Cop in America doing a bad job, again

KirkDuyt said:
I think the thing with cops is simple; they're people and like all people, some are good and some are bad. That police in some parts of the world seem to attract a lot of bad guys is probably true, I don't think it's fair to paint cops in general to be over aggressive bad guys. It's obviously a very stressful job and in some situations you decide to er on the safe side and use too much force. In the video being discussed here I think that's very obvious. Punching this girl in the face while she is unarmed and already down is excessive. I doubt anyone in this topic disagrees with that. I do have some sympathy for cops in general since, as the general public, it's very easy to decide someone is an aggressive psychopath over a 20 second video. Perhaps the guy has been shot at by a harmless looking victim before, perhaps there are other factors that lead to this. I would never want to be a cop for these reasons obviously, I'm not brave enough to go after bad guys and probably wouldn't be able to correctly assess all these situations either. You can reason that if a cop can't do this either, he shouldn't be a cop, but that's very easy to say from the sidelines.

Cops are people and some people are cnuts. That's basically how it works. I don't think there's some institutional country wide master plan to keep the little man down with violence.

I've actually had a bad run in with two cops on new years eve. I was drunkly cycling home with a friend sitting on the back off my bike when we were pulled over. The cops shouted, face against the wall and don't say anything. I proceeded to, admittedly in a snarky way, tell them that's ridiculous and wanted to know what I did wrong. They proceeded to tackle me, cuff me, and haul me off to the station where I spend a night in jail. Hardly seems fair, but after an entire night off chasing after aggressive drunk people they were probably weary and had reached the end of their patience. I was mad about it, but the bed in my cell was comfy and I never bothered to make anything out of it.

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uhm, some cops suck, but context is important. The incident in this topic is an obvious case of excessive force though.
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afrocentricity said:
The same way it's 'easy' for us to criticise cops using excessive force (from the sidelines) without knowing the full picture (preceding events, motives, etc) is the same way it's 'easy' for us to criticise the people on the receiving end (without knowing the full picture)... We shouldn't do either as much as we do but it happens, a lot.

It annoys me when people like Mike posit all the different things the person being tazed/tackled/shot/etc may have done to warrant it. Just like it annoys some of you when people question the motives of the POs involved.

Maybe we should do less of both? Or at the least quit whining about either?


You seem to very understanding. I wonder how far it goes?

I've had worst done to me for less.
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Both good well balanced posts which restore my faith in this thread a little. Thanks!

FWIW I have also been dealt with poorly (by my own standards) by the police in the UK and overseas. There are bad apples everywhere, the same way I could go to the supermarket and be treated rudely by an assistant. Obviously the difference when an officer acts this way is they are in an authoritative role which makes matters worse;

a) because people don't like being told what to do (That's just human nature).

b) in order to gain compliance they often have to use a level of force. Again people don't like that.

Personally I always give people a positive experience when dealing with the police. Often people have very limited interactions with officers and they'll form their entire opinion on ALL police based on that one traffic stop they had several months ago. Obviously as touched on it can be very difficult going from one incident of extreme, say being compassionate at a death to then dealing with a drunk person who won't listen and is creating problems. People are human, cops are human - it would be pretty grim if it wasn't that way.
 
@KirkDuyt first of all, well thought out post. A lot of truth in what you said, and as @afrocentricity mentioned, you seem to be a pretty understanding guy if those officers came at you like that right off the bat.

Just wanted to let you know, as I’m not sure what, if anything, you were charged with...but you can also get a DUI on a bicycle. At least here, not sure if it’s the same as where you are. Just a heads up :)
 
Skizzo said:
@KirkDuyt first of all, well thought out post. A lot of truth in what you said, and as @afrocentricity mentioned, you seem to be a pretty understanding guy if those officers came at you like that right off the bat.

Just wanted to let you know, as I’m not sure what, if anything, you were charged with...but you can also get a DUI on a bicycle. At least here, not sure if it’s the same as where you are. Just a heads up :)
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They wrote me up for that, but after having spend the night in a cell they tore up the ticket saying they were sure I had learned my lesson. I also had a conversation with the officers that arrested me which I think may have cleared the air a bit.

Unless you're being a danger to other people on the road or very loud, cops here usually don't bother you on a bicycle. It's pretty much the only way to get around when you go to a pub, so.
 
heres the full video



so the girl passes the breathalyzer and the dickhead cops still give her a citation

then he decides to arrest her because she doesnt want to give him her last name

he then tackles her, pulls her hair and then punches her in the head multiple times

only then after they assaulted her and arrested her in front of her daughter does she spit at them




this is the moment he says to her "you're about to get dropped"

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so glad we have these heroes out there protecting us from people having unopened alcohol on the beach. the police in this country are completely out of control. they are enabled by their fellow officers who look the other way, lie to protect them and the bootlickers like mike who justify literally anything
 
Patiently waits for Mike to explain how NJ beach laws work regarding unopened alcohol and how the police are within their rights to assault a girl like that.
 
Mike Schatner said:
:lol::lol::lol:

Usually two sides to every story. Got to love the world we live in when people with agendas go bonkers over every video they see without the full picture.
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Mike Schatner said:
Oh its very relevant. It explains why she wouldn't give her name and it gives you a little insight into the type of person she is.

She wasn't even getting a citation until she mouthed off. Then she refused to give her name, which is also an offense in NJ. Then she resisted arrest and to top it off she spat at the officer. If she spat in his face while they struggled on the ground it changes the entire narrative.

The girl has even back tracked and admitted she was wrong.
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Mike Schatner said:
There are two problems with most of these type of recorded incidents: firstly we rarely get the entire story or video of everything that happened, and secondly the people posting them already have agendas they want to pedal. That results in a warped narrative and people end up entrenched in the way they want to see the incident.
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we've got the full story now bitch
 
Eboue said:
the police in this country are completely out of control. they are enabled by their fellow officers who look the other way, lie to protect them...
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Agreed. And until such time as their fellow officers stand up for what’s right & call out the asshole cops then I don’t hold much hope for any improvement.
 
MJJ said:
Also, the audio going off at times is a bit dodgy. Does that normally happen?
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I thought maybe it was to protect her name but it is weird for sure. Think there was a point where he switched off the cam too but maybe it is just edited for the video.
 
$4? Quite the insult.
As for how the man put the gun in his back pocket after he got shot - I’d like to hear the answer to that one.
 
Maxii said:
They released the body cam footage of the beach arrest.

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That is dreadful. Complete lack of people skills. Cop goes from 1-100 and totally loses his cool.

The incident was so low level and gets totally blown out of proportion. Absolutely no need. Yes she's cocky but just speak to her and sort it out. Could have all been avoided in my opinion.
 
You can actually hear a touch of what sounds like excitement in his voice when he says “you’re about to get dropped”. And then he sounds like he’s panicking a bit when explaining what happened to the other officers.
 
What was he doing the breath test for anyway??

What, it's against the law to be pissed on a beach in the US???
 
The standard of police officers in that country is shocking. They think they're cowboys.
 
jderbyshire said:
What was he doing the breath test for anyway??

What, it's against the law to be pissed on a beach in the US???
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They have these stupid open container laws everywhere. I've been all over Italy walking around with locals drinking beers openly and enjoying themselves with no trouble.

Land of the free, my arse.
 
Yeah there's no chance that officer didn't do that for his personal enjoyment. Disgusting. His fellow officer is just as bad for not trying to deescalate the situation at all. What are the chances this officer is a "incel" ?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-woman-beach-punched-new-jersey-emily-weinman
They've been put on "administrative duty" for now. Lets hope that is administering tooth brushes to toiled bowls.
 
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Maxii said:
They released the body cam footage of the beach arrest.

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A lot of cops in America are shitbag cowards. Twisted fecking tea, they treated that situation like she was smoking meth on the beach. He also told her not to make a scene and then does that. The admission at the end though " so I hit her a couple of times". fecking coward, no wonder he's on beach patrol and not out catching real criminals.
 
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