Cop in America doing a bad job, again

Raoul said:
150-200k still isn't enough given that the average cost of a home in LA is 950k. So either most people are renting or they got into a house a decade ago when great recession recovery prices were very low.
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Next to none of them live in the city they police anyway, which is a big part of the overall problem.

In LA there was a disproportionate part of the LAPD that lived in Santa Clarita, Palmdale, Victorville, etc. In those places that level of pay goes about as far as you’d expect it to in most parts of the country. Still LA county, but not in LAPD jurisdiction.

As an officer in this situation, you’re paid a rate based on the cost of living in the city you work in, but you take all those funds outside the city and pay taxes elsewhere and have no reason to be invested in the city you police because you don’t live there.
 
forevrared said:
Next to none of them live in the city they police anyway, which is a big part of the overall problem.

In LA there was a disproportionate part of the LAPD that lived in Santa Clarita, Palmdale, Victorville, etc. In those places that level of pay goes about as far as you’d expect it to in most parts of the country. Still LA county, but not in LAPD jurisdiction.

As an officer in this situation, you’re paid a rate based on the cost of living in the city you work in, but you take all those funds outside the city and pay taxes elsewhere and have no reason to be invested in the city you police because you don’t live there.
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My point is that wages are outpaced by rises in the cost of living, so even if someone is paid what appears to be a good salary in most other parts of the country, its not enough in LA - and by LA, I mean Inland Empire to Ventura to OC. An average home in Riverside starts at over 600k, which would be steep for any cop. This isn't a law enforcement issue, its a cost of living one that applies to everyone in and around LA, SF, OC and elsewhere.
 
choiboyx012 said:
In California it is pretty accurate. 70k was the starting pay over 10 years ago for new recruits. Top step pay in many departments is 100-140k, and even higher for specialized assignments like SWAT, K9, field training officers, motors. Then when you add in OT, you’re looking at 150-200k+.
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How long do you need to be in the job to qualify for those higher rates? I know in Victoria it takes ten years (or thirteen?) to qualify for the top band of payment.

Also, that isn't a universal figure across America is it? It seems that the US has a convoluted payment system that varies across states and districts.
 
forevrared said:
Next to none of them live in the city they police anyway, which is a big part of the overall problem.

In LA there was a disproportionate part of the LAPD that lived in Santa Clarita, Palmdale, Victorville, etc. In those places that level of pay goes about as far as you’d expect it to in most parts of the country. Still LA county, but not in LAPD jurisdiction.

As an officer in this situation, you’re paid a rate based on the cost of living in the city you work in, but you take all those funds outside the city and pay taxes elsewhere and have no reason to be invested in the city you police because you don’t live there.
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Policing where you live is fraught with danger.

Imagine going about your daily business and running into someone you've dealt with in a work capacity. Or worse yet, someone spotting you without you realising it.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
How long do you need to be in the job to qualify for those higher rates? I know in Victoria it takes ten years (or thirteen?) to qualify for the top band of payment.

Also, that isn't a universal figure across America is it? It seems that the US has a convoluted payment system that varies across states and districts.
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Varies by department but average about 5-7 years for top step pay. The figures i quoted are just for California, which is known to be the highest paying.
 
Dargonk said:
It says a lot about the American police system and the level of protection they give themselves, that even in this situation I think the only reason they got done so quickly was because they couldn't control the CCTV video. That part is just clear murder, which can not be hidden. The man is defenceless and out of it, yet is still kicked in the head and held up to be hit. If it was just the blurry body cams of this part, I wouldn't have put it past them to just sweep it under the rug.

From how they talked about it after, and the total lack of reaction as other officers arrived and saw them/heard them talking about it, it is clearly something that this police department has done before. Whether the previous victims survived or the evidence wasn't there unlike this case, its clear that the behaviour is normal for them.
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To get back on topic. The sheer brutality aside, this was the most telling thing about the incident. They’re all on video, they all know they’re on video, and they still don’t care about how they’re conducting themselves. I just recently learned that this is one of their specialized crime-suppression units. It’s as if these gangland hoodstyle extrajudicial beatings are regular occurrences with them. That speaks volumes of the department as a whole if in 2023 this kind of behavior is unchecked up the chain of command. Most officers with bodycams would be scared to fart the wrong way, let alone talk the way they did during and after the beating.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Policing where you live is fraught with danger.

Imagine going about your daily business and running into someone you've dealt with in a work capacity. Or worse yet, someone spotting you without you realising it.
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Everyone else in society can easily imagine this because it’s the definition of being part of a community. It’s how we live our lives.
 
forevrared said:
Everyone else in society can easily imagine this because it’s the definition of being part of a community. It’s how we live our lives.
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What are you on about? What an ignorant comment.

Running into someone you have previously arrested or issued a fine to is not ideal. It's a needless risk.

I know of stories of people being recognised and then followed home without realising it. Only for their homes to be targeted later.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
What are you on about? What an ignorant comment.

Running into someone you have previously arrested or issued a fine to is not ideal. It's a needless risk.

I know of stories of people being recognised and then followed home without realising it. Only for their homes to be targeted later.
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Now imagine that fear that someone may try and harass or kill you while there’s nothing you can do and nowhere you can run is what you feel every time you see a police officer. That’s a reality for a large percentage of Americans. Plenty have not lived to tell the tale.

Yet you cry crocodile tears about even the implication that a cop is made to feel uncomfortable by living in even the same city. Give me a break.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
What are you on about? What an ignorant comment.

Running into someone you have previously arrested or issued a fine to is not ideal. It's a needless risk.

I know of stories of people being recognised and then followed home without realising it. Only for their homes to be targeted later.
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My sister got run over by someone she'd arrested so yeah definitely a danger. Attacked on two other occasions whilst out of uniform as well.
 
Smores said:
My sister got run over by someone she'd arrested so yeah definitely a danger. Attacked on two other occasions whilst out of uniform as well.
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Nah it's all part of living in society or something
 
forevrared said:
Now imagine that fear that someone may try and harass or kill you while there’s nothing you can do and nowhere you can run is what you feel every time you see a police officer. That’s a reality for a large percentage of Americans. Plenty have not lived to tell the tale.

Yet you cry crocodile tears about even the implication that a cop is made to feel uncomfortable by living in even the same city. Give me a break.
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Crocodile tears? Christ, what are you even talking about?

You made a ridiculously ignorant comment. It's simply not a good idea to live where you work, if you are a Police Officer, for painfully obvious reasons.

This has absolutely nothing to do with those Officers that do or have done the wrong thing.

You obvious don't know what you're talking about here.
 
nimic said:
Maybe police officers being afraid of living where they work is part of the issue.

Seems to be working fine in many other places.
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How is it part of the issue, and what issue are we talking about here?
 
Not sure I have the mental health to even attempt to read the last few pages of this thread.
Just hope justice is brought accordingly, and this sets a precedent for disciplining officers going forward.
 
calodo2003 said:
Happened a few years ago apparently, but i hooe the family received a nice settlement...

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Not yet they haven't according to this guy in the replies:



I found an article about it too. They have it all on video. This is ridiculous:

A disciplinary investigation into the actions of two Carpentersville police officers, who were seen on video entering a home without a warrant and choking a boy inside, did not find substantiated evidence of misconduct, village attorney Brad Stewart said.
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https://www.shawlocal.com/2019/09/1...home-without-warrant-choked-teenager/a3y42z4/
 
My "theory" is that law enforcement organizations in america are extremely corrupt and have actually became a cartel organization just like Mexican cartels or far right large militias (yeah, they pretend to be saviours of the nation but they sell guns and drugs just like any other cartel). The power available is huge and the funding is also huge, probably the most "rich" police force all over the world.
This is the only way to explain the amount of people with ASD that get selected to become a cop. Those kind of persons are needed in a criminal organization: they are fearless and they are remorseless for those who stand in their way.

A lot of problems would probably be solved with soft skills, but due to the profile selected, those kind of cops will get bored if they didn't kicked someone's teeth inside their stomach that day.
 
André Dominguez said:
My "theory" is that law enforcement organizations in america are extremely corrupt and have actually became a cartel organization just like Mexican cartels or far right large militias (yeah, they pretend to be saviours of the nation but they sell guns and drugs just like any other cartel). The power available is huge and the funding is also huge, probably the most "rich" police force all over the world.
This is the only way to explain the amount of people with ASD that get selected to become a cop. Those kind of persons are needed in a criminal organization: they are fearless and they are remorseless for those who stand in their way.

A lot of problems would probably be solved with soft skills, but due to the profile selected, those kind of cops will get bored if they didn't kicked someone's teeth inside their stomach that day.
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It's not that deep.

They police a country with a shit ton of guns so have adapted to that by having draconian policies for their own protection, then their rank and file are all the sorts of people who will risk it because of a lack of opportunity elsewhere or draw to the role.

Most people with any sense left in recent years after Chauvin so you have a lot of low iq and inexperienced police with aggressive policies within a culture of needing to dominate the detainee, and incredibly powerful police unions protecting them.

The rest is just the same institutional protectionism you see everywhere.
 
Thinking it's reasonable to tell someone to show you their hands after you've just shot them 11 times is remarkable.
 
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Too many Americans seem to just be waiting for the opportunity to kill someone. Most of them just dream about a home invasion where they can be the hero, but some of them become police too.
 
nimic said:
Too many Americans seem to just be waiting for the opportunity to kill someone. Most of them just dream about a home invasion where they can be the hero, but some of them become police too.
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Yep. All my gun owning brothers and sisters soak the bed with nightly wet dreams of reenacting John Wick. The only reason to own a handgun is because you have an innate desire to kill.
 
It is not a problem that can be solved, because the only oversight is from local authorities, and they are stronger than local authorities



See also how they targeted De Blasio's daughter and he, probably the most powerful mayor in the world, responded by praising them more.
 
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