Sums what up? And how is it semantics? We're all different people so I don't expect us all to see eye to eye, but at least read what I'm saying and don't put words in my mouth. I asked you what are my prejudices, views and hypocrisies?
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I literally just said how it's arguing semantics, the point is still the same but instead of tackling the point you want to talk about how I said you called him a talking head as opposed to having the same opinion as a talking head. Essentially you've accused him of towing the line, so it doesn't matter either way, or would you care to explain to unsubtle differences?
You generalise cops and then complain about their stereotyping, you're so entrenched in your negative perceptions of a vastly varied group of men and women you can't see it.
Where? Where do I do this?
I'm talking about cops defending bad cops, even when there's not enough info to do so. I'm talking about cops being unwilling to accept that there's a problem with policing. Nothing will get better until this starts to happen, until there's more introspection in the US police system, training, diversity, weeding out the bad fcuking eggs...
But here we are talking about me and my supposed hypocrisies and prejudices
Wait so it's that I said he's toeing the party line then? Ok that's fair. I think that towing the party line and palming it off as a joke and some clueless police officers laughing at said totally inappropriate and unfunny joke is naive at best... At worst, you work it out.
There you go again, I don't know if they'll recall but I've already told both cops that I think it's a minority so I don't know where you're going with this. You need to actually read my posts...
Edit: Following to its natural conclusion you must think that I think @choiboyx012 and @Skizzo are corrupt, racist, etc? I'm sure I've told them that I don't think that, they could be, I don't know them. I just think they are in that police family/brotherhood, just like repubs who don't/won't criticise Trump. Doesn't mean they condone all his shite, they have their reasons for not doing so. I don't get it, but I can't relate. I don't like something I say it....
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Which is fine and I entirely agree, but starting with the assumption the police officer will do something wrong or is a bad apple is not the way to do it, especially when you are expecting the officer to have a similarly unbiased view on, say, you as a black man. That's hypocrisy mate, by its very definition, and having that generic view of an officer is a big part of the problem.Where? Where do I do this?
I'm talking about cops defending bad cops, even when there's not enough info to do so. I'm talking about cops being unwilling to accept that there's a problem with policing. Nothing will get better until this starts to happen, until there's more introspection in the US police system, training, diversity, weeding out the bad fcuking eggs...
But here we are talking about me and my supposed hypocrisies and prejudices
Wait so it's that I said he's toeing the party line then? Ok that's fair. I think that towing the party line and palming it off as a joke and done clueless police officers laughing at said totally inappropriate and unfunny joke is naive at best... At worst, you work it out.
There you go again, I don't know if they'll recall but I've already told both cops that I think it's a minority so I don't know where you're going with this. You need to actually read my posts...
You've invited an officer to give his opinion of a situation, a quite reasonable opinion I might add, and then condemned outright, stating it's the same answer every cop would given and assumed why he has given. It couldn't possibly be simply his own opinion in the matter, could it?
If you don't understand how that is stereotyping, how that is hypocrisy, then buy a dictionary.
And a simple search will show how you've accused Skizzo of blindly defending a cop and then for you to backtrack when he has pointed you in the direction of posts when he's don't quite the opposite (page 20).
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I'll own that one then, cops defend other cops. Controversial I know. Nobodies ever heard that before... Regardless you can call it a prejudice then, one that you can easily dispel mind, just by opening your mouth.
As we are doing false equivalence here that other stereotype that you mention. What's that based on? How does that manifest itself? Do people die as a result of it? Maybe not so equivalent....
Just to put this to bed, when I asked the cops to comment it was with an opened mind, I half assumed that would be the answer (whatever the reason), call that what you want I don't really care. I think there's no longer any reason to continue as unless @choiboyx012 come in with a different line of conversation this has run it's course. It's like nearly a page of back and forths for a poster saying 'haha I knew it' to another poster... @Duafc point being that he thinks the thread is pointless now and yours that you think I'm a hypocrite.
Yes, that's what people do when they are mistaken. Curious why you called it backtracking tho.
Fcuk me I just read this again. You know how funny it is you writing that in this thread? Think about it
I could explain it but I don't think I have to...
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You still don't get it do you? Yes, cops will on occasion defend cops, more often than they should, but assuming every cop is defending another cop when they make comments on particular instances is prejudicial. How can you not get this!?I'll own that one then, cops defend other cops. Controversial I know. Nobodies ever heard that before... Regardless you can call it a prejudice then, one that you can easily dispel mind, just by opening your mouth.
As we are doing false equivalence here that other stereotype that you mention. What's that based on? How does that manifest itself? Do people die as a result of it? Maybe not so equivalent....
Just to put this to bed, when I asked the cops to comment it was with an opened mind, I half assumed that would be the answer (whatever the reason), call that what you want I don't really care. I think there's no longer any reason to continue as unless @choiboyx012 come in with a different line of conversation this has run it's course. It's like nearly a page of back and forths for a poster saying 'haha I knew it' to another poster... @Duafc point being that he thinks the thread is pointless now and yours that you think I'm a hypocrite.
Yes, that's what people do when they are mistaken. Curious why you called it backtracking tho.
Fcuk me I just read this again. You know how funny it is you writing that in this thread? Think about it
I could explain it but I don't think I have to...
And then when you've been shown to be completely and utterly wrong on the aforementioned instance you've simply said you haven't read all their posts so it just seems that way. You know why it seemed that way? Because you've entered the thread and read his post with that viewpoint already in mind.
That comment has come directly from a video you have posted of Trump making a speech, a speech that has been lambasted by several different departments and individuals within law enforcement. So yeah, green smiley all you like.
Personally, given the state of racial tensions in America, specifically surrounding police brutality in recent years, I find it disgusting that any police officer would cheer on someone rallying to rough up the people they arrest even more, and insist that they aren't part of the problem.
And I don't think there's any defending that.
Calling it a 'joke' only ridicules the situation and takes away from the context in which this entire situation is allowed to happen.
Sure, I find crude jokes hilarious - but coming from this President? Clapped at by police officers? When thousands have died at their hands in the last years alone?
Nah, not for me.
But hey, i'm not a policeman, maybe I just don't 'get it'
And I don't think there's any defending that.
Calling it a 'joke' only ridicules the situation and takes away from the context in which this entire situation is allowed to happen.
Sure, I find crude jokes hilarious - but coming from this President? Clapped at by police officers? When thousands have died at their hands in the last years alone?
Nah, not for me.
But hey, i'm not a policeman, maybe I just don't 'get it'
Fcuk sake did you see what the smiley was in reference to? Wind your neck in I already accepted that it's prejudice and so what? I'll spell out the joke because you clearly didn't get it, and I'm guessing that's the problem here.
Some black people have those prejudices about police because of the prejudices that some police have about black people (case in point the article linked on the page where this back and forth started), you saying that black people not having those prejudices will make the situation improve is hilarious because in America, not having those prejudices could get you killed.
I don't have the same (police can do no wrong) view of police as you and some others, and I'm guessing that's because we have different experiences (police can do wrong and I've seen on multiple occasions), I'll leave it at that.
And if a police officer justifies their own generalisations about an enormous and far reaching group of people with that same thought process you're all over them like a rash. Hypocrisy.
So you're happy to accept your prejudices and therefore your hypocrisy. Then why are you getting offended when I call you prejudice and hypocritical? Simply accepting you were wrong and moving on will be better for everyone.
Well clearly you're not hear to engage........
I mean clearly you're on a wind up, it seems like you just want me to call myself a hypocrite and be hurt about the whole ordeal. Are you really trying to compare me thinking that cops are more likely to cover for other cops, to cops thinking that black males are violent criminals? Are they one and the same in your mind?
Does me having that thought justify the other? Is this where you are going?
Yup, we just don't get 'it'. Maybe somebody will explain what the 'it' is that we're supposed to be getting?
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What's left to engage? You've admitted you were wrong and are now being abrasive while telling me to 'wind my neck in', hypocrisy. What else is there to discuss? I'm happy to shift focus but right now you're arguing for the sake of
You joined the argument with the singular intention of calling me hypocrite, your work is done, move along ....
Which you have now admitted, despite previously claiming you invited two police officers into a discussion to hear their opinion with an open mind. I think we know who needs to move along...
Wait.... Are you still going down this false equivalency route? I'm a hypocrite because I'm suspicious that cops may cover for other cops even though I was open to the possibility that these guys wouldn't (only one of them has spoken btw)? Ermm... Or I'm a hypocrite because I did this while being critical of other cops being suspicious of black males and in some circumstances shooting and killing them? Sure.... Ok
@afrocentricity
Just out of curiosity, how do you have this idea that I'm here just covering for any and all cops?
Just out of curiosity, how do you have this idea that I'm here just covering for any and all cops?
Yeah it would be nice to see the exact posts that led him to believe that or whether it is the typical internet thing that it is automatically assumed you are taking the direct opposite position of the other person even if nothing posted actually suggests that. Can't speak for everyone but I have been guilty of filling in meaning behind what someone posted and been on the other end where people read a whole lot of words into one of my posts that were never actually there nor meant to be there.
Because in a country where everyday instances of police brutality and murder come to light, when the president seems to encourage this, the response of the police is going to be scrutinised. The main defence of the police is that a few bad cops drive the news, ignoring the majority sensible cops.
The spontaneously happy reaction to this speech at this moment seems to say a lot. For an example of another kind of spontaneous reaction, look at the reaction of the NYPD to the presence of their mayor 1-2 years ago.
The spontaneously happy reaction to this speech at this moment seems to say a lot. For an example of another kind of spontaneous reaction, look at the reaction of the NYPD to the presence of their mayor 1-2 years ago.
I don't know tbh, I just wouldn't be surprised if you did. Like I said I don't know you. I knew 3 other policemen (2 and 1), they weren't clean, 2 I've seen take drugs, 1 there are strong rumours about. Then you have police culture, man culture, group think. Is it really that shocking that a person could have the mindset that I've exhibited? I find it surprising that others find it shocking. I take your comments at face value though, if you've never seen anything untoward, and nothing happens at your precinct then fair enough. I've literally dug you out what? 2 or 3 times? It's not that deep is it?
No, you're a hypocrite because, despite having evidence in this very thread of the contrary, you've still stood by your prejudicial views of a cop and are now trying to defend them. You've called him into the thread to point score, made a hilarious claim that you're being the arbiter of justice and then got up in arms when two posters have questioned you on it.
Wait.... Are you still going down this false equivalency route? I'm a hypocrite because I'm suspicious that cops may cover for other cops even though I was open to the possibility that these guys wouldn't (only one of them has spoken btw)? Ermm... Or I'm a hypocrite because I did this while being critical of other cops being suspicious of black males and in some circumstances shooting and killing them? Sure.... Ok
You know it's going well when you have to shove a laughing face into every other post in an attempt to give it weight, or editing a post 15 minutes after I have replied to it... bodes well. (
).But then my view that you shouldnt tarnish every cop with the same brush equates to, in your words, believing police can do no wrong pretty much denote how utterly lost you are in all this.
Is this what you do? You've got tunnel vision mate, the conversation is moving on. Ok you want to call me a hypocrite go ahead and knock yourself out. There are smilies in my post because you're making me laugh. Your coming across all internet warrior. You got me, that hypocrisy in small letters was like a dragon punch to the nuts, you've won. Well done.No, you're a hypocrite because, despite having evidence in this very thread of the contrary, you've still stood by your prejudicial views of a cop and are now trying to defend them. You've called him into the thread to point score, made a hilarious claim that you're being the arbiter of justice and then got up in arms when two posters have questioned you on it.
You know it's going well when you have to shove a laughing face into every other post in an attempt to give it weight, or editing a post 15 minutes after I have replied to it... bodes well. (
But then my view that you shouldnt tarnish every cop with the same brush equates to, in your words, believing police can do no wrong pretty much denote how utterly lost you are in all this.
Never mind that you ignored pretty much everything else in my posts \0/
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I don't need to any more, you've done a fine job of demonstrating it to one and all.Is this what you do? You've got tunnel vision mate, the conversation is moving on. Ok you want to call me a hypocrite go ahead and knock yourself out. There are smilies in my post because you're making me laugh. Your coming across all internet warrior. You got me, that hypocrisy in small letters was like a dragon punch to the nuts, you've won. Well done.
Never mind that you ignored pretty much everything else in my posts
Great point to make while ignoring half of the post you just responded to, thats what they call hypo...
- Am I doing it right?So anyway, I don't think you're the actual police defence force, maybe for some the fact that I said you're answer was unsurprising indicated otherwise, but even if I have loose assumptions about a group, I take each person individually. In saying that, is the fact that I believe some cops will avoid criticising other cops shocking to you?
Bunch of big men fighting it out in here I see.
You want some bruv?
What the hell was this about?
I'll assume some kind of chase that ended up with multiple units in pursuit, which appear to probably be NARCs involved due to the civilian clothing (I'm probably wrong). But the resulting showdown seems quite disjointed.
I'll assume some kind of chase that ended up with multiple units in pursuit, which appear to probably be NARCs involved due to the civilian clothing (I'm probably wrong). But the resulting showdown seems quite disjointed.
This was posted on a friends Facebook page last week..apparently she knows the involved. Had a lengthy discussion about it.
This guys hands were also visible most of the time too...and he was just reaching for his wallet/ID
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Looks like a grander and gunnier version of when 5 different Verizon guys showed up at my apt when installation was going on, apparently just to be able to claim the job (the first guy that arrived did 99% of the work from what I could tell).
Lol yea there's so much wrong tactically. I'm sure this video has been played in every roll call room in departments throughout the country
This scum of the earth piece of shit got convicted 35 years. Really hits home.
I'm sorry but what the feck is wrong with this driver. I don't care if I'm in the wrong or not, you don't get anywhere if you refuse to exit the car after the police tell you to. You gain absolute feck all.
Then he pulls out his fecking gun.
The bolded bit - are you serious? He had the fecking balls to bring and point his gun at one of the officers at the end of the video. How do you really know he was reaching for his ID/wallet?
Then there's moments like these. I will never ever defend the cops who don't even give people a chance to stand down. We've seen videos of officers putting a gun up at a person, telling them to put their arms in the air, and just a milisecond into the person seemingly doing so, the officer shoots in an instant. They are bastards.
But there's moments like the above where the officer repeatedly gives the guy a change to take him hands out of his pocket. Ignored multiple times. He could have tazered him on the spot, and yet he's be lynched by some for tazering someone who wasn't threatening in any way. Instead he gives the guy more chances than he should have and gets shot point blank and could have easily died on the spot.
I could never be a police officer, especially in the States. One of the hardest jobs I can imagine.
Hope that scum enjoys prison.
He's not being serious. @Skizzo does a nice job at balancing horrible bad cop videos and stories with what a good cop goes through daily. We often hear he was just reaching for his ID, this video shows what that could mean.
My bad.
Saw a police officer with a stab wound last night in A&E and seeing this thread hit home.
This story was on my local news website in SC this morning. I actually came to this thread to link to it.
Considering the injuries this officer suffered, it is amazing that he survived.
Yeah sorry if that's older part caused any confusion. It was meant to highlight how everyone says they're reaching around in their car for wallet/ID/registration etc, and while some legitimately are, it just goes to show how a guy with a loaded gun probably won't be up front about it and might even lie to an officer, no less.
Hopefully people realize that's why police are so adamant about not reaching around where we can't see.
Any update on the officer who was stabbed?
Yeah it seemed they were trying to maintain the polite demeanor and not seem too forceful. There's only so many times you can ask nicely. Sure you don't want to escalate things, but you sure as hell don't want to let a situation evolve like that.
I try to balance at least. I figure the officers going above and beyond should get just as much, if not more, attention than the guys ruining it for the rest of us.
Don't even know what to say.
Not much to say. Nothing should lead to an invasive search on the side of the road. For marijuana, no less. If they legitimately began searching the vehicle for marijuana, fair enough, but once they didn't find any, that should be it. You search where is reasonable. Passenger compartment, trunk. You don't rip someone's pants down and invite yourself in.
Regardless of the outcome for the civil trial, she'll unfortunately have to live with the actions taken that day, and money won't take the sting off that.
What the hell?