Cop in America doing a bad job, again

https://www.azcentral.com/picture-g...igrant-children-at-holding-facility/10808687/

First glimpse of immigrant children at holding facility

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Two female detainees sleep in a holding cell. Children are separated by age group and gender. CPB provided media tours Wednesday of two locations in Brownsville, Texas, and Nogales, that have been central to processing the more than 47,000 unaccompanied children who have entered the country illegally since Oct. 1.
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This is the part they are broadcasting...
 
And this is the part they're not:
ACLU OBTAINS DOCUMENTS SHOWING WIDESPREAD ABUSE OF CHILD IMMIGRANTS IN U.S. CUSTODY

The report is based on over 30,000 pages of documents dated between 2009 and 2014. The documents were obtained by the ACLU Foundation of San Diego & Imperial Counties and the ACLU Foundation of Arizona through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit co-counseled with Cooley LLP. The documents feature numerous cases of shocking violence and abuse against migrant children, many of whom arrived in the United States fleeing violence in their home countries.

“The students reviewing these records were shocked by the abuse and neglect these children were subjected to at the hands of U.S. officials. The fact that these children were already so vulnerable — most traveling alone in hopes of escaping violence and poverty in their home countries — made the unlawful and inhumane actions reflected in the documents even more distressing,” said Claudia Flores, faculty director of the International Human Rights Clinic at the University of Chicago Law School.

Law students in the International Human Rights Clinic examined a subset of the records obtained. The documents show numerous cases involving federal officials’ verbal, physical and sexual abuse of migrant children; the denial of clean drinking water and adequate food; failure to provide necessary medical care; detention in freezing, unsanitary facilities; and other violations of federal law and policy and international law. The documents provide evidence that U.S. officials were aware of these abuses as they occurred, but failed to properly investigate, much less to remedy, these abuses.

Examples of the documented abuses include allegations that CBP officials:

  • Punched a child’s head three times
  • Kicked a child in the ribs
  • Used a stun gun on a boy, causing him to fall to the ground, shaking, with his eyes rolling back in his head
  • Ran over a 17-year-old with a patrol vehicle and then punched him several times
  • Verbally abused detained children, calling them dogs and “other ugly things”
  • Denied detained children permission to stand or move freely for days and threatened children who stood up with transfer to solitary confinement in a small, freezing room
  • Denied a pregnant minor medical attention when she reported pain, which preceded a stillbirth
  • Subjected a 16-year-old girl to a search in which they “forcefully spread her legs and touched her private parts so hard that she screamed”
  • Left a 4-pound premature baby and her minor mother in an overcrowded and dirty cell full of sick people, against medical advice
  • Threw out a child’s birth certificate and threatened him with sexual abuse by an adult male detainee.
The report also shows evidence of CBP holding migrant children in excess of the 72-hour maximum period permitted by law, as well as officials’ efforts to deport children without due process and via coercion.
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https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-obta...-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody
 
utdalltheway said:
I read that too but still confused on the motive for the rough arrest.
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Apparently the report said she was also spitting on some of the officers, so there may be more to it. Obviously doesn’t look good at first viewing by any stretch of the imagination though.

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Just in regards to that, just because she “passed” doesn’t mean it’s not a combination with drugs, and you can also be considered under the influence if you’re under the legal limit, not to mention if shes underage. Since the contact required some level of investigation, she’s also required to identify herself, since it sounds like she was detained while they did the PAS.
 
Spitting isn’t on.
I’m glad there are cameras everywhere now. Yeah, sometimes they can give a slanted view but overall it’s a good thing.
What say you?
 
utdalltheway said:
Spitting isn’t on.
I’m glad there are cameras everywhere now. Yeah, sometimes they can give a slanted view but overall it’s a good thing.
What say you?
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Not saying that happened for sure, there’s multiple accounts of what happened. Others say she kicked out at one of them before trying to walk away. The story (from what I’ve quickly looked up) sounds like her and a friend were contacted for possibly drinking while underage. She took the PAS test, then made some comment about cops having nothing better to do than stopping underage drinking. He was gonna issue her a citation at that point, hence why he asked for her name. She refused to provide it and then walked away (im guessing the kicking or spitting might have happened somewhere around here) as the officer walked after her. Apparently she tripped, and then the officer went to grab her.

My personal view, is that I understand the need to make an arrest when necessary, but with two officers on a teenage girl, it really should be possible to make that happen without a couple of hammerfists to the face. The fact that people resent were yelling for her to stop resisting makes me think maybe there’s more that happened prior, but based on just the footage, it seems over the top. That being said, it also highlights how you can’t make snap judgements on every 45 second clip and know the whole story.

Edit: just realized you were probably asking me about having cameras and body cams everywhere :lol: I’m all for it. Most cops have nothing to hide, and you only have to browse YouTube to see how many false accusations were found out to be complete bullshit by someone claiming racism or assault because they got stopped for speeding.
 
But surely even if she was spitting and resisting arrest, the cop did not have to point blank punch her on the face - twice. I appreciate that cops have a very difficult job but no matter how badly the alleged culprit is behaving, they should be able to make arrests without needlessly assaulting the person.

@Skizzo you're a cop right? Am curious to know what context do you think justifies the cop's behaviour in the above scenario?
 
Even if she did spit, what kind of deranged fecker feels the need to utilize a ground and pound UFC highlight reel beat down on an 80 pound girl.
 
Utdfrom2002 said:
But surely even if she was spitting and resisting arrest, the cop did not have to point blank punch her on the face - twice. I appreciate that cops have a very difficult job but no matter how badly the alleged culprit is behaving, they should be able to make arrests without needlessly assaulting the person.

@Skizzo you're a cop right? Am curious to know what context do you think justifies the cop's behaviour in the above scenario?
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That’s what I meant by it doesn’t look good, with or without context. In my opinion, if someone is actively resisting , and by that I mean pushing away, punching, kicking etc, then any kind of physical force you can use is okay to make that arrest and gain compliance.

That being said, a teenage girl with two officers shouldnt need to be punched in the face to gain compliance. It’s by no means easy trying to put handcuffs on someone when they don’t want to go with the program, and I always recommend people grabbing a couple of friends and trying that out on each other to see, but I think they could have achieved the same outcome without the hammer fists
 
Embarrassing American MMA dork mentality on display, sad that this line of work gives these cretins the ability to act like this.
 
Two grown men should be able to detain a slim young girl without much drama. The only two explanations for the blows to the head are: he is either a complete bully or maybe she spat at him just before the blows.
 
Eboue said:
heres a cop just punching a girl in the head on the beach. mike will be along shortly to explain why its actually okay

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Nothing can justify punching her, the guy is a coward and not fit to be an officer.
 
@Skizzo Even if she spat at the officer and kicked out at them when they were trying to arrest her, do you think that would justify punching her twice in the head? I know we can’t see what happened, but if that is what happened and she was resisting would it be a justifiable action?
 
Maxii said:
@Skizzo Even if she spat at the officer and kicked out at them when they were trying to arrest her, do you think that would justify punching her twice in the head? I know we can’t see what happened, but if that is what happened and she was resisting would it be a justifiable action?
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If she did actually kick one of them (which I don’t think was ever actually confirmed) then it depends on the time frame. If she kicked him, ran away, fell over, and then they grabbed her, then no id say it wouldn’t be. If she was actively kicking them as they were trying to put handcuffs on, then that’s a different story. The latter doesn’t appear to be the case based upon what we did see, but most of these videos seem to only pick up the end.
 
Skizzo said:
If she did actually kick one of them (which I don’t think was ever actually confirmed) then it depends on the time frame. If she kicked him, ran away, fell over, and then they grabbed her, then no id say it wouldn’t be. If she was actively kicking them as they were trying to put handcuffs on, then that’s a different story. The latter doesn’t appear to be the case based upon what we did see, but most of these videos seem to only pick up the end.
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What if she kicked out and just before the blows she spat directly in the officer face. Would using a little more force to subdue her be justifiable then?
 
Mike Schatner said:
What if she kicked out and just before the blows she spat directly in the officer face. Would using a little more force to subdue her be justifiable then?
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It gets into a grey area, which will automatically trigger people in here into thinking I’m backing up actions of unnecessary force.

Any use of force situations are fluid. As in, a man walks towards you with his fists saying he’s gonna beat your face in. You pull out an ECD or a baton. As he gets closer, he reaches in and pulls out a gun. You drop your baton and pull out your firearm, and then he drops the gun and runs back at you with just his hands, so now the deadly threat is gone, and you have to transition back down to a non-lethal option again. It all happens quickly (and obviously this is an extreme example) but the officer has to react to the threat presented, and escalate and de-escalate his response as the situation changes and evolves, in split seconds. Once you’re caught in an action, there’s that delay between being able to process the information, and stop the action. That’s why you often see extra rounds being shot after someone has gone down.

So to answer your question (in a long winded fashion) if she was kicking and spitting directly before the punches, the officer may not have processed yet that she wasn’t kicking at that very moment, and had stopped a couple of seconds prior. In that case there’s more justification for his action, depending on that time lapse between events.

The time between things happening in the moment, as well as the adrenaline, compared to sitting watching it casually from the couch online are hard to factor in too.
 
Skizzo said:
So to answer your question (in a long winded fashion) if she was kicking and spitting directly before the punches, the officer may not have processed yet that she wasn’t kicking at that very moment, and had stopped a couple of seconds prior. In that case there’s more justification for his action, depending on that time lapse between events.
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Main reason I asked is immediately before the blows she was face to face with the officer. The video starts just as he flips he on her side and hits her in the head. There is not enough video there to see if that was when she spat at the officer.


Skizzo said:
The time between things happening in the moment, as well as the adrenaline, compared to sitting watching it casually from the couch online are hard to factor in too.
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Isn't that the truth. Especially when the narrative of many of these incidents has already been decided before they get posted here.
 
Mike Schatner said:
Seems she did spit at the officer:

Weinman, who lives in Philadelphia, was charged with two counts of aggravated assault on a police officer, aggravated assault by spitting bodily fluids at a police officer, disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, obstruction and being a minor in possession of alcohol.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-punching-woman-beach-arres-article-1.4013088
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To add on to this

Court Records from Philadelphia show a 20-year-old Emily Amber Weinman is on active probation after pleading guilty to assault and recklessly endangering another person. It appears that numerous other charges were dismissed in the plea deal.
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So it seems she wasn’t just avoiding giving her name because she did nothing wrong.
 
Skizzo said:
That’s what I meant by it doesn’t look good, with or without context. In my opinion, if someone is actively resisting , and by that I mean pushing away, punching, kicking etc, then any kind of physical force you can use is okay to make that arrest and gain compliance.

That being said, a teenage girl with two officers shouldnt need to be punched in the face to gain compliance. It’s by no means easy trying to put handcuffs on someone when they don’t want to go with the program, and I always recommend people grabbing a couple of friends and trying that out on each other to see, but I think they could have achieved the same outcome without the hammer fists
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Cheers! I still feel whatever the context, the arrest could be affected without such brute force. I mean there are 2-3 officers on scene. Despite the girl kicking off and spitting, they could hold her and restrain her. Obviously you are trained for such situations but I feel too often the cops in America act first and think later. There's always a technicality to fall back to - they were not complying, they were resisting arrest, they had something in their pockets and we assumed it was a gun.
 
Skizzo said:
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So it seems she wasn’t just avoiding giving her name because she did nothing wrong.
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I don't think you can keep saying that just because someone has previous that any force used against them is justified. The law is blind and doesn't look at past convictions, especially during an arrest...unless there are outstanding warrants of course. Even the worst murderer or rapist is accorded due process over and over again because that is our system.
 
Mike Schatner said:
:lol::lol::lol:

Usually two sides to every story. Got to love the world we live in when people with agendas go bonkers over every video they see without the full picture.
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Who gives a shit, you craven bootlicker? None of that is relevant to the fact that a cop punched a girl in the head multiple times while she was held down by another officer.
 
Eboue said:
Who gives a shit, you craven bootlicker? None of that is relevant to the fact that a cop punched a girl in the head multiple times while she was held down by another officer.
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Oh its very relevant. It explains why she wouldn't give her name and it gives you a little insight into the type of person she is.

She wasn't even getting a citation until she mouthed off. Then she refused to give her name, which is also an offense in NJ. Then she resisted arrest and to top it off she spat at the officer. If she spat in his face while they struggled on the ground it changes the entire narrative.

The girl has even back tracked and admitted she was wrong.
 
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