Luka Modric / Signs for Real Madrid
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Hardly. We offered him a place on the bench and to go with it, a wage to match. You cannot compare. United wanted Berbatov to be the new main striker alongside Rooney, City wanted Berbatov to be their new striker to lead the line. Berba chose United.
And linking this to the OP topic, I think it is safe to say that Modric would chose United to come to.
Didn't know that. So United didn't match the price?
He has done well at City though. Won everything in England now, hasn't he? Plus, that European Cup.
Most of which with United
We couldn't afford Sneijder at €15m?
That Tevez example is terrible.
And he would have been more succesful had he stayed put.
Was a messy transfer by all accounts.
Is that £47m including wages too?
Was that Inter's asking price last season? Either ways, all inclinations were it was a failed attempt to lure him.
Yeah. Still, can't blame the guy for sticking to his associates IMO.
On Modric, he'd be a better fit for United than Sneijder.
I suspect he had no choice.
No idea... was an article somewhere with the specifics.
WTH is that from?
What are your overheads?
You never seen/heard Flight of the Conchords? Class.
I had no idea we were in for him last year, I thought you were suggesting we tried to buy him from Madrid the year before.
3 goals and 3 assists in the league all season
I posted this in another thread but I genuinely can't believe that some of you think he's worth £30m+. I know that stats aren't everything but I found the following shocking:
Everyone's flavour of the month Luka Modric has a measly 3 assists (placing him 95th overall in the premier league) and 3 goals (placing him 119th overall).
I'm sure now that the resident stats boys will tell me that stats aren't everything but honestly if that's the type of return someone's going to give you, they really aren't worth a significant fee.
I posted this in another thread but I genuinely can't believe that some of you think he's worth £30m+. I know that stats aren't everything but I found the following shocking:
Everyone's flavour of the month Luka Modric has a measly 3 assists (placing him 95th overall in the premier league) and 3 goals (placing him 119th overall).
I'm sure now that the resident stats boys will tell me that stats aren't everything but honestly if that's the type of return someone's going to give you, they really aren't worth a significant fee.
Let's sex it up a bit
Whatever the amount it is obvious that United thought that the 25 mill fee for Tevez at the end of the loan was negotiable. Tevez's agent plainly wanted them to "negotiate" so that the option expired so that he could flog his product on to City who I'm sure were already lined up and waiting in the wings. We only reluctantly agreed to the 25 mill fee when the option had expired. I'm still not convnced that we wanted him that badly. Great player but he was too similar to Rooney IMO.
Aha, these videos have given us Kiwi's the license to jump in with more lyrical gold from Flight of the Conchords - oh yeah!
They claim to be "New Zealand's fourth most popular guitar-based digi-bongo acapella-rap-funk-comedy folk" duo - they're two musical comics who write songs and made a TV series that got quite big in the USA. Don't know how big it got in the UK, but they did do a radio show on BBC Radio 2 for a bit. Here's a couple more of their songs:
With Van der Sar retiring, Gary Neville going too, Scholes possible...my feelings are just so hurt right now.
They claim to be "New Zealand's fourth most popular guitar-based digi-bongo acapella-rap-funk-comedy folk" duo - they're two musical comics who write songs and made a TV series that got quite big in the USA. Don't know how big it got in the UK, but they did do a radio show on BBC Radio 2 for a bit. Here's a couple more of their songs:
With Van der Sar retiring, Gary Neville going too, Scholes possible...my feelings are just so hurt right now.
Iniesta over the last 5 seasons has averaged just over 4 assists and 4 goals a season in the league.
I am not really interested in Modric's stats with Spurs. I just see a player with the potential to do a very good job at United with the quality around him.
I don't think Scholes had brilliant stats in 06/07, but he was brilliant.
Take between Lampard, who has always had wonderful goal/assist stats and Modric, who has been implied earlier, has mediocre stats last season.
Who do you think would suit us better?
Who do you think would suit us better?
Why are you comparing a young Iniesta with current Modric?
Modric isnt much younger than Iniesta is now. What does Modric average over the last 5 seasons?
This season Iniesta has finally added good productivity to his game. Modric needs to do the same
I knew you'd challenge the point as you always do (and I don't agree, never will and there's never going to be a useful debate on it I don't think, sorry!) but you're challenging a point I've not made. I wasn't comparing the two, I was contesting his last line.
Even if Iniesta had never improved his productivity beyond that level, and he never looked like improving upon it, do you think that he wouldn't be worth or go for a 'significant fee' on general play alone? I know you do.
Of course he would improve on it. What do you think he was going to improve in the next 5 years of his career while he's still on top? Of course he looked like he'd improve it - thats why I always made the point that he should improve it. Its not like he was shooting all the time and couldnt hit a barn door. There was no reason he couldnt be the player he has been this season or more productive than that, it was just a mental and attitude thing and some people are able to find the right balance and change it. Others arent able to do that.
Modric will improve his productivity too. And Sahin, Banega and all the rest.
Which top central midfielder known most for their attacking game has gone from the ages of like 25-30 without improving their 'average' productivity and consistancy of delivering that productivity in bigger matches?
If we signed Modric we'd get more than 3 goals and 3 assists from him in a season. Theres absolutely no question about it. But others would improve on their totals from lesser clubs too. Its not like he's the only player that would improve at United, they all would including Charlie Adam
You're deliberating missing the point. All I was asking was, on general play alone, was Iniesta worth a significant fee?
Correct me if I'm wrong but is this return not better than all of our CM players except Giggs, who isn't going to be around forever?
A "flavour of the month" who is highly rated by most people in football judging by what you hear the pundit's say.
Modric could do with scoring a few more goals for certain, but it doesn't mean he's not a top player. Easy to pick out stats which suit - I don't know for sure but I bet his pass completion is right up there and frankly, if anyone watches him regularly and doesn't think he's a very good player then they know very little about football.
He's been Spurs key player this year - the hub of the team who everything goes through and for me a player who would get better in a better side, especially if he was able to play a bit further forward.
Surely Transfer fees are all relative and depend on bargaining power and circumstances as they stand - look at Andy Carroll to Liverpool. For me Modric would improve a very good team and if he's the right player, within reason you pay what you have to to get him, becuase if you don't someone else will.
I think there's a few good midfield players who are potential targets for next year and Modric is certainly one. £30 million for an established Premier League player isn't that bad in comparison to the £17 million (or whatever it was) on Anderson as potential for the future which has been largerly unfulfilled so far.
The thing with modric is he's good on the ball, uses it well. People bring up stats all the time but Dwight Yorke was never THAT good a striker ...until he joined us. He's a good player but he could be a great player at United.
I wasn't commenting on Modric just the idea that a player can't be worth a significant fee (£20m+?) if they aren't productive from midfield.
You can make a brilliant, defence cutting pass, to a player who then makes an easy pass to someone who taps it into the net. You'll get nothing in the statistics except a 'completed pass'. Statistics are not meaningless, but you can't base much on them.
I see. To answer your question then yes of course I'd take Iniesta at £20 million and a lot more. And Modric at around £30 million
If he had a season where he scored a decent amount of goals and assists then I'd pay a fair bit more.
See Scholes in 06/07. Stats were fairly barren, but a huge amount of our goals that season were scored by Scholes picking out a player in a wide open attacking area, and that player would then have plenty of time and space to pick out someone in a goalscoring area.
Modric doesn't score or make the final pass all that often. He does however control Spurs attacking play around, and puts others into a great position regularly.
It was a daft post the first time around just as it is now. Based purely on statistics then fine, it doesn't look great. But you only have to watch him to realise he's got "United Player" written all over him.
FWIW we won't sign him anyway. I think Fergie will bring in someone for relatively cheap to add to the likes of Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson and Gibson.
He's way better than Arshavin. Arshavin has managed 11 assists this season. So has Brunt. Most of that came before christmas.
Oh yes
Au contraire .... I know for a fact that he has no tattoos anywhere on his body.
