuse. If he did mean that, it'd mean hes only passed the ball 5 times in 4 years hehe
Just to clear up that is kind of a mistake.
I mean 2x good for every 3x bad.
I mean 2x good for every 3x bad.
I can never tell with him.
To be brutally truthful, I don't think Anderson has progressed as much as I had hoped. I never know which Anderson turns up on a particular day. He's either great or rubbish. And his great days have been very few.
Talent is obviously there, but just too inconsistent for my liking.
Plus the people using them aren't always acknowledging that they have limitations; namely that they can't differentiate between the ball 'reaching' its target and a good pass. A player getting a toe to a bad pass and then losing the ball is still counted as a completed pass. When you consider the number of nothing passes midfielders play I can't help feeling we're being blinded by stats and diagrams that don't always reflect what we see.
That's not 40%
2 out of 5.
My misunderstanding. Apologies.
They only blind you as much as you let them. They'd be a terrible way to judge a player in isolation, especially if they're from a game you didn't actually watch. They have their uses though.
Thought he did okay. Was convinced Obertan was the other one to make way for one of the subs and Ando kept on. Hope he starts on Tuesday because Scholes isn't going to play 3 games a week and Carrick's status still unknown.
Comments like this are laughable. We are all aware of Anderson's abilities but his form at times this season has been as bad if not worse than Gibsons. Its his inconsistancy thats most worrying
He managed 8 successful passes in 80 mins against Blackpool. I know stats aren't the end all and be all but thats shocking imo
Fletcher in the same game had 50 successful passes. Gibson had 19 in his time on the pitch
It's not really inconsistency, it's playing with Gibson. Look at most of Anderson's poor performances and most of them are away from home with him paired with Gibson in some sort of often random midfield setup.
It's all Gibson's fault, eh? There's an original scapegoat.
It's no great surprise he is now being blamed for dreadful individual performances from other players in our squad. Can't be long before he gets blamed for this bad weather we've been having.
It's true though, when Gibson plays the team generally plays poorly, Anderson generally does as well, as does of course Gibson
We are doing great but God I wish Robson could sign for us again. Ando will come good though but he looked no younger than 70 coming on against Blackpool. Didn´t see the game yesterday but he went in for some stick from me mates. Still get your fecking act together Ando and you will be a star for this great club
maybe its just me but catching a bit of the reply of the game he looked fitter than earlier in the season.
I have just finished the collaboration feature on the MotM page, and thought it was pretty relevant here considering the discussion on Gibson:
How has Anderson played with Gibson? - United MotM stats from RedCafe.net
This season:
A sidenote: Berba's stats with and without Rooney are also quite interesting.
How has Anderson played with Gibson? - United MotM stats from RedCafe.net
This season:
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[B][U]Together/Apart Avg. Rank Matches[/U][/B]
Anderson with Gibson: 7.5th 4
Anderson w/o Gibson: 4.6th 11
Gibson with Anderson: 8.8th 4
Gibson w/o Anderson: 10.0th 6
Average together: 8.1th
Average apart: 7.3thA sidenote: Berba's stats with and without Rooney are also quite interesting.
Simple but straight to the point.
I used to despise the Chalkboards myself but the actual passing statistics in conjunction with the Chalkboard (which admittedly has its limitations) can help you judge a game more objectively than you do through just your own take on the game.
Like anything in life it has to be used in a balanced manner, some treat chalkboards like its a matter of life and death, i.e. Someones had a sensational game purely because their passing percentage was so high despite the fact, whilst you were watching the game, the player in question was very conservative and just kept it simple. Likewise the Chalkboards are unable to take into account a players ability in dribbling with the ball and how many times that person got past an opponent and hit a through ball which should've lead to a goal.
On the other hand, you might've thought just because someone produced some quality moments, that the player in question was deeply involved throughout and a pivotal figure when in fact, he barely touched the ball throughout the game and was pretty non-existent. Especially crucial when talking about such and such being a playmaker, or very instrumental in helping the team keep possession when in fact they were just responsible for a few creative passes here and there.
Anyone who thinks Anderson can become world class is dreaming.
Worst player on the pitch against Southampton.
Worst player on the pitch against Southampton.
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