Danny Welbeck
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no you're a prize tit for hating him for no reason.
Indeed.
Other than not rating him or his attitude.
Anyway I'm going to leave this thread now, and if it turns out that he makes it I will quite happily admit I was wrong, however if i'm proved right I expect some of you to do the same.
Are you really still going to be here when a judgement regarding whether Welbeck has made it or not can be made?
Why do otherwise normal posters turn in to a complete retard in individual threads?
Imo Welbeck is a extremely talented player.Has bit of class about him.
You can compare him to how Nani has been for us until recently.
If he sorts out the decision making and all,he will be a one hell of a player.
You can compare him to how Nani has been for us until recently.
If he sorts out the decision making and all,he will be a one hell of a player.
We should have a semi classic forum for gems like these.
I think his decision making more often then not is fine. It's difficult when your a striker playing on the wing because you want to score goals. If he was up top, someone passes him the ball and he shoots people will say that's not bad
When your a winger and you do that, people mention decisions.
Danny can be a tad selfish BUT he's a striker. Someone that can finish moves off and the best ones usually are selfish. When he's on song he's very good and this loan move will be interesting
They won't play him on the wing, so it's up to him to get the goals and that chipped efforts a good start for him.
When your a winger and you do that, people mention decisions.
Danny can be a tad selfish BUT he's a striker. Someone that can finish moves off and the best ones usually are selfish. When he's on song he's very good and this loan move will be interesting
They won't play him on the wing, so it's up to him to get the goals and that chipped efforts a good start for him.
I can't see that door turning both ways. If he doesn't make it, should I say that he was a classless twat who never could make it and I was wrong in believing that he could? That a player doesn't make it isn't equal to that he never had the talent to do it. I thought Mads Timm could make it. The fact that he didn't doesn't mean that everyone that said he couldn't make it was right, he still could've.
I rate Welbeck from what I've seen, just don't think he will turn out to be a world class superstar. I think he may reach the level of someone like Darren Bent, i.e. a solid Premier League goalscorer that you can rely on to provide a certain number of goals all season long, every year, without being particularly brilliant at anything.
I think that's where all the doubts come from - people expect every single United player to be heads and shoulders about anyone else in their age category, like Rooney and Ronaldo were, but that's not going to happen.
I think that's where all the doubts come from - people expect every single United player to be heads and shoulders about anyone else in their age category, like Rooney and Ronaldo were, but that's not going to happen.
Yeah, I think that's a good call. But even Darren Bent would be an asset to the United squad. He just would not starting the big games unless there were injuries.
That was a nice goal.
I think a player like Bent (or Defoe, who is better than him but still in a similar bracket in my view) would be great for United. He wouldn't win us games the way Ronaldo or Rooney have done, but would nevertheless make us stronger. Especially now.
I believe that unless Wellbeck pushes on and proves himself next season then he's truly fecked. Most players that show his potential are thrown by the wayside if they don't improve vastly within a few years. The expectations are ridiculous, and soon he could find himself stuck at a lower club because he couldn't develop quick enough, which in itself is appalling. People develop at different times, that's just common fact.
Even Cold Boy rates him
surely thats further proof
You can tell some players are extremely talented by just looking at them play.
Just like Nani,who has all the talent in the world but hasn't made full use of it yet.
Agreed. For me his consistency (especially in his touch), his awareness and his decision making are still too poor at his age for him to have a chance of making it at United.
The lad obviously shows a lot of quality in certain situations but i can't help but feel that the weaknesses he shows are the most difficult for footballers to overcome. I'm not sure if he will ever fix them.
Being "stuck at a lower club" could still involve being paid tens of thousands every week. Not exactly being "truly fecked".
That was a brilliant goal.
I think that if we produce a British striker as good as Bent or Defoe, we will keep him at the club for a good few years. We made mistake with Rossi when we let him go to Villarreal but we won't do anything like that with Welbeck.
I thought Campbell could have been the one, but he never really showed that much potential. I don't know how he's been doing at Sunderland but his wikipedia says that he is yet to score a league goal for them and he struggled at Tottenham last season as well. I think Welbeck is better than that.
Perhaps he may not be first choice but he will be here nevertheless, that's what I think. If not, he will probably have a decent Premier League career unless he goes completely out of radar and fails to develop entirely, which I think will not happen.
Well, in football terms it is. When you've been at a club like United and then play at the likes of Wigan and Sunderland for the rest of your career, you are bound to feel some regret.
Strange how peoples initial excitedness over a player can completely cloud their judgement and turn to complete disappointment when he doesnt become a superstar overnight. If this was a lad who hadnt played for our first team people would be saying he looks like a good prospect and could become a very good player and help the team when he comes back from his loan but instead some are writing him off even though he has only turned 19 which is completely ridiculous. This is a lad who has had a fair few injury problems and has had problems with growing pains over the past two years and has still managed to develop enough to be involved in the united first team and shown more than enough quality to suggest he has a big future. Having already shown he is too good for reserve football and scored 6 goals in professional football in only 17 starts at 19 I would say hes ahead of schedule rather than disappointing as some seem to think.
The problem with Rossi is that he wanted to leave for first team football, which we couldn't guarantee. We are not in the business of keeping players against their will.
He wanted to be involved in first team football, that doesnt mean being a starter. Welbeck will want the same thing in the coming years but will be more likely to remain patient or go out on loan to continue to prove and improve himself as a footballer. That is the simple benefit of having British players rather than our young imported players. It may be a long road for Welbeck, but if its a long road for Macheda he's a bit less likely to stay the course.
United boss Sir Alex Ferguson said he tried to persuade Rossi to stay, promising the striker he would be given opportunities at Old Trafford.
But he added: “He wanted to have a go at first-team football. We’ve got a clause in his contract where he could come back to us at some point.”
Take what you want out of that.
I think that, just like Ekeke pointed out, Rossi just wanted to be involved. We could have easily kept him at the club and not bring Tevez in (though I must admit I defended that move at the time and thought we did a good piece of business there), which would effectively save us £3m and give us a player of Rossi quality at the moment. Besides, even with Tevez in the squad there would have still been place for Rossi as Tevez and Rooney were our only strikers during 07/08 campaign.
Welbeck has a tougher way now as there are Rooney, Berbatov and Owen as senior strikers and it looks like Diouf may be on his way to becoming a 4th choice too. Plus there's a certain Italian who may have his claim for a spot in the squad justified sooner or later.
I still think Welbeck has a decent chance of becoming 3rd or 4th choice here though. Owen will leave in a couple of years probably, as will Berbatov (unless he stays longer and agrees to be pushed further in picking order). We will probably buy a striker to pair with Rooney but there will still be spare places in our squad.
Fantastic strike from him, amazing to think he's only 19. He's only going to improve and first team experience at a side like Preston will do him the world of good.
You can't be proved right I'm afraid. Whether he turns out to be good enough or not, hating him because you don't htink he will be will never be right.
So I'm happy to take you up on the terms of your offer.
You're also never going to manage to spin that whole "too busy watching a film to watch a 10 second youtube clip, but plenty of time to make about 20 posts on a forum" thing in such a way that you don't look a prat.
How was his overall play? Was he playing upfront or in the hole was he with a strike partner? I read he was moved the wings and that is when he scored..
If Fergie's backing him to be a top talent - although the exact quote eludes me - then i tend to believe him.
He's shown us on a couple of occasions what he is capable of; let's see how this loan deal unfolds and glean from that the type of player we have.
Very few players breakthrough at 19, even 'superstars' like Scholes and Beckham struggled, so how and why we're judging Wellbeck at such an age is beyond my understanding.
At the end of the day he's got the best manager in the business to correct any attitude issues he may or may not have, and whilst he's clearly got talent and physicality in abundance, i wouldn't bet against him really kicking on from this point.
It's incredibly myopic to judge a player based on his 'inconsistency' at 19 years of age.
He's shown us on a couple of occasions what he is capable of; let's see how this loan deal unfolds and glean from that the type of player we have.
Very few players breakthrough at 19, even 'superstars' like Scholes and Beckham struggled, so how and why we're judging Wellbeck at such an age is beyond my understanding.
At the end of the day he's got the best manager in the business to correct any attitude issues he may or may not have, and whilst he's clearly got talent and physicality in abundance, i wouldn't bet against him really kicking on from this point.
It's incredibly myopic to judge a player based on his 'inconsistency' at 19 years of age.
Just scored at home
Get in.
Another.
Well done Danny Boy
Well done son. Keep on scoring.
and Cleverley scores for Watford as well.
Apparently Welbeck intecepted a back pass for his goal.
Apparently Welbeck intecepted a back pass for his goal.
The problem here, once again, is that we've been absolutely spoilt rotten with the likes of Messi, Rooney, Ronaldo and Fabregas. These 4 are freaks of nature really, and very few players as precociously talented as these come through every generation.
Patience....
Patience....
As long as he score, I do not mind how he did it - the more goals he get the better for his confidence
IF anything that way to score is a bit of a boost, good instinct and good advantage taking.
Good to hear he's 2/2