Those people around him were threatening enough that I could see him thinking about drawing and he'd be perfectly justified.
Cop in America doing a bad job, again
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And if summary execution is ever justified, I'd happily vote for a cap in the back of the head to any cnut who kept their feet up on a train seat after being asked to remove them. Bang! Humanity's gene pool instantly improved.
You can get done in the UK for putting your feet on the seats on a train.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/train-passenger-fined-120-putting-7367262
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/train-passenger-fined-120-putting-7367262
I love sitting on seat-feeters feet. Same for cnuts who won't move their bags. I just plonk right down on it.
What a waste of resources though. If she refused he should be able to just write her a spot fine and be done with it. Ends up having to call back up, 2 arrests, 2 people to process and charge, train was probably delayed. Police resources are better spent elsewhere.
Also that people advocating police drawing their weapons in a crowded subway because someone had their feet on a seat need to think properly. What if she reacts by running away, do you then shoot her in a busy subway? Cop did the right thing.
What a bint. She clearly declined taking her foot off the seat which is rules of the train. Doesn't matter if she bought a ticket, doesn't mean you aren't allowed to follow the rules.
The way they ganged up on him there was bullshit.
The way they ganged up on him there was bullshit.
Probably the transit cops so what else do they have to do.
I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting shooting or even drawing the weapon on anyone for having their feet on a seat. There was a mention of drawing the weapon based on the actions of the people crowding around the cop.
Definitely agree with last bit. You’d have to wonder how it escalated to the point he ended up on the train in the first place. Can only assume the silly cow was making some sort of point and the cops got called as a last resort.
You need to read properly and understand how cops act over here. If a cop is making a bust, on their own and people around are getting in your face then you need to take control of the situation for your own safety. He asked them to back off but they were still being rowdy.
She was not arrested for putting her feet on the seat. It's not an arrestable offense. She was probably arrested for 148pc-obstruction/resisting an officer or investigation. The fat chick was probably also arrested for the same thing, but once she spit on the officer it becomes a more serious "battery on a peace officer"
I don't know what procedures are for transit enforcement. But you're right, resources are better utilized elsewhere. However, the situation started because of HER behavior. It escalated due to HER behavior. He followed the golden rule of ATM: Ask her to comply with the rules. Tell her to comply. then, Make her comply. Once the first 2 options have been exhausted, she forces the officer's hand.
That's an LAPD sergeant. LAPD recently won a contract for jurisdiction of some of the metro lines last year. So they, along with LA sheriff's dept, patrol the metro/train lines.
Believe me, a Lapd sergeant, especially one who requested to work the metro line, probably requested it to have a chill and low-key work schedule unlike regular patrol. I'm certain he wasn't actively looking to get involved in a pissing match with some young hippie bitch and end up on YouTube.
I see two people in that video, the 18 year old girl and the other one who also ended up getting arrested. I assume from the tone of voice that the person taking the video is male. They were arguing with him but I seriously don't see how drawing your weapon is going to improve that situation. He got his backup and they were arrested. Just 2 dumb kids, I'm sure most people on here have done far worse when they were young than putting their feet on a train seat. Don't think that means you deserve to have a gun pulled on you or get shot.
He probably was stationed on the train or taking the train between stations he patrolled.
Okay if you are dumb enough to think anyone is seriously suggesting shooting anyone your too stupid to continue having a conversation with. The couple of people around him were definitely aggressive towards him and failing to follow requests from the officer to the point on spit on him. Dumb kids yes, that is why they got arrested and the whole incident went as far as it did. Blame clearly lies with the two dumb kids.
You're first of all.
So which is it? No one is suggesting the police officer draw a weapon or people were acting aggressively towards the police officer so he would have been justified drawing his weapon. You're contradicting yourself.
I don't understand why he has to be so aggressive. As a cop, you should be well versed in dealing with assholes on a regular basis. How does arresting and making a scene help anyone in this scenario?
I thought he dealt with the assholes pretty well. If you watched the video, you'd see that it wasn't him "making a scene".
I mean..he did drag her out and slam her against the wall. Both of them seem to have really poor communication skills. You can't go around arresting every teenager who likes to mouth off.
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Also missing from this is the beginning of the entire encounter between them, so we don't see how it all kicks off
Hearing his body cam was recording so that should shed some additional light on the situation if it is true.
Ought to be straight out illegal. Also one more reason why I think the police unions need to be held financially and in some cases it's leadership criminally responsible for the acts committed by dirty cops.
Get out of jail free cards lol wut. I knew Thailand has them but it's under the table stuff. The fact that this is allowed openly is outrageous.
I had no idea that was a real thing in America.I can’t believe that’s a real thing.
Is this what it sounds like?
How about we don't advocate escalating the situation by involving guns, feckinell. How about we err on the side of least possible escalation and violence?
Put yourself in his position where he is possibly being surrounded by a tense crowd. He has to make a decision with his own safety being paramount. This is the US where people carry guns. You're that cop, do you potentially gamble your life by just assuming that everybody will be nice to you in that situation? These days too many feckers are getting in cops faces and that contributes to these distasteful incidents of overt force.
Based on what we see, he handled the situation very well IMO.
Struggling to understand why the media is using incendiary words on this as well.
From my perspective, the officer handled this well. Verbal requests failed, an escalation of force was applied to counter her refusal to move, and de-escalation happened outside the train, in spite of second antagonist.
This should be a training video on the right way to handle these situation.
He didn't go for his gun and escalate the situation, you saying he handled it well leads me to believe you agree that he shouldn't do that, so you are agreeing then?
And yes, I was putting myself in his position, what do you think I'm doing?
Re-read the thread.
Yeah I'm with the cop on this one. The tricky part is what happened before the video. I think it's pretty telling the point at which the person with the camera started recording.
You know what anyone watching this young girl get manhandled for basically being a young girl and cheering and advocating more escalation/aggression needs to fcuk off. Imagine that was your daughter, some of you are weird.
@Grinner I don't need to reread anything my point which I think is clear is that I disagree with anyone claiming that he should have gone for his gun or that guns should have been involved. But I'm not American....
@Grinner I don't need to reread anything my point which I think is clear is that I disagree with anyone claiming that he should have gone for his gun or that guns should have been involved. But I'm not American....
It was the minimum and appropriate amount of force to MAKE (remember the ATM rule?) Her get off the train. You're right. No one, not even cops, think its a good idea to go around arresting every back-talking teenager. But once she gets contacted by him regarding a code of conduct rule being broken, and refusing to comply, she forces the sergeant's hand to take action.
My point exactly.
If your daughter was asked to leave a train by a cop and refused to do so what do you think the officer should do if multiple verbal requests have been refused and your daughter is being rude to him?
Did people lose the ability to read while I was away?
How about, not draw their fcuking gun? Is this a controversial request? Am I missing something?
He didn't draw his gun did he? You characterized what the cop did as manhandling. I'd like to know if you were in his position how you would have gotten her to leave the train?