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Jamie Carragher on Mourinho
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Simply put, our hand is forced by the lack of alternatives.
Mourinho wasn't our choice when we wanted a new manager earlier and if we could get someone like Pep or Ancelotti now, he wouldn't get the job.
Mourinho wasn't our choice when we wanted a new manager earlier and if we could get someone like Pep or Ancelotti now, he wouldn't get the job.
Carragher is a moron.
Agree as well, desperation is what it would reek of IMHO. Disrepute, a recurring theme wherever he coaches
As I said in another thread, hardly any big club brings through a lot of young players from their academies. Look at all the big teams now and tell me the composition of academy youth players in their starting XIs.
It's a stupid and pointless argument against Mourinho. If we had all our players fit and ready, we'd have no youth players in our XI.
Great football? Yeah, we're really blessed with the football we're currently playing.
We should get a manager known for his nice style of football. How about Klopp? Oh no, he's at Liverpool. Pep? Going to City. Ancelotti? Going to Bayern.
Shut the feck up, Carragher.
It's a stupid and pointless argument against Mourinho. If we had all our players fit and ready, we'd have no youth players in our XI.
Great football? Yeah, we're really blessed with the football we're currently playing.
We should get a manager known for his nice style of football. How about Klopp? Oh no, he's at Liverpool. Pep? Going to City. Ancelotti? Going to Bayern.
Shut the feck up, Carragher.
Appointing one of the best managers in the world because we are desperate to win.
I have no problem with that.
I have no problem with that.
Really Liverpool are a weird example considering your point. Chopping and changing managers in the desperate hunt to get back to their glory days has done them no good. Signing a world class talent is the only thing that got them close.
In an ideal world, yes. Unfortunately, three years without a trophy is an eternity in modern football, especially for a club with a winning habit like United. No manager will get that amount of time just to lay the foundation - that was supposedly what LvG was brought in for and look how much of you guys are calling for his sacking (rightfully so imo) right now..
Mourinho will probably bring success to your club but in the long term, it's almost a certainty he won't leave United in a better state than you are right now, so it all depends on how you look at is as a fan: short term successes with the uncertainty of the next manager fecking it up again or good foundations to build a new legacy on for a new era post SAF. I'd want the latter for Liverpool and I'm convinced that Klopp is the perfect candidate for that task although it still isn't certain that he'll succeed. Problem is, a lot of United fans used to pretend they were better than the average football fan and that they had higher standards and so on, but that was in the SAF era when it was easy to do so when it came with winning a shitload of trophies. Many of those fans are now showing their true colours by proclaiming that it's ultimately all about trophies, and in that case you just want Mourinho because that's what he does.
Ancelotti would have been perfect, he was my ideal choice 
Pep is my 2nd choice then Mourinho in 3rd
Pep is my 2nd choice then Mourinho in 3rd
I don't think stability is overrated. We've had two great long-serving managers in Busby and Fergie. It's what happens at the end of a long-serving manager's reign that buggers things up. United had an object lesson to draw from, yet still managed to make the same errors they did in 1969-70. Matt achieved his ultimate goal in 1968 and did not have it in him to build another side. He left an aging team for McGuinness and O'Farrell and we paid the price. It was Docherty who had the unenviable task of getting rid of legends like Law and Morgan and building another team, and it took a season in the 2nd Division to turn things around.
Fergie studies history. He saw the signs all right and did what he could, but criminal under-investment by the Glazers meant that his hands were tied. Like Busby, Fergie could get average players to perform like world-beaters. Imagine if Fergie could have had the budget handed to Van Gaal in, say, 2009-2010? We wouldn't be having this debate.
What is this tosh about Jose leaving clubs in a worse state than he joined them in?
Avram Grant was a shaved post away from winning the Champions League with Jose's Chelsea mess in 2008, and Ancelotti won the Champions League with Jose's Real Madrid mess in 2014.
Chelsea might be in a poor league position at this present moment but can you honestly tell me that they were better off before he joined without the likes of Matic, Fabregas, Costa and the attraction of being Premier League champions for the new manager to run with?
Avram Grant was a shaved post away from winning the Champions League with Jose's Chelsea mess in 2008, and Ancelotti won the Champions League with Jose's Real Madrid mess in 2014.
Chelsea might be in a poor league position at this present moment but can you honestly tell me that they were better off before he joined without the likes of Matic, Fabregas, Costa and the attraction of being Premier League champions for the new manager to run with?
Might have a point with the bringing youth into games but as mentioned if they are good enough then they should get a chance, don't just play them for the sake of it
He played Loftus-Cheek a few times. Strangely enough I don't think his problem is with talented youth, his problem is he wants the same type of players everywhere he goes and the likes of Lukaku and De Bruyne for example just didn't think his boxes. Either did Hazard but I have it in my head Abramovic made Mourinho play him. Mourinho wants work horses, simple as.
So 2 years out of 2.5 were boring?
The thing is about Chelsea is that they've had a whole series of managers who have patently failed to give youth players a chance.It's a bit of a myth that it's a Mourinho thing with them.
Remember he gave Loftus Cheek a chance but could be forgiven for going into the campaign with the players that won the title so easily last season
Actually agree with that scouse clownbox for once. Made up my mind on Mourinho a long time ago, it's a good measure of the man that he'll blame anyone and everyone for his own failings, UEFA conspiracy, UNICEF, FA vendetta against him, every referee that gives a decision against Chelsea and ultimately his own staff, physio, players..
Now Fergie knew how to be a d*ck when he had to, putting pressure on refs before big games, or drawing a lot of attention to a big decision that impacted a result negatively, no harm in dragging their name into the media sometimes, might make that official think twice before coming to our patch and acting like that again. However I can never imagine him publicly accusing his team of betraying him in a last bid to keep his job.
Think Mourinho has pretty much burned his bridges in English football after we all witnessed his gradual descent into madness this season. He looked a broken man by the end, he should take some time off, still being paid by Chelsea, maybe take over the Portuguese national side where he'd have less issues weighing him down, prob best for his own health.
Utter nonsenseNo one is saying to do it for the sake of it, but he had a lot of good young players at his disposal at Chelsea the last two years and hardly used any of them. He won't use them because if they do make a mistake it reflects poorly on him, he isn't interested in their development as players.
In fairness, what you're saying is perfectly sensible. Problem is, a lot of big clubs say this, but there are only a few trophies to go around and the decisions are not always the correct ones. I also include what may/may not happen at United in this. It's all a gamble. In hindsight, ignoring "Tara Fergie" was genius. At the time it was a gamble.
When you look at his prefered front 4 at Chelsea, Real Madrid and Inter they have nothing in common.
------Benzema
Ronaldo-Ozil-Di Maria
-----Diego Costa
Hazard-Oscar-Willian
-------Milito
Eto'o-Sneijder-Pandev ; I think it was that one, but I'm not sure.
Not true. The top 3 teams on the planet - Bayern, Barcelona and Madrid - all play attacking football.
The best team in France - PSG - play attacking football.
The two people consider most likely to win the Premier League this season - Arsenal and City - play attacking football.
It's a myth that you need to sacrifice flair to win stuff in the modern game.
this
Of course Carragher would relish us being weak, hence not getting Mourinho or another top manager.
Why wouldn't Mourinho like Lukaku? A big strong presence up front. Now that he's added some hold-up play and touch to his repertoire as well. Drogba-esque.
The football was. The ride wasn't. It is very up and down with Mourinho with great moments and really shit moments. But looking back, the football was never vintage.
I'm wondering if this is really true. OK there have been a few that were bought:Schurle,Lukaku,De Bruyne but none that I can think of from their youth system that have gone on to prove them wrong. Bamford, McEachran; what's happened to them? Ake,Atsu,Boga etc are all on loan as are a few of ours.
Also, he has been a complete shithead to Loftus-Cheek. Messed him around all the time this season and last season.
When you say, 'messed him around', what do you mean? Are you privy to something that has gone on that we haven't heard about?
Carragher is right on the money. I don't even see how anyone could argue that it's a sign of desperation. The only argument here is if we are in a position where desperation is justified or not. The scenario I am dreading is next year when Man City have Pep instilling a dominant front foot authoritative style of football befitting of a big rich club, we will be playing them the way West Brom or Stoke used to play against us. Yes we might even beat them but I am not sure I can handle watching Manchester United playing the way Chelsea did against City or Liverpool the past few years. I'd rather watch boring football in fact than that coward mentality. What makes it worse is that City are not considering him and never did which just shows you that one club aspires for the stars whereas the other is ready to push the panic button and make do with whatever is necessary to win again. I really do wish Ed doesn't act like a desperate fan again.
Jamie is right.
Jose brings all sort of drama (and I put that lightly). The way he treated Eva as a scapegoat, etc was disgusting. The way he talks about fellow managers like Wenger is disgusting. His touchline theatrics and spats are embarrassing. The way he falls out with players and shifts the blame/refuses to take responsibility is unsettling. His negative style of football isn't what we are about, and it would be hypocritical of anybody who has criticised LvG's style to pine for him. He doesn't favour youth development. He's a circus and is all me-me-me.
He is a good manager but doesn't share our values. We shouldn't piss over them for a quick (and likely temporary, he never lasts long) fix.
Jose brings all sort of drama (and I put that lightly). The way he treated Eva as a scapegoat, etc was disgusting. The way he talks about fellow managers like Wenger is disgusting. His touchline theatrics and spats are embarrassing. The way he falls out with players and shifts the blame/refuses to take responsibility is unsettling. His negative style of football isn't what we are about, and it would be hypocritical of anybody who has criticised LvG's style to pine for him. He doesn't favour youth development. He's a circus and is all me-me-me.
He is a good manager but doesn't share our values. We shouldn't piss over them for a quick (and likely temporary, he never lasts long) fix.
I don't know about messed around but he's supposedly one of the brightest youngsters yet Chelsea have a squad full of players who don't give a shit but still he doesn't play.
Constantly saying he would get game time, giving him one half, pulling him off and not putting him in the match day squad for the next 4/5 games. Every time he isn't MotM slagging him off and calling him lazy in public. Last season, making a big deal about him being the player to break into the side against Sporting and giving him 8 whole minutes. Constantly playing the same midfield whilst never subbing him on for them no matter what the score nor how bad they performed. He even said he would give RLC a few games this season because Fabregas/Matic were so shit, ended up giving him one half against Villa and then stopped playing him. This is all after bigging him up constantly.
It seemed scripted as part of MNF's entertainment. Carragher playing bad cop and Henry playing good cop. Full version here...
One thing I will say is, we are clearly desperate. If we don't win anything this season, that's three years without a throphy. A drought is already creeping in.
Ake should have been hitting their first team this year, completely does away with the Ivanovic problem, move Azpi to his natural side and play Ake down the left, now instead he has Noe Baba in his way as well. Shite squad management.
Loftus-Cheek is another one, sporadic sub appearances. Solanke and Christensen could be getting more chances but have been shipped out on loans, Bamford despite doing everything asked of him on loan never even had a shout.
That must be awful for new fans like you
Aren't all managerial sackings a sign of desperation though?
Jose is clearly the best candidate for the job out there, unless we want to go to war with Peps City playing a lesser brand of their football with Koeman or Martinez in charge?
I wouldn't mind watching Joses version of his first Chelsea side, his Madrid side or even his Inter side at United next season.
Pep will stay at City for 3 seasons before moving on, we need to negate those seasons as best we can. Also Sir Alex for example used to always play defensively v the top sides, hell he got spanked twice by Peps Barca himself.
We are in no way in a position where we can turn down Jose. If Pep joins City and dominates the League we could be years away from challenging them.
Yeah but we won't be getting a real manager if we don't get Jose now, we'll be getting Giggs who has all of 4 games worth of managerial experience.
Don't know about the others but Bamford looks a Championship player all over.He's never going to be a starter at the big clubs
But like McClaren, he has his get out clause already.It'll be a lame duck appointment
As evidenced by his goal tally's wherever he has been ? He hasn't even been given a chance, how can anyone with any certainty say he is a championship level player ?