This is not always true. Each officer is responsible for each shot fired, but that doesn’t mean each one is a different single decision and action. You shoot until you no longer perceive a threat. Very rarely do you find an incident where, in the immediate defense of life, someone shoots, asseses, shoots, assesses, until the threat is stopped.
And you don’t know what each officer’s thought process and perception was in choosing to stop or not.
Right. And as I said if any one of the officers began to shoot when person is on the ground, or deliberately and willfully continued shooting (and not as a time lag in physiological response) then that individual officer will have been out of policy.A punch is similar, except it usually takes longer between each action. Yet, if you go too far it's no longer self defense.
Perception is also not enough, it has to be at least somewhat reasonable. If you think a knocked-out person is a threat then you,re wrong, and it will not be self-defense. If you think a person lying on the ground with multiple gunshot wounds is a threat then you're wrong. At least if you're not an American cop.
Yeah, it does. I just glanced through it. Deleting.I'm confused, the article literally says the opposite.
What a pussy…
just like people are wanting to defund the police and put them in a position of exposure to harm? Stick cameras in their face trying to entice them into confrontation?
it works both ways....but only one side recognizes that
Kids have been fighting back
B- for effortListen guys, those so called “kids” had bats in their hand earlier and they were swinging them hard. The sergeant had no way of knowing the bats were “left in the dugout” and obviously felt in danger. Completely justified. They brought in on themselves.
True, and I likely put more effort into that than his department will put in disciplining him.B- for effort
The goal of defending the police is to reduce exposure to harm and its a fairly niche position anyway. Cameras aren't confrontations as much as protection in case cops invent their own confrontation.
I don't see much evidence that US police see themselves as anything other than divine protectors who are above the law and deserving of unlimited support and authority.
This.Seen that video yesterday. What stellar parenting.
Kids have been fighting back
that's why laws were just passed that you can't be within 8 feet of police using video cameras simply b/c it's a form of confrontation and invading personal space
Agreed. How long till we see cops walking up to and saying “within 8 feet, you’re under arrest” to stop filming.I doubt that's why it was passed. Given the current political environment in America, I imagine it was passed to prevent someone recording police abusing their power.
100% it was this. Silly to think otherwise.I doubt that's why it was passed. Given the current political environment in America, I imagine it was passed to prevent someone recording police abusing their power.
What the feck? Why even pull your gun out there?
NSFW/NSFL
What the feck? Why even pull your gun out there?
A direct throwback to my previous point while I was using British SFOs as an example. If a cop can't be trained long or well enough, or if a cop can't pass regular and thorough evaluations for fitness of service, carrying a gun in service should be out of the question.Perfect example that they have no proper training at all. They are not fit to carry guns, period.
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/07/17/20th-larimer-police-shooting/
Denver police injure 5 bystanders in LoDo while shooting man who allegedly pointed gun at officers
Suspect shot by police, Jordan Waddy, 21, was arrested on suspicion of felony menacing
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/07/17/20th-larimer-police-shooting/
Denver police injure 5 bystanders in LoDo while shooting man who allegedly pointed gun at officers
Suspect shot by police, Jordan Waddy, 21, was arrested on suspicion of felony menacing
After witnessing an altercation involving Waddy and two other men outside Larimer Beer Hall, at 2012 Larimer St., one officer reported that Waddy grabbed at his waistband and said he “lifted up his hoody as though he was armed with a handgun,” according to the document.
Several officers approached Waddy, according to the probable cause statement, and he began walking away. An officer reported seeing Waddy reach into his waistband again “in a motion consistent with pulling out a firearm,” according to the document. One of the officers at that point said Waddy had a gun, according to the statement
So they thought he had a gun so just went wild and unloaded at him, shooting 5 bystanders in the process.
I mean for feck sake.
On an unrelated note I had the best burrito of my life in LoDo.
They all could have been carrying so sounds justified.
I'll be there in 2 weeks. What restaurant (I'll be in and out before the late night shenanigans happen)?
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/07/17/20th-larimer-police-shooting/
Denver police injure 5 bystanders in LoDo while shooting man who allegedly pointed gun at officers
Suspect shot by police, Jordan Waddy, 21, was arrested on suspicion of felony menacing
Probably in the background of the suspect.How in the world can you shoot at 5 bystanders? That was just abysmal, and it's a miracle that no one has been killed. Regardless, those guys do not deserve to be anywhere near back on the job with guns any time soon.
Thanks. I used to live in Denver (lived in Colorado from 1990-2001) but it's changed so much I hardly recognize it.Illegal Pete’s, on 16th.
Have you been to Denver before? If not make sure you check out Terminal Bar at Union Station, the Old Fashioneds and Manhattan’s in there are superb, and also the Cruise Room (think that’s the name) at the Oxford Hotel.
If you’re after a fancier dining option, Guard & Grace was incredible.
For breakfast Snooze or Sam’s No.3 are both great.
Police on those cities live on extreme stress because they get shot and killed all the time, they could have more police but that would be against the defunct agenda. I live in US for more than 30 years, I look Spanish but I'm Portuguese, stopped by police several times because I was speeding, stop sign, etc. Never harassed by them and by the time they arrive on my window I have my documents in my hand, speak with them respectfully and even if in the beginning they are a bit "aggressive" they change the tune, 2 times I forgot my wallet - driver's license and wasn't a problem I gave my name they checked on the computer if the car/truck was stolen and they let me go without a ticket. I was younger back them now I'm almost 60 and only got a ticket this year for passing a red light (was yellow to red) but I didn't make any issue and got the ticket. That's the problem with a lot of people, they screw up on the road and they get mad when police stop them, people need to be responsible for their acts.How in the world can you shoot at 5 bystanders? That was just abysmal, and it's a miracle that no one has been killed. Regardless, those guys do not deserve to be anywhere near back on the job with guns any time soon.
That's the problem with a lot of people, they screw up on the road and they get mad when police stop them, people need to be responsible for their acts.
Oh dear.Police on those cities live on extreme stress because they get shot and killed all the time, they could have more police but that would be against the defunct agenda. I live in US for more than 30 years, I look Spanish but I'm Portuguese, stopped by police several times because I was speeding, stop sign, etc. Never harassed by them and by the time they arrive on my window I have my documents in my hand, speak with them respectfully and even if in the beginning they are a bit "aggressive" they change the tune, 2 times I forgot my wallet - driver's license and wasn't a problem I gave my name they checked on the computer if the car/truck was stolen and they let me go without a ticket. I was younger back them now I'm almost 60 and only got a ticket this year for passing a red light (was yellow to red) but I didn't make any issue and got the ticket. That's the problem with a lot of people, they screw up on the road and they get mad when police stop them, people need to be responsible for their acts.
No disrespect, but this is not an absolution to the fact that the motto "To protect and serve" is supposed to mean something when a police officer is trained and signs the contract for the job.Police on those cities live on extreme stress because they get shot and killed all the time, they could have more police but that would be against the defunct agenda. I live in US for more than 30 years, I look Spanish but I'm Portuguese, stopped by police several times because I was speeding, stop sign, etc. Never harassed by them and by the time they arrive on my window I have my documents in my hand, speak with them respectfully and even if in the beginning they are a bit "aggressive" they change the tune, 2 times I forgot my wallet - driver's license and wasn't a problem I gave my name they checked on the computer if the car/truck was stolen and they let me go without a ticket. I was younger back them now I'm almost 60 and only got a ticket this year for passing a red light (was yellow to red) but I didn't make any issue and got the ticket. That's the problem with a lot of people, they screw up on the road and they get mad when police stop them, people need to be responsible for their acts.
