F1 2023 Season

Yeah, look, i think some of the points you make here are fair enough. No doubt. He's hasn't had any competition this season. None. However, as you said, he certainly did in 2021 (again, in a car that wasn't clearly the best) and he won it by being the best driver overall. Of course you can disagree, but that's my opinion on it. The reason i bring it up, is because he's clearly shown that he can do it when under pressure and when it matters. He's not just simply a driver who can look good when he got nobody behind him and an empty track in front. Don't think you're necessarily saying that, but just wanted to make that point.

Last season he did have Leclerc for a bit before both he and Ferrari shit the bed. I'm not going to say to was a nail biter, but it was there...for a bit! Anyway, I'm saying all this, again, to highlight that he has had competition and he comes out on top, while also agreeing that i would love to see him have more, becuase i genuinely think it would push him on even further. We've seen it a few times this season in Quali. The times when he really needed to pull it out of the bag, or when he's angry, he fecking nails it.

And, yeah, the final point, is that a lot of what you mention, there's so much luck involved that has nothing (or very little) to do with the driver. A lot of this stuff is out of their hands. He wins three in a row (which he obviously will do) then RB shit the bed for whatever reason and struggle. He moves to a team, but they also struggle, similar to what happened to Alonso, then that's really not on him. I really do consider Alonso a GOAT, and he's nowhere near the titles of some of the other GOAT contenders. But just watch the man race. Ultimately, much like when we talk about football players and argue about "well he hasn't won this trophy, etc." Yeah, but just watch him, man! It's there. He's a GOAT, for me. Not the GOAT becuase that's simply impossible to rank. But he's there. His race craft is exceptional.
His race craft is fantastic which is why i want him to be truly pushed for a few more championship battles. It will be a shame for any F1 fans not to see him really pushed and have to drive to his utter limits.

One question for any max fan on here, do you think he has or will eventually (with age and maturity) have the ability to bring WDCs to ferrari i.e. do a schmacher and bring ferrari back to the top?
 
It's all good man. You're a very fair poster, to be honest. I also try to be "objective" but we all have biases. Of course, I want Max to win many titles, but i also want a really good championship battle. Becuase, as i've said many times, i think that would push him even further and bring out even more in him. Just like any of the best drivers of the sport over the years. Get Piastri or Leclerc at RB and let's go!
Cheers I appreciate that.
Piasrti has shocked me this season, he was not even on my radar, since his got got the upgrades he and Norris have been very good.
Piastri / Leclerc, I can see one of them taken over from Lewis when he does hang his driving gloves up
 
Can someone explain these sprint races? Is it just about Championship points, but unrelated to starting position on the Sunday? So Friday and Sunday are linked in their own bubble, but you can get extra points from the Saturday sprint?
 
His race craft is fantastic which is why i want him to be truly pushed for a few more championship battles. It will be a shame for any F1 fans not to see him really pushed and have to drive to his utter limits.

One question for any max fan on here, do you think he has or will eventually (with age and maturity) have the ability to bring WDCs to ferrari i.e. do a schmacher and bring ferrari back to the top?

Agreed on the first point.

Second question: no. Simply because i don't see him sticking around for that long. Think his contract is until 2028?? But there's more than a few people saying they can see him leaving in 2026. Also, just listening to how he speaks, I don't think F1 is everything to him. Think he may leave and try other race disciplines. I just get the sense that for him it was all about getting that WC. And he did it. Everything else is a bonus, and i don't think he cares too much about getting the 7 or 8 WC.

Now, he could very well go and dip his toes into other race disciplines and come back to the sport. That would be cool. He's young enough.
 
Can someone explain these sprint races? Is it just about Championship points, but unrelated to starting position on the Sunday? So Friday and Sunday are linked in their own bubble, but you can get extra points from the Saturday sprint?
The sprint race is just for more racing, instead off FP.
More exciting for the fans, FIA views not mine.
There is WC points on offer yes.
 
His race craft is fantastic which is why i want him to be truly pushed for a few more championship battles. It will be a shame for any F1 fans not to see him really pushed and have to drive to his utter limits.

One question for any max fan on here, do you think he has or will eventually (with age and maturity) have the ability to bring WDCs to ferrari i.e. do a schmacher and bring ferrari back to the top?

He has the consistency and speed. Does he have the engineering knowhow and presence to drive a team to build a title winning car from scratch? Nobody knows yet. Just staying with RB and winning x championships in a row from here won't add anything to his legacy from this point forward though.

Two ways to enter the GOAT conversation in motorsport. Win multiple titles with different cars, building those cars up and developing them into winners. Like Schumacher and Senna. Or win in multiple disciplines. Like Hill and Alonso.
 
He has the consistency and speed. Does he have the engineering knowhow and presence to drive a team to build a title winning car from scratch? Nobody knows yet. Just staying with RB and winning x championships in a row from here won't add anything to his legacy from this point forward though.

Two ways to enter the GOAT conversation in motorsport. Win multiple titles with different cars, building those cars up and developing them into winners. Like Schumacher and Senna. Or win in multiple disciplines. Like Hill and Alonso.

Max having to jump through some big hoops that Lewis doesnt seem to.

When did he develop a title winning car from scratch? He jumped across to team that had already developed a title winning car with an extraordinary engine advantage that took 7 full seasons to fully (legally) close.

Max put in the hard yards and hard years at Red Bull when they weren't competitive, as they perfected an aerodynamics department and became peerless in strategy. And that all happened with him at the centre of all of it.
 
I bet it's going to rain and they're going to delay it even further.
 
He has the consistency and speed. Does he have the engineering knowhow and presence to drive a team to build a title winning car from scratch? Nobody knows yet. Just staying with RB and winning x championships in a row from here won't add anything to his legacy from this point forward though.

Two ways to enter the GOAT conversation in motorsport. Win multiple titles with different cars, building those cars up and developing them into winners. Like Schumacher and Senna. Or win in multiple disciplines. Like Hill and Alonso.
Did you mean schmacher and hamilton as senna only won his titles with mclaren (before his death).
 
He has the consistency and speed. Does he have the engineering knowhow and presence to drive a team to build a title winning car from scratch? Nobody knows yet. Just staying with RB and winning x championships in a row from here won't add anything to his legacy from this point forward though.

Two ways to enter the GOAT conversation in motorsport. Win multiple titles with different cars, building those cars up and developing them into winners. Like Schumacher and Senna. Or win in multiple disciplines. Like Hill and Alonso.

Win in multiple disciplines like Nigel fecking mansell. Back to back with horrendous injuries to his foot and back.
 
Heres a stat that will probably never be matched or bettered. Fangio has 4 teams. Mental. No one is on three. Did anyone come close with a third team?

Drivers to have won WDC with more than one constructor:

Michael Schumacher (Benetton and Ferarri)

Jackie Stewart (Matra and Tyrell)

Graham Hill (Lotus and BRM)

Alain Prost (Williams and McLaren)

Nelson Piquet (Williams and Brabham)

Emerson Fittipaldi (McLaren and Lotus)

Niki Lauda (McLaren and Ferarri)

Jack Brabham (Brabham and Cooper)

Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo, Maserati, Ferarri, Mercedes)

Lewis Hamilton (McLaren and Mercedes)
 
Did you mean schmacher and hamilton as senna only won his titles with mclaren (before his death).

Senna is a special case. He was insane with his attention to detail in developing the car.

I also think he would have won in 1994. He'd been on pole in every race, once Williams got the quirks ironed out Damon Hill of all people was 1 point off. Senna would have stormed it.
 
Win in multiple disciplines like Nigel fecking mansell. Back to back with horrendous injuries to his foot and back.

Until I watch the documentary about him last week , I never realised just how hard a F1 career he had.
He was a stunning driver and it was a travesty he only one 1 WC, he should have had at least 3 and then to go on and be the only reigning F1 Champion to win at another motorsport is phenomenal and like you say with painful back and foot injuries.
 
I don't think nowadays that drivers have as much hands on input opportunity as they did in the time of Schumacher and before. The teams are so much larger now and the amount of engineering using high tech goes well beyond any single person's input other than smaller adjustments. The much stricter regulations dont exactly allow for teams to literally take a hammer or wrench to things. I remember moments in the 90s when they literally cut things or taped things from or onto the car.

Having said that, to think drivers like Max had no role in getting RB to where they are today seems daft. I watched quite a few interviews with RB engineers and other staff and it's interesting to hear how much time he (but also the other drivers) seemingly spend at the factory to test things. Not to mention the free practice sessions of course.
 
In before Wittich postpones the start of the sprint in case it rains in 10 minutes time.

Then it'll just get heavier and the sprint will turn into 13 laps behind the safety car.
 
Saying they may delay because of rain. FFS
There's safety then theres way too risk averse

Just have them all start on inters or wets or something

If they can't race in the rain...
 
Wheel out all the cars to the grid and sit them there even though the slightest threat of a hint of rain and you plan to postpone the race anyway.

What a gimp.
 
Hey Neils do you think the track will be wetter or dryer in 7 minutes time.
 
Until I watch the documentary about him last week , I never realised just how hard a F1 career he had.
He was a stunning driver and it was a travesty he only one 1 WC, he should have had at least 3 and then to go on and be the only reigning F1 Champion to win at another motorsport is phenomenal and like you say with painful back and foot injuries.
Which doc pauldy?
 
So July has the second highest rainfall in Spa while April has the lowest. So of course we race here in July.
 
Sprint start delayed
The FIA say the start of the Sprint has been delayed as the rain has started bucketing down on the grid.
There's no timeframe given for how long this delay will be at the moment.

FFS knew this would happen, FIA being way over zelous.
It used to tae a huge munt of rain to even stop and race now it seem even the threat of rain is enough.

who remember when F1 used to be about raw speed and raced in the rain