New England Revolution v Manchester United - Pre-season Friendly

Mockney said:
Excal is American.
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I know that, right below his name it says California. However, Eurosnob is a term to describe an attitude where the person thinks European things are better than other places. Saying you hate MLS and USSF, while on a European team's forums shows a view that is anti-American "soccer" favoring the superiority of European "football". It doesn't matter if you're European or not, it's an elitist mindset.
 
Excal said:
...Really, my biggest beef with MLS is not with the league itself but rather the way that USSF runs the international team as a cash cow for the MLS owners that run it, and the direct harm this has done to USMNT over the last decade or so.
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Hey, if you've got the time, I'd be interested to hear what you mean. I snipped this bit off and put is in the https://www.redcafe.net/f7/mls-thread-320424/index11.html#post10083992 as it's nowt to do with the United-Revs game.
 
Excal said:
Sssshh. Don't spoil it. This is a rare bird. Almost every American fan of football I know, whether they follow MLS or not, acknowledge the damage the MLS ownership groups and USSF have done to the game here and international team in particular in the name of greater profits. Seeing one actually defend them is so unusual, I'd like him to keep it up even if he isn't able to give his opinion without constantly asserting that disagreeing with him can only be possible in a state of ignorance, (and, apparently, Europe.)

How to salvage this?

*ahem*

Davis, is it true that MLS want to break the game up into quarters not just for more commercial revenue, but because their American fans are too fat to pay attention for 45 minutes?
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Excal said:
Whereas I'm less confident the league will make changes to improve the product if that means less money in their pockets. Not that I'd have gone on about this if Davis hadn't gotten his back up about a slightly ranty offhand comment. Really, my biggest beef with MLS is not with the league itself but rather the way that USSF runs the international team as a cash cow for the MLS owners that run it, and the direct harm this has done to USMNT over the last decade or so.
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Sorry if I came across as harsh, I just have a huge pet peeve for people dismissing MLS and US "soccer" in general. I was born and bread on the English game, and coming here, I'll admit the drop off point in talent was steep. Thankfully, it's about 1,000 times better than it was when I first, but it still has a ways to go. But I do apologize if I came out storming.

I still don't grasph your opinion on what exactly MLS and USSF have done to maximize profit that others haven't. Useless friendlies? Check. Holding on to a players rights to get more money? Check. Marketing? Check. Trying to maximize viewers? Check. Getting sponsors? Check.

And your notion about quarters was brought on by the US-based Television channels, namely ESPN and a small handful of owners, not the league. And it would never pass because FIFA would never allow it, nor would the fans.

The problem with MLS (and the national game) is all the money in any league, in any sport derives from TV. MLS doesn't even average a million viewers per game. So when you have a sport where you're only going to get advertising dollars for 15 minutes during a two hour telecast, and of that, those 15 minutes are when people are getting chips or going to the restroom, there's no money to be made. So sure, ESPN would love to see quarters. FSC or GolTV don't care because they're subscription based like Sky in England, so they care about viewers over advertising dollars as a premium.

But show me one article where the league came out and said they were close to implimenting this and I will happily apologize. But again, your "Eurosnobbery" is seething out... "but because their American fans are too fat to pay attention for 45 minutes" - Come on mate, give me evidence for this. No need to belittle your own country and fellow fans of the sport.

And what evidence do you have that the USSF runs the national team as a cash cow for MLS? What link could you possibly make between two entities that are completely different and run by different people? The USSF is a seperate entity from MLS, MLS owners don't own the national team.

I love a good discussion, but you have yet to offer any evidence or logic for these wild connections you're making.

What harm has MLS done to the international team? Let's think of the top 5 international players: Donovan. MLS. Dempsey, Bradley, Howard, Holden - all from MLS. Jozy, Adu from MLS. Up coming stars like Agudelo, Shea - in MLS. The USSF has far more talent at its dispossal than it ever has. The issue is Senior Braldey and Gunil. One for being a terrible coach and the other for being a cheap-ass and not hiring a qualified, but expensive, coach for the team.

MLS has give American youth far more exposure, training, and opportunity now than it has ever done. What more could MLS do for the national team? Would you prefer no league? Or to rely on the college game? MLS has even made youth a larger focus by forcing teams to implement youth academies where you're seeing the new crop of US players rising to the top.
 
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