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I don't think Bale will outperform him, he looks a better player, although right now Bale has a fantastic return.

Skorenzy said:
Not a chance... There are plenty who come before Cristiano (and Messi since he re-injured himself) this season so far. Most notably Diego Costa, but certainly also Koke, Cani and Rakitic. Neymar has really turned on recently so he could be on his way to joining that list pretty soon, dito for Griezmann. At the other end, Valdés and Diego López in goal have been equally important to their team's victories as Messi and C. Ronaldo IMO.

Thé stand-out player of the first three months of the season has to be the aforementioned Diego Costa though, he's been nigh on unstoppable so far.
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There are plenty of players who have had a better season so far in La Liga than Ronaldo? What? He has 17 goals in 14 league games. Lopez has been equally important to their victories? Ronaldo has scored the same amount of goals by himself that Lopez has conceeded.
 
Mockney said:
Sky Sports gimpage-a-trois were nauseatingly wanking over a perfectly average 3rd goal where he went past one player and got lucky even doing that. Typical Neymar hype bullshit.

2nd goal was good. Celtic are shite. Bale will outperform him.
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Second goal was great, the third one was also very good. Great skill and finish.

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Bale has the better return at the moment, but I think Neymar looks a better player in general and will go on to be the better player. It will be interesting to see how he looks in 3 years, it's easy to forget he's only 21 and already looks this good.
 
Mockney said:
Hype hype hype hype hype hype hype.
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Not really. Just people saying he's doing very well. I think you're just taken in with complaining about the most talented young Brazilian being overhyped regardless of how well he is doing.
 
In terms of innate skill and talent with the ball, Neymar is on a different planet to Bale. Bale's box of tricks goes as far as a step over. Very different players though, it must be said. Bale is all about brawn and ball striking.
 
Mockney said:
It's decent skill, it's not an amazing goal. Adam llalana's was better.



He already is
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I don't care, I have as much of an irrational dislike for Bale as you have for Neymar. I'll never appreciate him. Probably to do with his face.
 
Godfather said:
I don't care, I have as much of an irrational dislike for Bale as you have for Neymar. I'll never appreciate him. Probably to do with his face.
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Irrational dislike has no place when judging a players worth, in that case I'd think Suarez is shit. Only serves to make some posters look like idiots, even esteemed ones.
 
Kag said:
In terms of innate skill and talent with the ball, Neymar is on a different planet to Bale. Bale's box of tricks goes as far as a step over. Very different players though, it must be said. Bale is all about brawn and ball striking.
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After his last 2 years, are there really people who insist on this Bale is limited track? How many times over his career has Bale been criticised for being a one trick pony or limited only to show yet another skillset afterwards?
 
africanspur said:
After his last 2 years, are there really people who insist on this Bale is limited track? How many times over his career has Bale been criticised for being a one trick pony or limited only to show yet another skillset afterwards?
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In comparison to the trickier players in the game then yes, he's limited. Although I'm not sure that's exactly the right word, as he has a skill set that very, very few can match, so he isn't limited at all.

However, it isn't twisting the truth to suggest that the vast majority of Bale's success has come from busting down the pitch due to his athleticism and smashing in long-rangers due to his ball striking. He certainly hasn't been jinking in between 3 and 4 defenders with outrageous pieces of skill.
 
Hectic said:
I don't think Bale will outperform him, he looks a better player, although right now Bale has a fantastic return.



There are plenty of players who have had a better season so far in La Liga than Ronaldo? What? He has 17 goals in 14 league games. Lopez has been equally important to their victories? Ronaldo has scored the same amount of goals by himself that Lopez has conceeded.
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First of all that post is dated November 4th, at which point in time Cristiano had only for the first time until then had two great games in succession in La Liga (which is also when RM really started clicking, ie. v Sevilla and Rayo). Before that it was all fairly inconsistent in terms of performances (Diego López def. averted a defeat to Villarreal; he also saved them on multiple tight occasions v Betis, Elche and in the 2nd half Rayo onslaught) and they had just lost twice in the space of four matchdays (v Atlético and Barça) with some very unconvincing outings by Cristiano, whilst conversely he was blowing the CL away no prob. Once Bale started clicking with the team is really when the goalscoring run in La Liga started... which is right after their defeat to Barça with that crazy 7-3 win v Sevilla. At that moment, Cristiano was on 8 goals in 10 league games (Diego Costa was on 11 in 10 and even an unfit Messi on 8 in 8), from the Sevilla game onward he's added 9 goals in 4 games (with Bale getting 6 goals and 6 assists in 5 games since).

If he continues his current form/performances for a few more games then he will likely surpass Diego Costa and Koke's achievements up until now, but at the moment I don't see it being so clear cut, especially not with Atlético level on points with Barça and 3pts ahead of RM, having beaten them at the Bernábeu with stand-out performances from the two of them as opposed to an anonymous Cristiano...

Right now, I'd still put Diego Costa and Koke slightly ahead of Cristiano... then a bit of a gap, the next best ones probably Valdés, Rakitic, Cani, Bruno Soriano, Bale, Gabi, Filipe Luís, Griezmann, Modric and maybe Neymar and Alexis Sánchez. Diego López has tailed off but was incredibly important in the first 10 Jornadas, before RM's offense really got flowing. Don't really know how to rate Messi at this time, he was excellent before his injury at Almería (September 28th), after returning from that he hardly ever looked fully fit and only had 2 noteworthy games, both v Milan in the CL, until he eventually reinjured himself a month ago.
 
Mockney said:
Hype hype hype hype hype hype hype.
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You seem to be letting his extremely frustrating playacting stopping you from appreciating his football. He played amazing, got 3 goals and one assist in the CL against a team they have got only 4 goals from 3 games previously. He is a top top player at 21, and to say he is being outperformed by Bale is pretty off the mark too. He shone in the El Classico, was the best player in the game and got a nice goal to cap it off; he has scored a hat trick in the CL, and has got nearly 20 Goals and assists. Not taking anything away from Bale, but his most significant contribution has been the hat trick against a relegation team, and does possess similar stats.
 
Red Shorts said:
You seem to be letting his extremely frustrating playacting stopping you from appreciating his football. He played amazing, got 3 goals and one assist in the CL against a team they have got only 4 goals from 3 games previously. He is a top top player at 21, and to say he is being outperformed by Bale is pretty off the mark too. He shone in the El Classico, was the best player in the game and got a nice goal to cap it off; he has scored a hat trick in the CL, and has got nearly 20 Goals and assists. Not taking anything away from Bale, but his most significant contribution has been the hat trick against a relegation team, and does possess similar stats.
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I would have pointed that out but sixpence would have been raging.
 
Mockney said:
Sky Sports gimpage-a-trois were nauseatingly wanking over a perfectly average 3rd goal where he went past one player and got lucky even doing that. Typical Neymar hype bullshit.

2nd goal was good. Celtic are shite. Bale will outperform him.
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Arent you the poster who had a mental rant about Neymar when he was performing relatively well for Brazail during this year's confed cup?

If so, this explains everything. For someone so logically thorough as yourself, it's surprising you've let irrational dislike affect you this much. I guess you really really detest him
 
I'm fairly disappointed in Mockney, not that he'll give a toss. Generally my favourite poster by a mile but just way, way off in this instance.
 
I think you're all taking him a bit too seriously.
 
BAMSOLA said:
Well that was underwhelming............
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Its a very hard skill to pull off..

He's done a similar one in match conditions but the other way..



If that was Januzaj doing it, there'd be endless Jizz.
 
GledTheRed said:
Its piss to pull off, can do it myself.
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Well done on achieving that, I consider myself a tricky dribbler but I find the second one in match conditions ridiculous.. I haven't seen such skill from the likes of Messi/Ronaldo, but obviously your genius hasn't yet been recognised.
 
Raees said:
Its a very hard skill to pull off..

He's done a similar one in match conditions but the other way..



If that was Januzaj doing it, there'd be endless Jizz.
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I wouldn't be one of those Jizzing, I'll save my Jizz for more worthy causes.

GledTheRed said:
Its piss to pull off, can do it myself.
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As can I, its simply about positioning your foot in the correct way to do the flick and then body positioning to retain possession. Its really not that hard or impressive.
 
Snipers Breath said:
What, because they can shoot from long distances?

Messis all round game is far superior to the both of them.
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:lol:

They're both physically superior than they're Barca counterparts. They can score from distance, and Ronaldo is an absolute beast in the air. But there's no point trying to argue with Messi/Barca fanboys.
 
You don't have to be a fanboii to recognise that Messi is a superior player to anyone, including Ronaldo. The rest of the world agrees, it seems to be United and Real fans who think otherwise.

Anyhow, back to Neymar.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
You don't have to be a fanboii to recognise that Messi is a superior player to anyone, including Ronaldo. The rest of the world agrees, it seems to be United and Real fans who think otherwise.

Anyhow, back to Neymar.
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It was whether Messi + Neymar are better than Ronaldo + Bale that led to the responses.
Right now, I'd say Bale + Ronaldo are better. I'd even say that if Messi had been fit, which he hasn't been for most of this year.
In the future, Neymar's got more potential than Bale, and Messi will get fit again - so I would guess Messi + Neymar will win the argument in the future. Maybe even this season. Maybe.

Of course, if you're talking in the abstract about who's best on some galactico worthiness scale then yeah, maybe for you Messi's team always wins.
 
jojojo said:
It was whether Messi + Neymar are better than Ronaldo + Bale that led to the responses.
Right now, I'd say Bale + Ronaldo are better. I'd even say that if Messi had been fit, which he hasn't been for most of this year.
In the future, Neymar's got more potential than Bale, and Messi will get fit again - so I would guess Messi + Neymar will win the argument in the future. Maybe even this season. Maybe.

Of course, if you're talking in the abstract about who's best on some galactico worthiness scale then yeah, maybe for you Messi's team always wins.
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Maybe I missunderstand your comment, but aren't you basically saying that Bale had a bigger impact at Real than Neymar at Barca? I haven't watched that many Real and Barca games this season, so I might be wrong, but I'm seriously impressed with Neymar especially with Messi missing for quite a few games. And Neymar also had a strong year for the nationalteam. I don't care at all about the comparison between both pairs, just curious about how you'd judge Neymar for Barca so far?
 
Balu said:
Maybe I missunderstand your comment, but aren't you basically saying that Bale had a bigger impact at Real than Neymar at Barca? I haven't watched that many Real and Barca games this season, so I might be wrong, but I'm seriously impressed with Neymar especially with Messi missing for quite a few games. And Neymar also had a strong year for the nationalteam. I don't care at all about the comparison between both pairs, just curious about how you'd judge Neymar for Barca so far?
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They've both started better than I expected. Barca handled Neymar's introduction very well, not rushing things, but he didn't actually do much of note while Messi was playing, though you could see he's got a lot of talent. He's done well without Messi, except from in the games when Barca as a whole have played badly, and he did very little.

Bale's been in and out of the injury room since he arrived, but I've been surprised by how well he has played when he has appeared. In particular, I think he's fitted in alongside Ronaldo better than most people expected.

That said, I think there's a lot more to come from Neymar, and certainly a lot more to come from Neymar + Messi.

As for Bale and the Ronaldo + Bale combination. I don't see them improving much, but Bale could certainly prove me wrong, particularly if Madrid sort out the overal balance of the team.
 
Thanks, pretty similar to my impression of both players. Should be interesting how things go in the second half of the season and what impact Neymar and Bale will have in the knockout stages of the CL.
 
jojojo said:
They've both started better than I expected. Barca handled Neymar's introduction very well, not rushing things, but he didn't actually do much of note while Messi was playing, though you could see he's got a lot of talent. He's done well without Messi, except from in the games when Barca as a whole have played badly, and he did very little.

Bale's been in and out of the injury room since he arrived, but I've been surprised by how well he has played when he has appeared. In particular, I think he's fitted in alongside Ronaldo better than most people expected.

That said, I think there's a lot more to come from Neymar, and certainly a lot more to come from Neymar + Messi.

As for Bale and the Ronaldo + Bale combination. I don't see them improving much, but Bale could certainly prove me wrong, particularly if Madrid sort out the overal balance of the team.
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I agree with this, can't believe some people argued that he outshone Messi in the first few months, and some even said that he was clearly Barca's best player in that time. :wenger:

To be honest, I think he was closer to average than brilliant, upgrade on Pedro's/Villa's form from last season(which isn't saying too much), but far from Villa's and Pedro's best form from few years ago. Only thing that surprised me was his workrate, I never expected he would be willing to do that much of a pressing and playing defence, because he rarely did that while playing for Santos, at least not that I recall.
I think expectations have lowered before his arrival to Europe because of the likes of Robinho and other Brazillians who didn't fullfil their potential, so people are now more carefull with new young stars coming from Brazil, and aren't expecting too much. But still, if you are paying 50+(we will never know the exact price, right?) millions for the player, you should definitely expect better from him. It's still early, I am not saying he was poor or anything like that, because he did fine, but I don't think he was great as some people are making it out.
 
So hows this going to be sorted
A case relating to a complaint regarding the striker's summer switch to Camp Nou will continue after the prosecutor flagged up irregularities in the deal
Barcelona president Sandro Rosell could find himself in court after a criminal case investigating the signing of Neymar from Santos in the summer revealed the Brazilian's contract may be fake.

The Spanish club were forced to hand over a dossier detailing the financial elements of the attacker's €57.1 million move, after club socio Jordi Cases made an official complaint last year.

Rosell had hoped the complaint would be thrown out, but the investigation has flagged up irregularities in the deal and the Attorney General of the National High Court has requested further contractual documents as the case continues.

Presecutor Jose Perals has asked for all the relevant documentation in the transfer and could call upon Barca auditors to provide evidence in the investigation, which is looking to establish the whereabouts of the €40 million not received by Santos (with the Brazilian side receiving €17.1m in their share of the deal).

"The contracts that have been signed between the parties do not, at times, correspond to that which is specified within them," the prosecutor's report revealed on Friday, adding that "the contracts signed may have been faked to alter the concept of the payments."

Barca maintain they have done nothing wrong in the transfer, although the Catalan club have been unable to specify exactly who received what due to a confidentiality agreement.

Meanwhile, one of the third-party owners, supermarket group DIS, claim they received only a small percentage of what they were owed as their part of the deal.
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