What happened to the Chagos Islands was a disgrace, but what does that have to do with the Falklands?
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David Cameron's suddenly all concerned about self-determination, let's see him back it up.
Who gives a feck? two dozen incestuous buck toothed limeys and a colony of penguins is all thats there.
Its British, its staying british, deal with it and move on.
I'd imagine they want greater independence rather than swapping British control for Argentine control but who knows.
about 2% of the population are of argentenean descent
Diego Garcia, hehe. There's an amusing irony to the British preaching wax lyrical on the self-determination of indigenous islanders.
Oh well lets feck the Falkland Islanders like we did the Diego Garcians, great thinking there.
Ever been?
Or, you could give the Chagan diaspora their homes back in Diego Garcia to make Britain's cute defense of self-determination a little bit more believable. Not that it's likely to happen mind you.
So Germany wouldn't be allowed to object to genocide of their citizens because they historically committed one? Japan should allow themselves to be invaded by China or Korea or any of the countries that they have invaded in the past?
Silly argument.
And do the Diego Garcians want to go back to the Islands or is it all now about compensation?
EDIT: Some want to go back, some want to be housed in the UK and some/all want compensation.
Silly argument.
And do the Diego Garcians want to go back to the Islands or is it all now about compensation?
EDIT: Some want to go back, some want to be housed in the UK and some/all want compensation.
That is Tasmania I think you will find.
although is funny how england uses the "self determination" prerrogative only when it suits their interest, the fact remains the same, the people had spoken and they want to stay british
i really don't want people being forced to be argentinian, i dont want my country to be like that
we have enough with many of the european countries and USA
i really don't want people being forced to be argentinian, i dont want my country to be like that
we have enough with many of the european countries and USA
Yes, because historical occurrences shame the same relevance as current events. While you're at it why not add the British Jallianwala Bagh massacre in 1919 or the Afghanistan massacre of 1842.
The key difference is that much of the Chagans affected by this disgraceful militarised depopulation are very much still around, and still feel shorthanded by the whole ordeal (and rightly so). If the British did the right thing is giving these people their entitled homes back and/or adequately compensating them, then their superficial regard for the Islanders self-determination in the Falklands might seem that little bit more sincere.
What has any of that got to do with the Falklands and their right to self determination?
They either should or shouldn't have that right. So which do you think it should be?
They either should or shouldn't have that right. So which do you think it should be?
although is funny how england uses the "self determination" prerrogative only when it suits their interest, the fact remains the same, the people had spoken and they want to stay british
i really don't want people being forced to be argentinian, i dont want my country to be like that
we have enough with many of the european countries and USA
Exactly lets see how popular self determination is when the demographics continue to change where I am.
One of the BBC articles I read had a quote from an Argentinian official who seemed to be saying that they weren't disputing that the people on the Islands were British, but that that was different from the Islands themselves belonging to Britain.
So I assume you could have a scenario where the territory became Argentinian, inhabited by British citizens who would presumably have to apply for visas to continue to live and work there! A strange situation.
So I assume you could have a scenario where the territory became Argentinian, inhabited by British citizens who would presumably have to apply for visas to continue to live and work there! A strange situation.
You make it sound like the British are desperate to hold onto Northern Ireland now. I suppose I can't speak for the government, but I can speak for the English, Welsh and Scottish - you're welcome to it. Nobody fecking wants it. When the republicans have a majority and vote to leave the UK, there'll be plenty in mainland Britain pushing the government to let them.
Of course, you're making the assumption that those in the Republic of Ireland would absorb the North into their country. Which, from living here, seems very unlikely - nobody down here fecking wants it either, apart from a few token republicans.
The territory isn't Argentine, either. It has never, in its entire history, been owned by Argentina. The British took control of the islands before Argentina as a country even existed!
And if you want to start arguing about colonialism and use that as an excuse to kick the British off, then all the whites in Argentina can feck off back to Spain and Italy then rather than sabre-rattling. They're just as much the descendants of colonists.
Can anyone explain to me what the point was in having a vote to decide if people think they're British, which only British people were allowed to vote in, on an island where almost all of the people are British anyway?
Has anything more pointless than this ever happened?
Has anything more pointless than this ever happened?
It's a token gesture to reinforce the sovereignity of the islands as British, I guess. It shows that Britain is letting things be "fair" by holding a vote, even though everyone knew the outcome.
But the issue isn't about whether the people there want to be British, it's about what they're doing there being British in the first place.
Not that I'm saying Argentina have a point, but it's irrelevant to the point they think they have. I'm not sure what it achieves other than insulting everyone's intelligence and wasting some time.
although is funny how england uses the "self determination" prerrogative only when it suits their interest, the fact remains the same, the people had spoken and they want to stay british
i really don't want people being forced to be argentinian, i dont want my country to be like that
we have enough with many of the european countries and USA
The British Government will use it when it suite them of course. The people who live on the Falklands genuinely want to be British and are of course British. The historical claims are so convoluted and mixed that I can't see the justification for going against the wishes of those who live there.
You might hope that some sort of seal that would see Argentina support any oil/gas drilling for a % might sort things out to the benefit of all.
i want peace, i hope everyone wants peace, if we can reach an agreement about oil/gas/fishing permits, better, if not, well let's ´keep talking
and i certainly dont want people that don't want me
keep the falklands, keep the falklanders, the sheep, the penguins and the two sunny days a year
There were some Argentinians entitled to vote, permanent residents who hold Argentine passports, I suspect that might be where the 3 votes for Argentina came from.
Quite.
They claim to be British, yet they only gained full British citizenship after the Falklands War. I was born in India, and I had a British passport earlier than these Falklanders. Handing out citizenship is just simple posturing from the British government.
Wibbs, and Marcos idea of sharing natural resources and letting the Islanders choose who they want to be seems fair on paper.
Well in a vote of self-determination who is supposed to vote if not the people living there? If you look at what the vote was on, who else did you think was going to vote?
I'm surprised Spain and France are also not claiming the Islands.
A few days of bragging rights?
In other news, thanks to a referendum between me and my flatmates, I am now living on Jamican territory. I trust Dave will sort out the paperwork in due course.
Bollocks! Well you get the idea!
Some of these examples people are bringing up as "comparisons" are so cute.
9.6% of the Falklands population are of non Falkland or British descent, made up of Chileans, Japanese and Spanish.
The UN states that by accordance with International law, that the inhabitants of a territory should have the right to self determination. This vote was to reinforce the residents of the Falklands desire on the matter to the eyes of the world.
An Argie elected Pope, Falklands invasion is on!
Who said anything about absorption? I still say when the demographic shift happens self determination won't be implemented readily. We wont have long to wait and see as the demographics will flip within the next two decades or so.
If you are so interested in self determination then why don't you want it now?
Who says I don't want it?, me wanting it and it happening are two different things. I would have thought that was obvious.