An unpopular opinion I'm sure but I think Piastri will win before Norris wins. I also don't think it'll be that long before we see Piastri in a bigger team than McLaren.
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An unpopular opinion I'm sure but I think Piastri will win before Norris wins. I also don't think it'll be that long before we see Piastri in a bigger team than McLaren.
The RB in race trim will be stupidly fast. So fast that Perez will take an easy second.
Yeh corrected that.
Think Schumacher Hamilton and Verstappen all have 1 title win as genuine underdogs and the rest in utterly dominant cars.
Their first titles all ended up massively controversial as well.
Kinda spooky how F1 repeats itself.
I would be curious as to your definition of Max as an underdog in 2021, other than Merc’s historical dominance. The Red Bull was the quicker car for the first half of the year, before Merc pulled it back and we’re a shade quicker the second half.
Maybe based on Hamilton having 7 titles to Max having none at that point? But at the same time we could all see Max was absurdly talented and had the necessary killer instinct (and like Michael and Aryton would do anything within the rules and occasionally a bit outside to win)
We’ll he’s been at RB since 16, I’m pretty sure he’s had a hand in that, he also had 10 wins in probably 2/3rd best car on the grid in those years and was best of the rest in the 2 years leading up to his 1st, when it’s come to having the best car on the grid and losing the championship in recent memory that honour goes to Lewis and alonso who conspired to blow the championship that year, more so alonso as he was the senior driver and Lewis was a rookie.
Max is an excelllent driver, but he certainly has not won a world title without having the best car over that season.
Yeah, in 2021 it was a varied season which was great. It was definitely RB early in the season and Mercedes got better in some races that suited them later in the season, but Max had a very good car and couldn't be considered an underdog apart from world titles won.
Was the quicker car in about a third of races but most of the F1 thread got predictably confused by qualifying and race pace. Red Bull set up for qualifying in majority of tracks and couldn’t touch Mercedes on tyre deg in races with high fuel.
Toto said it himself - Max drove a worse car to the maximum and won the title. He’d know better than Merc and Hammy fans.
Agreed max was never the underdog that season.
The FIA changed the rules going into 2021 season to slow mercedes down. it took mercedes until silverstone to catch up to RedBull, but even then it was neck and neck between the cars dependant on the tracks in latter half of the season.
Agreed, any other opinion is just fantasy
Schumacher's greatness is not just for the championships he won. It's what he did in 97, 98 with cars that were FAR slower than the competition, and performances like Monaco in 96 and Sepang in 99 post his broken leg.
Similarly, Max's first win would be in that category if it wasn't for the 2 mercedes cars taking each other out. Max is probably the best on the grid now, but all time great conversations are premature.
EDIT: Also 2003 the Ferrari wasn't the "best car by far" and similarly in 06 (which he lost because of an engine blowout) the Ferrari wasn't nearly as fast as the Renault
I forgot schmacher was disqualified from 97 championship when he tried to take out Jacques Villeneuve ala damon hill in adelaide.
Monaco 96? Schumacher got pole and then deliberately impeded another qualifier on their hot lap, was overtaken and roundly beaten by hill in the race before he spun out of the grand Prix. Maybe you mean another year.
Didnt he get sent to back of grid in 06 at minaco for delibrately stopping in q3 after his hot lap so no one else could post a time?
Spain 96 my bad. One of my first truly vivid F1 memories.
Think that did happen yes.
No different from one Hamilton and Verstappen did this 2 years ago, but F1 is more of a "show" now so it's all allowed.
Schmacher dodgy moments:
94 british gp: Hill won the race with Schumacher second, only for the German to be disqualified for failing to serve a stop-go penalty that was issued on lap 14 of the race when the stewards declared he had overtaken Hill twice on the earlier formation lap.
94 Adelaide gp: cheating fecker
97 European gp: disqualified from championship for trying to adelaide 94 Villeneuve. Only driver in f1 history to be disqualified from a championship btw.
02 Austria gp: got ferrari to swap him and barrichello around on last corner of last lap. Team orders were "banned" after that.
06 monaco gp: as above post
10 hungary gp: tried to kill barrichello by pushing him into a concrete wall at 200mph.
Barrichello said at the time: “I am lucky to be alive. It was a go-kart manoeuvre. If he wants to go to heaven, in the event he is going to heaven, I don’t want to go before him. Thank God, I was lucky the wall finished where it did because I was millimetres from it.”
Basically a all time great driver but also a dirty driver who cheated from time to time.
94 british gp: Hill won the race with Schumacher second, only for the German to be disqualified for failing to serve a stop-go penalty that was issued on lap 14 of the race when the stewards declared he had overtaken Hill twice on the earlier formation lap.
94 Adelaide gp: cheating fecker
97 European gp: disqualified from championship for trying to adelaide 94 Villeneuve. Only driver in f1 history to be disqualified from a championship btw.
02 Austria gp: got ferrari to swap him and barrichello around on last corner of last lap. Team orders were "banned" after that.
06 monaco gp: as above post
10 hungary gp: tried to kill barrichello by pushing him into a concrete wall at 200mph.
Barrichello said at the time: “I am lucky to be alive. It was a go-kart manoeuvre. If he wants to go to heaven, in the event he is going to heaven, I don’t want to go before him. Thank God, I was lucky the wall finished where it did because I was millimetres from it.”
Basically a all time great driver but also a dirty driver who cheated from time to time.
Was allowed in 94 and I can't remember Hamilton or max doing anything as egregious as that in 2021.
I am not sure if anyone is actually discussing about Max's GOAT status except people who are not his biggest fans and are denying him GOAT status from people who aren't even saying he is GOAT?
I think he is excellent, but there is absolutely no need to discuss the GOAT status at all since he is fecking 25, but in five years I am quite sure he will be up there in disucussion. But that's just my opinion, we don't know that yet. But so far he is not, not even close.
I think he is excellent, but there is absolutely no need to discuss the GOAT status at all since he is fecking 25, but in five years I am quite sure he will be up there in disucussion. But that's just my opinion, we don't know that yet. But so far he is not, not even close.
I am not a huge fan of Max, I think he is an excellent driver in an excellent car and yes he is the best driver on the grid right now, but you cant yet put him in GOAT status yet, sorry not even close.
He has to be at the top for a minimum 5 year yet and winning to be even close to GOAT status.
He has a long way to go before he gets close to Lewis and Sch's records, he might well get there and if he does fair play to him, but I have a feeling he my retire from F1 long before he gets close to 7 WC's.
Most of the the other greats have won WC's without having the best car , Max has to do this IMHO
He has to be at the top for a minimum 5 year yet and winning to be even close to GOAT status.
He has a long way to go before he gets close to Lewis and Sch's records, he might well get there and if he does fair play to him, but I have a feeling he my retire from F1 long before he gets close to 7 WC's.
Most of the the other greats have won WC's without having the best car , Max has to do this IMHO
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I’m no Verstappen fan, but clearly he’s one of if not the greatest driver of all time. He eats his teammates alive and doesn’t make mistakes. It’s ok to admit how good he is without actually being a fan of his. A quite remarkable driver.
Toto Wolff: “Last year Max drove a worse car with the knife between his teeth and won the world title. Now he has the fastest car and everything is easier for him.”
Is he just a fantasist then Dino??
Start of Sprint Shootout delayed
No timeframe has been given, which is a reflection of the deluge that is continuing.
It could be a while until the track is ready for a qualifying session, and that's assuming the rain will stop.
No timeframe has been given, which is a reflection of the deluge that is continuing.
It could be a while until the track is ready for a qualifying session, and that's assuming the rain will stop.
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There’s incentive for the team boss though to suggest their car was the best.
Yesterday's Qualifying result likely to set Sprint grid if Sprint Shootout washed out
The FIA say the most likely scenario now is that if the Sprint Shootout cannot take place, then Friday's Qualifying result will set the grid for the Sprint at 3.30pm.
Max Verstappen would be on pole in that case, as his grid penalty only applies to Sunday's Grand Prix.
The FIA adds: 'This would all be pending decision from stewards so is subject to change.'
The FIA say the most likely scenario now is that if the Sprint Shootout cannot take place, then Friday's Qualifying result will set the grid for the Sprint at 3.30pm.
Max Verstappen would be on pole in that case, as his grid penalty only applies to Sunday's Grand Prix.
The FIA adds: 'This would all be pending decision from stewards so is subject to change.'
Sprint Shootout will now start at 11:35
If you ignore 1994 and about two thirds of Schumacher's Ferrari career then yes, 1995 was the only time he didn't have by far the fastest car. And let's forget that in the other years he was the major reason it was by far the fastest car.
2021 will forever be the sports biggest asterisk.
Why cannot they simply start as soon as rain stopped.
Waiting this long to avoid even running inters? What a joke. What's the fun of having wets when you cannot even use them.
They were clearing the rain with sweepers
OK the delay for rain was justified the rain was heavy, but when it stopped just get them out,
Sweeping the track , why ?
After the death the other week I knew the FIA would be like this.
Sweeping the track , why ?
After the death the other week I knew the FIA would be like this.
looks like they are on inters, even after sweeping the track is still wet.
You probably wouldn't like Senna's career history then. The only all time great I can think of who wasn't dirty was Jim Clark. It's not a black mark on a driver for me.
Exactly my point.
Albon 
Out in SQ1
16) Yuki Tsunoda (AlphaTauri)
17) Valtteri Bottas (Alfa Romeo)
18) Kevin Magnussen (Haas)
19) Zhou Guanyu (Alfa Romeo)
20) Nico Hulkenberg (Haas)
16) Yuki Tsunoda (AlphaTauri)
17) Valtteri Bottas (Alfa Romeo)
18) Kevin Magnussen (Haas)
19) Zhou Guanyu (Alfa Romeo)
20) Nico Hulkenberg (Haas)
Haas completely screwing Hulk over
Stroll the only one out on slicks.
Too early for slicks
Too early for slicks
Stroll you utter muppet, risk that did not need to be taken
Stupid AM, they screwed both drivers.
Out in SQ2
11) Daniel Ricciardo (AlphaTauri)
12) Alex Albon (Williams)
13) Logan Sargeant (Williams)
14) Lance Stroll (Aston Martin)
15) Fernando Alonso (Aston Martin)
11) Daniel Ricciardo (AlphaTauri)
12) Alex Albon (Williams)
13) Logan Sargeant (Williams)
14) Lance Stroll (Aston Martin)
15) Fernando Alonso (Aston Martin)