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No doubt they improve at the micro level but the overall picture is large unemployment in the South (due to the euro straight jacket) and depressed wages in the West (the effect of immigration from the East).

So we're blaming the poor economies of the south on the EU now are we? Funny, because I seem to remember them being pretty shit before the EU too. Spain and Italy have been badly run economically for at least my entire lifetime.
 
And if we don't agree to pay......??
Then we'll be in default on the billions in loans and grants we took from the EU, they will seek legal repairs against us and our already increasingly dodgy credit rating will drop to the level of Puerto Rico's. Good luck in signing all those beneficial trade agreements with the rest of the world then.
 
Ukippers swapping metric measurements on signs for ones with imperial measurements.

'I’m interested in immigration but my main thing is democracy,” said Mr Norman'

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So we're blaming the poor economies of the south on the EU now are we? Funny, because I seem to remember them being pretty shit before the EU too. Spain and Italy have been badly run economically for at least my entire lifetime.

Come on now, just get with the program. Anything negative = EU's fault.

Unreal to blame the EU for Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece and other warmer countries with a huge majority of people having a different outlook on life, taxes, economy.
 
Come on now, just get with the program. Anything negative = EU's fault.

Unreal to blame the EU for Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece and other warmer countries with a huge majority of people having a different outlook on life, taxes, economy.

Its also the EU fault that sometimes countries appoint clowns as foreign secretaries
 
Its also the EU fault that sometimes countries appoint clowns as foreign secretaries

That's the weird thing about the debate, if Brussels and Strasbourg had full power, a lot of problems wouldn't exist but in the name of democracy and sovereignty every country is mostly free to do what he wants when it comes to national policies. But people still blame the EU for not being democratic or for being the source of all problems.
 
Welsh and Scottish now formally in the article 50 hoohah.

R (on the application of Miller & Dos Santos) v Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union, 5-8 December 2016
The Supreme Court has today confirmed that the following applications to intervene in the above case have been granted:

  • The Lord Advocate, Scottish Government
  • The Counsel General for Wales, Welsh Government
  • The 'Expat Interveners', George Birnie and Others
  • The Independent Workers Union of Great Britain
Additionally, the Attorney General for Northern Ireland has made a reference to the Court regarding devolution issues relating to that jurisdiction. Permission to intervene is therefore not necessary.

Counsel for the Scottish Government and for the Independent Workers Union of Great Britain have been invited to address in their skeleton arguments the relevance of points of Scots Law, so far as they do not also form part of the law of England and Wales, to the determination of the present proceedings.

A further update on other applications to intervene, and a timetable for oral submissions during the hearing, will be issued in due course.

The Court is not in a position to publish the interveners' applications, and any queries on them should be addressed to the relevant party.

https://www.supremecourt.uk/news/interveners-article-50-brexit-case.html
 
News today of another unelected bunch of Europeans getting £369m from the British taxpayers. Oh never mind it's just the Royals, as you were. Remember to give generously to Children in Need.
 
As far as I'm aware in the UK distances are still measured in miles and speed in mph
They are, what I fail to understand with these cretins that seem to think we should revert to imperial units everywhere is that Britain was metric in 1969, ahead of joining the EU. Britain was the first to propose a universal metric system with John Wilkins in the 1600s and was ahead of the eventual adoption of the metric system in Europe in 1875 when the British Academy under Kelvin, Maxwell and Joule proposed adoption of a metric system across all scientific fields.

Why let such facts stand in the way of a good moan however, especially when it gives us the chance to blame the EU for something and after all it was that dastardly Napoleon that foisted the system on Europe and ensured the standard metre and kilogramme measures are held in Paris.
 
"Whilst the rest of the World uses the Metric system let us in the UK revert back Imperial units" seems to me like a really good idea. In fact, in order for Britain to keep is identity I think Britain should revert back to many things like the feudalism, the gold standard, steam power and bartering. Kin nutjobs.
 
Makes sense. We can start charging for our pounds and ounces of Marmite in florins and groats too. That'll teach those uppity continentals.
 
Makes sense. We can start charging for our pounds and ounces of Marmite in florins and groats too. That'll teach those uppity continentals.
We need to hold tight to the little things which matter most to our sovereign identity in the face of Europe's unreasonable demands. No quarter shall be given, you know what them Eurozoners are like. Give 'em 2.54cm and they'll take 1,609m.
 
"Whilst the rest of the World uses the Metric system let us in the UK revert back Imperial units" seems to me like a really good idea. In fact, in order for Britain to keep is identity I think Britain should revert back to many things like the feudalism, the gold standard, steam power and bartering. Kin nutjobs.

I think you're better off if you re-introduce hanged, drawn and quartered for treason. There's quite a long queue of politicians who lied to the British people during the referendum or forced a referendum to push their agenda ahead of national interest.
 
So we're blaming the poor economies of the south on the EU now are we? Funny, because I seem to remember them being pretty shit before the EU too. Spain and Italy have been badly run economically for at least my entire lifetime.

It's not all on the EU but the inability to devalue their currency has really hurt then since 2008. They have been left having to implement an internal devaluation with painful results. It of course suits German industry who can export their goods much cheaper than if they still had the DM. But the UK was thankfully out of the euro madhouse so I was happy to stay.
 
I really don't understand the democratic argument.

I think the EU is just easy to accuse of being undemocratic because the EU is less well known and understood by most people than their national politics and the politicians that take senior positions aren't well known outside of their countries. It has it's flaws and they aren't much worse than national democracies but because it's more complicated and less familiar to most people the "unelected bureaucrats" line works well.
 
Welsh and Scottish now formally in the article 50 hoohah.

R (on the application of Miller & Dos Santos) v Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union, 5-8 December 2016
The Supreme Court has today confirmed that the following applications to intervene in the above case have been granted:

  • The Lord Advocate, Scottish Government
  • The Counsel General for Wales, Welsh Government
  • The 'Expat Interveners', George Birnie and Others
  • The Independent Workers Union of Great Britain
Additionally, the Attorney General for Northern Ireland has made a reference to the Court regarding devolution issues relating to that jurisdiction. Permission to intervene is therefore not necessary.

Counsel for the Scottish Government and for the Independent Workers Union of Great Britain have been invited to address in their skeleton arguments the relevance of points of Scots Law, so far as they do not also form part of the law of England and Wales, to the determination of the present proceedings.

A further update on other applications to intervene, and a timetable for oral submissions during the hearing, will be issued in due course.

The Court is not in a position to publish the interveners' applications, and any queries on them should be addressed to the relevant party.

https://www.supremecourt.uk/news/interveners-article-50-brexit-case.html

This should be good fun.:lol:
 
I think the EU is just easy to accuse of being undemocratic because the EU is less well known and understood by most people than their national politics and the politicians that take senior positions aren't well known outside of their countries. It has it's flaws and they aren't much worse than national democracies but because it's more complicated and less familiar to most people the "unelected bureaucrats" line works well.

Indeed. And the fact the vote was largely swayed by a bunch of unelected media moguls and a man whose never been elected in his own country, only makes the irony sweeter.*

*Sweeter being an inter-changeable word with infuriating, depressing and idiotic.
 
They are, what I fail to understand with these cretins that seem to think we should revert to imperial units everywhere is that Britain was metric in 1969, ahead of joining the EU. Britain was the first to propose a universal metric system with John Wilkins in the 1600s and was ahead of the eventual adoption of the metric system in Europe in 1875 when the British Academy under Kelvin, Maxwell and Joule proposed adoption of a metric system across all scientific fields.

Why let such facts stand in the way of a good moan however, especially when it gives us the chance to blame the EU for something and after all it was that dastardly Napoleon that foisted the system on Europe and ensured the standard metre and kilogramme measures are held in Paris.
Should the uk start driving on the right aswell?
 
They are, what I fail to understand with these cretins that seem to think we should revert to imperial units everywhere is that Britain was metric in 1969, ahead of joining the EU. Britain was the first to propose a universal metric system with John Wilkins in the 1600s and was ahead of the eventual adoption of the metric system in Europe in 1875 when the British Academy under Kelvin, Maxwell and Joule proposed adoption of a metric system across all scientific fields.

Why let such facts stand in the way of a good moan however, especially when it gives us the chance to blame the EU for something and after all it was that dastardly Napoleon that foisted the system on Europe and ensured the standard metre and kilogramme measures are held in Paris.

Metric is daft anyway. Base 12 is much better.
 
Should the uk start driving on the right aswell?
Personally I'd love it, I've never had any trouble driving on either side of the road but hate the pain of toll booth, car park and security barriers if I'm on my own driving on the continent. I'm not selfish enough to think it's all about me though and recognise the cost it would incur in terms of changing all the UK road layouts, junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights etc that would suddenly be impractical or dangerous due to the opposite directions of traffic flow.

Metric is daft anyway. Base 12 is much better.
No problem working in base 12, but for those who find maths a little harder I think limiting it to the number of fingers makes more sense. I'm sure however that once we've cut ourselves off from the rest of the world for long enough the inbreeding in the UK will see us as a nation catch up with the average number of fingers per capita in Blackburn and base 12 will look more logical ;)

The Imperial measurement system always had a much more personal feel to it than the coldly scientific metric system, why would we want a measurement system based on the dimensions of our planet and the weight and volume of water when we could instead make Britain great again by having a system based on Henry the VIII's foot, the distance from the tip of Henry the first's nose to the tip of his outstretched index finger and the width of the average man's thumb. The perfect measurement system for the forelock tugging, royalty loving, me, me, me nation we are seeking to rediscover. In fact I propose we adjust our system of acceleration calculation to change the measurement G from gravitional acceleration to the acceleration of loveable little Prince George's first wave, we'll be the envy of the world and great once more when the traffic on the M25 is pulling 10G whilst the fastest supersonic fighter jets of our rivals struggle to surpass 5G before their wussy foreign pilots pass out.
 
Who feck can't use both metric and imperial
 
Strong workers rights? Maybe if you are fortunate enough not to live in the southern eurozone and actually have a job. The EU is a big business project and has been since the off (Jean Monnet was a Wall Street banker). There's a reason the hard left like Corbyn (and Benn before him) are against it.

Personally I wanted to remain and I can't stand Corbyn but let's not build the EU into something it's not.
a lot of the workers rights the EU provides mean nothing to many people. The vast majority of workers rights protected by the EU are in regard to health and safety, which don't get me wrong in theory it is good thing, but in practice I couldn't honestly count the amount of times I've signed health and safety paper work in jobs, just to be told by bosses to do the exact thing I signed saying I wouldn't do.

I currently work in a theatre, and just this week we had a show in that you could not rig within health and safety laws..... we knew this when the show was booked in, I had pointed out to my bosses the touring company had pointed out to their bosses ..... do they give a crap of course not.... they just say make it happen.... and if it doesn't happen it's our jobs on the line in the next in the endless series of restructures. So I end up working 18 hour days doing things that are beyond unsafe and it's not like I work for some dogs company, the the theatres are run by the Council.

Yes maybe if I kicked up a fuss after a few years of fighting I may have got some where.... but in the mean time I would probably have lost my job which are incredibly hard to come by at the moment. I'm at least contracted staff, more and more people in the uk are on zero hour contracts, which means you have any kind of objection to the way you are treated and you don't get fired, they just stop giving you work, no fuss no warning.

I'm saying all this because like you said let's not build up the EU to be something it's not, and people build up the laws The that protect workers rights as this amazing thing that people should be worried about losing ..... people don't care because they see very little to no benift from them, the only difference is that you have to sign paper work saying it not the company's fault if you do the things your bosses are telling you to do.
 
Yeaaaaaah

2 small islands without land borders and historic ties to Britain. Oh and ireland.

I'd have been impressed if you had named a land locked country

They are still part of the EU mate.
 
Yeaaaaaah

2 small islands without land borders and historic ties to Britain. Oh and ireland.

I'd have been impressed if you had named a land locked country

Why would you be impressed?