Jose Gimenez

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We're being linked with him quite a bit in recent months. Imo he's one of, if not, the best young CB in the world. He plays style is reminiscent of Vidic, so he'd do very well in the premier league. Not the greatest passer from the back, which would raise the question of whether a CB pairing of Gimenez and Bailly would work. He also has a release clause of 65m euros, which is almost £59m in the current market, but I'd doubt he'd cost over £40m.

Here's a link to the article that links him to us:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/jose-mourinho-makes-50m-rated-9172832
 
Yes please, go all in. Good CB's are rare these days and we badly need some. He is still young and prone to mistakes at times, but i am a huge fan. Varane and Laporte are not gettable, so Gimenez would be the next option.
 
is he first choice, i havent seen many games of liga but it seems as godin an savic are ahead of him. that could temp him to join us
 
Talented but too similar to the CB's we already have IMO. We need a more composed sweeper type of CB to compliment Bailly's all action style, a Rio to his Vidic.
 
He looks shorter than he actually is. Great young centre back but if we are to buy another centre back I would rather a ball playing young centre back or maybe a stopgap who is good on the ball so we can promote someone from the youths who is good on the ball. When we played with Blind the other day at the back, our play improved a fair bit IMO, there was a stark difference between that and Bailly-Smalling.

That being said, that's just my preference. The kid is one of the best young CBs in the world and I definitely wouldn't be adverse to signing him.
 
Feck ball-playing CB's, if he is available he is a no-brainer.
 
No more young CB. We have tuanzbe, Williams and Mensah knocking on the door.

We need an experienced one to guide them
 
There might be something in this. He seems to have lost his place to Savic and there are various influences wanting him out of Madrid. He didn't lose his place due to bad performances but rather Simeone seems more trusting of Savic since the Bayern game in which he was a little shaky. Like he suddenly realized that Gimenez is still very young to be starting all the time. He is probably the best young centreback in the world.

izec said:
Yes please, go all in. Good CB's are rare these days and we badly need some. He is still young and prone to mistakes at times, but i am a huge fan. Varane and Laporte are not gettable, so Gimenez would be the next option.
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He's far less error prone than Varane although Varane is more naturally gifted.
 
reddevilzZ said:
No more young CB. We have tuanzbe, Williams and Mensah knocking on the door.

We need an experienced one to guide them
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Strange post. Giménez will be very hard to extract out of Atlético to begin with. But in the hypothetical situation where he is available to United: we should turn down a player who's arguably the biggest pure central defensive talent in football (ahead of even Rugani, Varane, Marquinhos, Laporte in that particular department - they make up in other categories), captained his country to the U-20 World Cup final despite being 1-2 years younger than everyone else, has played in the latter stages of the Champions League, and already has 20+ caps at age 21 on top of earning favorable comparison to Godín - in favor of players who may or may not pan out, and haven't evidenced comparable potential to what Giménez did at the same age? The only question around a potential transfer should be his fit with Bailly - which might be less than ideal in terms of style and function, because Giménez checks off every other box.
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
Yeah that's what we need more players that sign for us because of high wages. I'd rather sign players that are eager to pull on a united shirt.
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We wont get him if we offer him 50k a week, thats for sure. If you want top players, you have to pay top dollars, if they want to play for us badly or not.
 
izec said:
We wont get him if we offer him 50k a week, thats for sure. If you want top players, you have to pay top dollars, if they want to play for us badly or not.
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That's my point though, in recent times take a look at the likes of Evra, vidic, rio, park, RVN, RVP bailly, Herrera and more, all these WANTED to play for united and it was obvious with the effort and passion they showed/show in every game. They were hardly top players with the exception of a couple

Nowadays we've got mercenaries like Pogba, Ibra, Rooney, schweinsteiger and recently Di Maria, falcao raking in 200k+ Aweek for minimal effort just producing nothing.

SAF did it right in terms of transfers it's been downhill ever since he left, he always said the market had no value and people saw him as being abit tight with spending but he only signed players that wanted to come here and look how successful we were using that policy.

Nowadays ed Woodward just sees who the "it" guy is and throws stupid money to get him, I still don't think Pogba really wanted to come here, ADM definitely didn't want to come here, falcao and Ibra came here for money.
 
Invictus said:
Strange post. Giménez will be very hard to extract out of Atlético to begin with. But in the hypothetical situation where he is available to United: we should turn down a player who's arguably the biggest pure central defensive talent in football (ahead of even Rugani, Varane, Marquinhos, Laporte in that particular department - they make up in other categories), captained his country to the U-20 World Cup final despite being 1-2 years younger than everyone else, has played in the latter stages of the Champions League, and already has 20+ caps at age 21 on top of earning favorable comparison to Godín - in favor of players who may or may not pan out, and haven't evidenced comparable potential to what Giménez did at the same age? The only question around a potential transfer should be his fit with Bailly - which might be less than ideal in terms of style and function, because Giménez checks off every other box.
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Sule deserves a mention as well.
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
That's my point though, in recent times take a look at the likes of Evra, vidic, rio, park, RVN, RVP bailly, Herrera and more, all these WANTED to play for united and it was obvious with the effort and passion they showed/show in every game. They were hardly top players with the exception of a couple

Nowadays we've got mercenaries like Pogba, Ibra, Rooney, schweinsteiger and recently Di Maria, falcao raking in 200k+ Aweek for minimal effort just producing nothing.

SAF did it right in terms of transfers it's been downhill ever since he left, he always said the market had no value and people saw him as being abit tight with spending but he only signed players that wanted to come here and look how successful we were using that policy.

Nowadays ed Woodward just sees who the "it" guy is and throws stupid money to get him, I still don't think Pogba really wanted to come here, ADM definitely didn't want to come here, falcao and Ibra came here for money.
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Past 2006, Fergie wasn't getting it right at all. That outdated thinking was making us second best to signing the most talented players and we kept buying trash and mediocrity.

That is why the squad he left us in 2012 was not a good one and we have been trying to play catch up ever since in rebuilding the squad. Stupid thing is to make up for that mess, we gave big financial backing to clueless managers and we have offered big money to over the hill stars and mediocre players. If we signed genuinely good young but established CL quality players and offered good wages, I don't see an issue in that.
 
Would be perfect. if we got him we could offload Jones Rojo and potentially smalling and rebuild the backline moving forwards with Bailly, Giminez, Tuanzebe, Blind and Fosu-Mensah.
 
Best young CB in the world, even better than the likes of Varane, Laporte and Marquinhos. If we can get him, then just get him.
 
Devil81 said:
Because we're a far bigger club than Atletico, as good as they are.
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We may be bigger, But they are certainly better at the moment that's for sure.

Gimenez is a fantastic talent though, would love him at United. For me personally I would have him starting for Atleti as I always feel Savic is a disaster waiting to happen, even though Savic's form has been much better this season.
 
He wasn't very good in the few times I saw him in the Champions League last year.
 
prarek said:
He's far less error prone than Varane although Varane is more naturally gifted.
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At least some of it will be down to him playing in a super-tight defense with lots of mutual support & Varane playing in a high line behind a defensively erratic RM formation. More room for error there. But a very good talent, of course.

Does anyone have a clue why Simeone picked Savic ahead of him lately? (Gimenez is injured now, so I mean at the beginning of the season.)
 
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I'd have reservations about buying another young centre half given we have 3 exceptionally talented players in that position aged between 18-19. I'd rather we bought an experienced centre half and think we will try and sign someone in January.
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
Yeah that's what we need more players that sign for us because of high wages. I'd rather sign players that are eager to pull on a united shirt.
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Rooney wants to keep his united shirt now
 
Yes please. Though I can't quite see Athletico selling him in January to be fair.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Wouldn't it make sense to sign a Jose Fonte type;experienced and able to mentor the likes of Tuanzebe or Williams
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Probably
Personally I'd go for Godin if experience is needed. I personally hope we go for a Van Dijk before a Liverpool does. As for Giminez, I can see why he'd appeal to Jose. He has that Jorge Costa/Puyol/Terry way about him. He'd probably spell the end for one of Smalling and Jones. For I believe Jose will eventually promote Tuanzebe
 
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Inigo Montoya said:
Wouldn't it make sense to sign a Jose Fonte type;experienced and able to mentor the likes of Tuanzebe or Williams
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I rate Jose Fonte highly and think he is excellent but the man is already 32 and hardly someone who can play alongside Bailly for next 2-3 seasons, we need to look at other options considering how much Saints would ask.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Probably
Personally I'd go for Godin if experience is needed. I still have a feeling though that Jose will sign Van Dijk
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Chances of us signing Godin from Atletico is basically zero. There are not many experienced CBs who we can lure as they are already at top clubs, Thiago Silva was one but apparently Juventus already have an agreement with him for next season. I hope Jose doesn't go for van Dijk, he has great physique which makes him stand out more but Jose Fonte is the leader of that defence which is what we need more, rather than another physically imposing CB.
 
Kush said:
I rate Jose Fonte highly and think he is excellent but the man is already 32 and hardly someone who can play alongside Bailly for next 2-3 seasons, we need to look at other options considering how much Saints would ask.
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Don't think he'd cost that much personally, look at Ashley Williams as an example. Arguably even more important to Swansea than Fonte is to Southampton, same age, came off a great Euro's and several impressively solid seasons in the Premiership and only want for £12m which isn't that much for an experienced leader with great natural defensive instincts who can slot straight in. Southampton are a selling club aswell and probably have some players coming through the youth teams who they'd expect to replace him.

Not saying United SHOULD necessarily go for him, mind. But if they've struggling to find an experienced partner for Bailly in the short-term (if Smalling doesn't pan out, I'm still not entirely convinced by him myself if I'm honest), then they could do a lot worse.
 
Kush said:
I rate Jose Fonte highly and think he is excellent but the man is already 32 and hardly someone who can play alongside Bailly for next 2-3 seasons, we need to look at other options considering how much Saints would ask.



Chances of us signing Godin from Atletico is basically zero. There are not many experienced CBs who we can lure as they are already at top clubs, Thiago Silva was one but apparently Juventus already have an agreement with him for next season. I hope Jose doesn't go for van Dijk, he has great physique which makes him stand out more but Jose Fonte is the leader of that defence which is what we need more, rather than another physically imposing CB.
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Then Giminez is the one. Dude retired Lugana for Uruguay, who had lead them for ages....
 
Experience would be desirable. In matter of fact if there was a 28 year old superb defender in the EPL who was available then I'd say we go for it. However its also true that you can't teach an old dog new tricks and most of the time old players tend to struggle when they go in a different league at a certain age.

What we need is players with brains. Bailly showed that despite his age he's got far more brain power then Smalling has despite the latter is older and had been in the EPL for most of his career. If Gimenez is that type of player then I'd say we should go for him
 
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