Cop in America doing a bad job, again

[NLunited]

Not to be calling undue attention to the fact that the police officers were black, but I’ve never seen quick action like this against white police officers.

Besides from white supremacists in the police force, the big problem is the lack of training, accountability, oversight and rules for police officers. It is very difficult in the current system to hold them accountable.

The solution is to reform, not defund.

 

[bosskeano]

A riot is a legitimate response to some things. We'll see about this one, but they've basically primed it to happen already so it has to be really bad.

a riot is never an legitimate response to anything....that's just foolish

 

[bosskeano]

Not to be calling undue attention to the fact that the police officers were black, but I’ve never seen quick action like this against white police officers.

Besides from white supremacists in the police force, the big problem is the lack of training, accountability, oversight and rules for police officers. It is very difficult in the current system to hold them accountable.

The solution is to reform, not defund.

The Black Chief saw the video and acted immediately....tells you it must have been pretty bad

 

[nimic]

a riot is never an legitimate response to anything....that's just foolish

Do I really need to start listing historical hypotheticals until I find the point where you too agree that a riot would be a legitimate response? Because I guarantee you'll get there.

 

[bosskeano]

Do I really need to start listing historical hypotheticals until I find the point where you too agree that a riot would be a legitimate response? Because I guarantee you'll get there.

you wouldn't condone a riot if you were store owner who's lifetime of work was torn apart in one night after having your store looted and burned to the ground

 

[choiboyx012]

you wouldn't condone a riot if you were store owner who's lifetime of work was torn apart in one night after having your store looted and burned to the ground

But insurance can cover all that. So they should just accept it.

 

[Rado_N]

That’s definitely where the focus should be right now.

 

[Withnail]

a riot is never an legitimate response to anything....that's just foolish

A blanket statement that a riot is not a legitimate response to anything is what I consider to be foolish.

 

[bosskeano]

But insurance can cover all that. So they should just accept it.

come on....it's not even close to the same. Go through that just one time and you would 1000% change your mind

what should happen simply is the cops should be prosecuted and convicted for murder if that is what they did....rioting absolutely solves NOTHING. It just gives people, who were not involved at all, a reason to act like criminals.

 

[nimic]

you wouldn't condone a riot if you were store owner who's lifetime of work was torn apart in one night after having your store looted and burned to the ground

So you're sticking to the line that a riot is never a legitimate response to anything?

 

[bosskeano]

A blanket statement that a riot is not a legitimate response to anything is what I consider to be foolish.

you think a riot where they burn down buildings, trash and loot stores is a legit response?

 

[Red in STL]

But insurance can cover all that. So they should just accept it.

Are you going to pay for the extra cost of that insurance?

Protest is fine but these days they're always hijacked by people with a different agenda, riots rarely achieve much if anything

 

[bosskeano]

Are you going to pay for the extra cost of that insurance?

Protest is fine but these days they're always hijacked by people with a different agenda, riots rarely achieve much if anything

no they achieve EXACTLY what some people want....the opportunity to steal things they can't afford or won't purchase and the anonymity to burn and create chaos

 

[NLunited]

A blanket statement that a riot is not a legitimate response to anything is what I consider to be foolish.

You can think of good reasons for a riot, but riots solve nothing. All it does is alienate everyone from the cause.

Protests should be peaceful, and protesting allowed not struck down.

 

[choiboyx012]

come on....it's not even close to the same. Go through that just one time and you would 1000% change your mind

what should happen simply is the cops should be prosecuted and convicted for murder if that is what they did....rioting absolutely solves NOTHING. It just gives people, who were not involved at all, a reason to act like criminals.

I was being facetious

 

[nimic]

You can think of good reasons for a riot, but riots solve nothing. All it does is alienate everyone from the cause.

Protests should be peaceful, and protesting allowed not struck down.

What if the protest starts out as peaceful, but not allowed and/or is violently suppressed? Is rioting justified then, or should everyone just say "oh well I guess they won this one" and go home?

 

[NLunited]

What if the protest starts out as peaceful, but not allowed and/or is violently suppressed? Is rioting justified then, or should everyone just say "oh well I guess they won this one" and go home?

I clearly said protesting should be allowed.

During the BLM protests there indeed was suppression, terror and violence against the protesters. Some perpetrated by incognito mercenaries jumping from unmarked vehicles. Thanks to Trump.

 

[Red in STL]

What if the protest starts out as peaceful, but not allowed and/or is violently suppressed? Is rioting justified then, or should everyone just say "oh well I guess they won this one" and go home?

Peaceful protest is a legal right, violent suppression isn't as is a violent response to it

2 wrongs don't make a right and 2 rights don't make a wrong

 

[nimic]

I clearly said protesting should be allowed.

I know, but what if it isn't?

 

[Red in STL]

I know, but what if it isn't?

Then you don't live in a democracy

 

[nimic]

Then you don't live in a democracy

And then?

 

[Withnail]

you think a riot where they burn down buildings, trash and loot stores is a legit response?

Is that what I said?

 

[Withnail]

You can think of good reasons for a riot, but riots solve nothing. All it does is alienate everyone from the cause.

Protests should be peaceful, and protesting allowed not struck down.

That's not always how things go. The world is not a Utopia.

 

[Red in STL]

That's not always how things go. The world is not a Utopia.

Not it isn't but that doesn't legitimize a riot

 

[Red in STL]

And then?

Riot in a non-democracy and you're likely to end up dead or in a Gulag

In a democracy there is legal recourse

 

[Withnail]

Not it isn't but that doesn't legitimize a riot

So if a peaceful protest is violently suppressed, everyone should calmly walk away like good little boys and girls.

Anyway this is quite off-topic but imo there are situations, extreme as they may be, where otherwise unpalatable actions are legitimate.

 

[nimic]

I'm glad so many of you seem to live in a black and white world where everything is simple, but that doesn't work for me.

 

[Beachryan]

Not quite sure a riot is ever a 'good' response to anything. I mean, do you go with something like the French revolution?

Certainly in this circumstance a riot is going to achieve the sum product of f*ck all. American policing is broken for a multitude of reasons, as has been discussed in this very thread. Training being the largest, but also recruitment, standards and so forth.

The five f*ctards that did this have been fired, and are being charged through the legal system. There was no cover up, there is no systemic protection, there is only a horrific act done by horrific people and hopefully personal consequences for them.

For me a riot in this case would just be an excuse for those with ulterior motives and causes to get media attention. And if there is a riot, people will likely get hurt, and likely die.

 

[MarylandMUFan]

I'm glad so many of you seem to live in a black and white world where everything is simple, but that doesn't work for me.

I actually agree with you that sometimes, a riot may be the only option to get people to take notice: Are Riots Effective? 9 Times Violent Demonstration Changed American Politics (bustle.com)

 

[nimic]

Not quite sure a riot is ever a 'good' response to anything. I mean, do you go with something like the French revolution?

Certainly in this circumstance a riot is going to achieve the sum product of f*ck all. American policing is broken for a multitude of reasons, as has been discussed in this very thread. Training being the largest, but also recruitment, standards and so forth.

The five f*ctards that did this have been fired, and are being charged through the legal system. There was no cover up, there is no systemic protection, there is only a horrific act done by horrific people and hopefully personal consequences for them.

For me a riot in this case would just be an excuse for those with ulterior motives and causes to get media attention. And if there is a riot, people will likely get hurt, and likely die.

I didn't say good for a reason, I said legitimate. If a riot is ever legitimate, the situation is already very bad (or if it isn't legitimate, honestly). A riot is many things, but I think it's wrong to ever only think of one as "just an excuse". Riots, for good or bad or just okay reasons, never happen without a cause.

 

[nimic]

I actually agree with you that sometimes, a riot may be the only option to get people to take notice: Are Riots Effective? 9 Times Violent Demonstration Changed American Politics (bustle.com)

Interesting article! I hadn't thought of the Boston Tea Party as one, but of course it kinda was. And the Stonewall riots are a very good example of one that even had an ultimately good outcome (which is rarely the case, even if it's for a legitimate cause).

 

[Red in STL]

I actually agree with you that sometimes, a riot may be the only option to get people to take notice: Are Riots Effective? 9 Times Violent Demonstration Changed American Politics (bustle.com)

Look at the 9 listed, not sure that some of the more recent ones really changed anything

 

[Rado_N]

On the whole “a riot is never an legitimate response” bullshit, listen to this lady IN FULL:



And then STFU.

 

[NLunited]

To name an example of a legitimate reason for a riot: what if the Jan 6 insurrection had succeeded? Pence could have folded, and Trump could have never transferred power?

That would be a valid reason for Americans to riot, to thwart a coup.

 

[Red in STL]

To name an example of a legitimate reason for a riot: what if the Jan 6 insurrection had succeeded? Pence could have folded, and Trump could have never transferred power?

That would be a valid reason for Americans to riot, to thwart a coup.

I'm not sure that kind of response would be classed as a riot, that would be more like a revolution, the military response to such an event would be interesting given Trump's support in the rank and file

 

[nimic]

On the whole “a riot is never an legitimate response” bullshit, listen to this lady IN FULL:



And then STFU.

Martin Luther King said that a riot was the language of the unheard, but today all everyone "knows" about MLK is that he was a mild moderate who everyone liked. He definitely did not like riots at all, but he sure as shit thought they could be legitimate reactions to events.

To name an example of a legitimate reason for a riot: what if the Jan 6 insurrection had succeeded? Pence could have folded, and Trump could have never transferred power?

That would be a valid reason for Americans to riot, to thwart a coup.

That's a good example, and it sort of mirrors the one I was going to present if anyone ever actually responded to my questions about their absolute view on riots as never legitimate for any reason. What if Germans had rioted on March 24th 1933, after the passing of the Enabling Act, which basically made Hitler a dictator? It might not accomplish anything, or almost certainly wouldn't, but it sure as shit would be a legitimate response (even if some innocent shop-owners would lose their businesses).

 

[dinostar77]

So the whole incident is going to be released over 4 videos on youtube tonight (usa time).

This sounds like a powderkeg thats going to go nuclear...

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/27/us/tyre-nichols-memphis-friday/index.html

 

[calodo2003]

 

[bosskeano]

To name an example of a legitimate reason for a riot: what if the Jan 6 insurrection had succeeded? Pence could have folded, and Trump could have never transferred power?

That would be a valid reason for Americans to riot, to thwart a coup.

come on...that wasn't a riot and to call it an insurrection is media politicizing because clearly there was no coup happening and no one was attacking the white house or trying to overthrow the gov't. It's also playing the What if game.

 

[calodo2003]

come on...that wasn't a riot and to call it an insurrection is media politicizing because clearly there was no coup happening and no one was attacking the white house or trying to overthrow the gov't. It's also playing the What if game.