and of course if any uk carriers decide to put fees on EU customers its likley they will do the same in return... probably nobody wants to make the first move but at some point its probably gonna happen
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Reminds me of the old newspaper headline ..."Fog in Channel, Continent cut-off". Now its "Charges on roaming, EU cut off"
Sarcasm dude. The import duty alone on one purchase from Europe has almost cost me as much as my annual EU contribution already. Not to mention its still stuck in Liepzig...
Sorry for misjudging you.
It sums up why the Remain campaign failed to resonate. After 40 years of EC/EUmembership, many people took all the positives for granted and thought Brexit was just adding some gains to (or removing some annoyances from) the status quo. And there was no way to disprove all the “Project Fear” smears until we actually left and had to experience these issues.
One english word (though from German origin I believe) that I learnt with Brexit is Shadenfreude
Thats my positive outcome, Thanks tories
Thats my positive outcome, Thanks tories
How does one feel sorry for someone like this?
Not what I said. Defending the status quo (which people take for the norm) is a lot harder than promoting fairy takes.
You don't. You mostly try not to snigger.
Why not laugh out loud & point?
I'm a liberal metropolitan elite remainer, how could I possibly challenge the will or decision making of the people?
That's what we get for leaving the EU, to be fair.
Well, one good thing that has come out of this is that this will serve as a stern reminder to all the remaining EU members for the next year or two of the cost of leaving the EU
The amount of extra work brexit has caused me I want to ban everyone on here who voted for it
Still having problems?
My Sky and Prime stopped immediately, same message. Done for sadly. I can't be bothered with all the VPN etc workarounds these days, I want easy access.
That eel exporter who regretted voting Brexit? This is his interview a few years ago with UKIP supporting Brexit.
The amount of lies that goes on in that interview.
The amount of lies that goes on in that interview.
Much more win
Mmmmm...smell that Brexit dividend.
Brexit: Problems grow at UK ports with backlogs and delays
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55583244
Brexit: Problems grow at UK ports with backlogs and delays
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55583244
how do you explain the fact that you get no roaming crafted in many non EU countries?
The amount of extra work brexit has caused me I want to ban everyone on here who voted for it
considering how left wing the forum is, it won’t be many...
However, in all seriousness, the referendum was 4.5 years ago. It’s not the people who voted for it you channel your frustration at, it’s those who implemented that direction, and the parting of ways. On both sides of the channel.
Same. I run an export transport company and the work is relentless, it’s caused absolute chaos for us and every one of our customers like we knew it would.The amount of extra work brexit has caused me I want to ban everyone on here who voted for it
A lot of companies will lose huge business because of this.
I still can’t believe it was voted for and actually happened, it’s benefited the UK in no way and caused massive disruption to trade and business relations between the UK and European companies.
All for what? It’s not like we make billions more as a country as the tariffs are zero rated on the whole. Just so we can tell foreign fisherman what to do? Or change our laws when we want? I don’t remember there being any issues getting fish & chips or the judicial system previously.
It’s an absolute joke, waste of time and money.
I understand that Vodafone at least have said that they intend to enforce their fair usage policies, which won't be a problem for holidaymakers but will for those of us living abroad permanently - I think the rules are no more than 60-odd days in 6 months. I have both UK and Italian phone contracts as you can't really give an Italian business a UK number to call you on.
BelarussiaOne thing that puzzles is me why Brexiteers think they will suddenly penetrate markets they struggled to reach before.
I’m beginning to think this might not have been a good idea after all.
It’s bollox, especially when you factor in the additional customs requirements to purchase from the uk now.
One thing that puzzles is me why Brexiteers think they will suddenly penetrate markets they struggled to reach before.
What I’m finding is that businesses on the continent are woefully unprepared to send goods into the uk and likewise do not want to deal with customs clearance to receive goods from the UK.
Brexit will do nothing but limit our ability to penetrate new markets and jeopardise the existing ones we have.
I don't think he's lying, I think he is genuinely extremely thick.
It's the impression I've had all along, Brexiters actually believe that they couldn't export outside the EU.
Why not? You can argue people may have changed their mind since then and you can argue about the quirks of the FPTP system which allow results like this to happen but we had an election since where one party promised very clearly to 'get Brexit done', even on a no deal basis if necessary, while the others offered, at the very least, to run a 2nd referendum. And those other parties got trounced.
'The people' voted for it in 2016 and again in 2019 and now they must live with the consequences.
Blaming the other side of the channel is a bit like blaming your gym when you used to have an all inclusive membership at a David Lloyds, decide to downgrade it to a gym only membership so you can use that extra money elsewhere and then act surprised when you aren't allowed to use the pool, the steam room or the tennis courts afterwards.
How on earth could he have been so hoodwinked? I can't imagine voting for something that would so directly shoot me in the foot. Wow.
The backstop forcing the companies to make your contract apply in EU countries has now gone and before that was done roaming was an issue in those countries so there's nothing stopping them removing that now. I know the government have put a £45 limit on excess roaming charges (mirroring the EU's out of contract charge) to stop excessive amounts being charged in the future,
Having said that, I agree that it's not as black and white as a re-introduction. Some of the operators offer non-EU countries and they tend to be the countries that either the operators themselves exist in or have deals with the same overseas operator globally.
Some of those deals are offered only on the higher value contracts though and there will be a time when those deals have to be renegotiated. We'll see what happens, but I can see a gradual move to only the higher contracts including free roaming so they can make some money out of it now it's not forced on them.
to be honest, I think we need to get over the blame game. It’s happened.
perhaps I wasn’t clear, I’m not blaming anyone, but the issues we have at the moment are due to the implementation being last minute - and that’s down to both sides of the negotiation table.
If we continue down this route of remainders and leavers, blaming those who voted to leave, saying that the need to ‘live with the consequences’ then Noone is ever going to move forward.
quite frankly we have bigger issues to deal with these days.
stop blaming other people, and get on with it. Start a campaign to rejoin. But stop harping on about the past.
it certainly used to be a big issue, and it was really punitive - I’m not sure when they were actually scrapped? But also technology has moved on significantly, I don’t know whether it will become a thing again. Clearly we all hope it doesn’t.
I'm with 3 and I can use my sim card, with my normal monthly allowance, in over 70 countries worldwide, including in South America and East Asia.
Admittedly I'm not a business traveller though so not sure how much you can push your luck with calls and texts etc.
the US. With Three you have access to free roaming in lots of non EU countries. I don’t know which ones without looking. Last time I went to the US with Vodafone (end of 2019) it was free internet and calls.
Fair enough I would still disagree that the changes being last minute are due to 'both sides' but let's leave it there anyway.
I'm not quite sure what moving forward looks like but frankly, the last 10 years of British politics and the face its shown of its people has really bothered me. If I were a betting man, I'd already bet for another Tory win in 4 years as well, almost regardless of what happens in the next 4 years. So better men and women than me can try to wrest back power from the Tories or try to convince this population away from its ridiculous exceptionalism and towards a closer relationship with the EU. But frankly I don't have the stomach or will to do it.
These people are adults. Brexit will affect me far less than it affects most of them so its not really mine (or others') jobs to hold their hands through the voting process if they wish to vote in certain ways.
One small thing I do agree with Johnson on is that I can't see another referendum on joining happening for a long time, for reasons on both sides of the channel. So its a bit of a meh, suck it up, get on with my life, try to mitigate the effects on those around me as best as I can, hope that better men and women than me manage to forge a better and closer relationship with the EU over time while lending them my vote but with a new undercurrent of resentment towards the ruling party, the media and the people who voted to put us in this mess. I may well leave the country too. I know it isn't healthy and I'm sure it will pass with time but such is life.
I don't think you understand that the UK left the EU Custom's Union which is what was voted for. Therefore the problems that are being faced now were known before the referendum. The UK voluntarily left the Customs Union and the problems are entirely and solely down to them. The Customs Union is still there ,thus between EU/EEA countries there are no such problems.
The trade deal has little to do with it.
People have no idea what they voted for.
One thing that puzzles is me why Brexiteers think they will suddenly penetrate markets they struggled to reach before.
The other point is that they also don't seem to understand that to whichever country they export to, the products they sell must comply with the regulations of the country they are exporting to. So whether the UK is in or out of the EU makes no difference in that respect.
In Gerald's case there I think so. It's the people pulling the strings of Gerald and his ilk that will make money off the whole charade who are the liars here.
I would like to see more of these people coming forward now we're out to pull down the curtain but don't particularly expect the likes of the BBC to cover it.