Its meant to be safe flying 30k ft above war zones... Unless they have ground air missiles or similar. Its a mistake that will only be made once I guess
Malaysian Plane crashes over the Ukraine | 17th July 2014
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Its meant to be safe flying 30k ft above war zones... Unless they have ground air missiles or similar. Its a mistake that will only be made once I guess
Maybe keep all the Israel shite in its own thread? Nothing at all to do with this.
The thread isn't hard to find
The thread isn't hard to find
Really gutted to see the news this morning. 295 people dead.
Around 100 aids resesrchers going to the aids conference. Its like a bad joke. Someone asks how far that is going to set the world back? Who knows.
Not sure if this has been posted here, but I found it interesting: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ht-mh17.html?smid=tw-nytimes&_r=0#crash-field
The route which MH17 took was an active route which was used by commercial planes regularly. However, hours before the crash, Russia closed down the routes around the Ukrainian air space, and the route which was supposed to be the continuation of the MH17's original route.
Edit: Map 1.
The route which MH17 took was an active route which was used by commercial planes regularly. However, hours before the crash, Russia closed down the routes around the Ukrainian air space, and the route which was supposed to be the continuation of the MH17's original route.
Edit: Map 1.
Newcastle United release a club statement following the loss of John Alder and Liam Sweeney, "two of of the Club's most loyal supporters", who lost their lives in the crash. "Both men were familiar faces at every Newcastle United away game and attended not only first team games but Reserve and Academy matches too," it says. "On behalf of everyone at Newcastle United we send our deepest condolences to John and Liam's families and friends."
http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20140718/club-statement-john-alder-and-liam-sweeney_2281670_4014219
http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20140718/club-statement-john-alder-and-liam-sweeney_2281670_4014219
Conspiracy theorists are gonna be all over that.
One family lost members on both Malaysia Airlines flights...
Dunno if any of you use expatica.com but one of the blokes that runs it was on the plane with his family
I'm lost for words.
Unreal stuff. That poor woman, can't imagine what she's going through...
Even if it is not this plane, it's probably very close to the very same consequence and you can get a good idea of just how absolutely terrifying the last moments of those passengers lives were.
I've heard they were dead in a matter of a second, long time before they reached the ground or could realize they were struck by a rocket, they probably couldn't feel anything.
Yeah, had an exam today and my teachers were livid as the AIDS specialist from my hospital was supposed to go to the conference as well but had to cancel.
Let's hope so.
I really hope so. I hope they didn't feel any pain.
Yeah once the missile hits id imagine if the cabin depressurises at that altitude then the passengers will be out very quickly.
I'm pretty sure that if a plane flies that high and gets hit by anything that damages the fuselage then the plane itself will tear itself to pieces in a matter of seconds. Consider the speed the plane is travelling at on impact. It would be over extremely quickly.
I'm pretty sure they have to be flying at 8,000 feet or below to have a chance of surviving such an explosion.
Disclaimer: This might not be accurate!
They were definitely dead long before the contact with ground, that's for sure. In terms of pain catastrophes that are closer to ground must be worse although it'd still only take seconds.
Utterly tragic
No we (mankind) are doing what we have always seemed to do. Fighting wars for a variety of reasons.
Nothing substantial will come of this, as usual. Just the usual widespread condemnation and fruitless investigations.
@KM Considering I got burned like bad tires for being "holier-than-thou", thought I'd give me two cents.
Being a journalist for about five years now, I spent the whole of last evening trawling through twitter to figure out what the general mood was.
By my calculations, a vast majority of the reaction to the debacle was deep sadness. I wondered why there wasn't enough anger involved. I mean, a passenger plane was blown out of the sky FFS! Shouldn't there be riots across the capitals in Europe by now? A missile shot down 298 people from the sky - innocents!
All this goes to show is that though Twitter has the undeniable ability to unite a large numbver of voices, it also stands in danger of making tweets less emotional and more based on trends. The data has begun to show that the more people log into twitter and upon seeing reaction, continue a similar reaction with their own tweets.
Of course, plenty of people have original thoughts. And I would suppose that most of these people are genuinely hurt and they're merely showing their sadness. However, if what I think is going on is true, slowly over time Twitter will get more and more unoriginal. Leaving it in danger of being a recycler of news and emotion rather than opinion.
Sorry lads if I derailed any conversation. Just my observation regarding Twitter.
Being a journalist for about five years now, I spent the whole of last evening trawling through twitter to figure out what the general mood was.
By my calculations, a vast majority of the reaction to the debacle was deep sadness. I wondered why there wasn't enough anger involved. I mean, a passenger plane was blown out of the sky FFS! Shouldn't there be riots across the capitals in Europe by now? A missile shot down 298 people from the sky - innocents!
All this goes to show is that though Twitter has the undeniable ability to unite a large numbver of voices, it also stands in danger of making tweets less emotional and more based on trends. The data has begun to show that the more people log into twitter and upon seeing reaction, continue a similar reaction with their own tweets.
Of course, plenty of people have original thoughts. And I would suppose that most of these people are genuinely hurt and they're merely showing their sadness. However, if what I think is going on is true, slowly over time Twitter will get more and more unoriginal. Leaving it in danger of being a recycler of news and emotion rather than opinion.
Sorry lads if I derailed any conversation. Just my observation regarding Twitter.
Especially since at the end of the day it will most likely have been accidental, along the lines of a misidentification of the jet.
Most of the time, it's for stupid reasons.
Apparently once the fuselage begins falling the g forces involved cause passengers to black out within seconds.
I haven't felt this angry in a long time. Almost 300 innocent people dead, and for what? Some asshole with a missile, a launcher and a huge cock for an ego what felt like impressing some asshole in a suit or his buddies. When it all boils down, the reason behind these tragedies is so trivial you'd want to kill someone.
Have to agree. The stupid feckers deserve the worst that life has to offer.
That's basically it - some prick with way too much testosterone wanting to be a hard man. Which happens in every country - the difference being that normally such characters are reduced to fighting when the pubs shut whereas in this case they have access to a heavy arsenal that has been shipped over the border.
80 children on board
Why has the FDR been sent to Russia...am I missing something? It doesn't belong to Putin and his cretins. It belongs Malaysian Airlines.
That's the question isn't it. Nobody should have taken anything from the crash site, they should have waited for independent people to come in. They'd only take debris if they have something to hide.
Was it sent to Russia or did the Russians or their minions find it first and make off with it?
Russia has a history of confiscating the evidence when they needlessly shoot down civillian aircraft.
The latter. The Russians and their minions control the area. If you have to get into the area and you're a journalist, the separatists have to take you there. Ukraine has basically 'given up' control of the area somewhat. At the end of the day, Putin will pay for his sins. If not him, his kids or his grandkids.
It will be interesting to see if they will turn it over to an international agency soon and intact or if the will delay and then low and behold the data will have been tampered with or destroyed.
The good thing is they didn't tamper with the ones they kept from that Korean plane they shot down. Now, if only they'd handed them over 20 years earlier.
Obama said that evidence shows MH17 was shot down by Russian-backed separatists in Ukraine who received Russian weapons training.